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SIA Not In The Market For Long-range Planes  
User currently offlineSingaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10650 times:

http://www.straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/sub/world/story/0,5562,301168,00.html?

[Edited 2005-02-17 21:12:44]


Ladies & Gentlemen, we will now demonstrate the use of the safety equipment on this aircraft...
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User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

Is this wishfull thinking, a prayer or what? SIA who was the first to start 18 hours nonstop services. I really do understand if the crew wishes SIA not to be the market for LR planes.

Regards,
LordHowe



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10432 times:
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Try http://www.straitstimes.asia1.com.sg.../world/story/0,5562,301168,00.html for those too lazy to cut & paste!


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

...now how about posting the highlights for those who don't wanna register with some lame site for a 1time-only patronage?  Big grin

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10239 times:

Ruh roh....so if SQ is not buying the 772LR anytime soon...who is?


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User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10192 times:

PK is.

First 772LR will be delivered to them and deployed on the Houston-Karachi route.



"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Is it me, or do I notice a slight anti-Boeing tinge in the SQ comments lately. "They would rather abuse the 380 than buy new 747" "787 not economical enough" now this comment just days after the 777-200LR is introduced?

Something seems to be wrong with this relationship, or maybe they are negotiating in public. Hope it's the latter.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9863 times:

Well they did just order a bunch of 773ERs. There is only so much SG can buy. It's better for them to be careful, because they don't know how the market is going to develop in the next few decades.


ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3244 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9718 times:

Quoting Singaporegirl (reply 4):
Mr Forshaw said: 'We're not currently in the market for long-range aircraft, but we're sure when we are, Boeing will put their views to us about its suitability for operations.

It'll come down to what we're looking for and what financial criteria the manufacturers offer us.'


I read the above as "We are currently not iterested in acquiring new long-range aircraft, however it's likely that in the future we will be looking at the B772LR. Boeing please please please do us a really good deal." Anyone else?

Tony



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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9574 times:

As SQ already have the 777 200 and 300, why would they need the 200LR? Its just the same plane with 50 less seats. Nothing new here. The A380 and 747X is.

User currently offlinePyroGX41487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9412 times:

WOO! I'm glad the speculated B772LR customer won't pull another A340-300!!!

User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9347 times:

Boeing please please please do us a really good deal." Anyone else?
What i thought from the start.

Its just the same plane with 50 less seats.
Where have you been since forever??
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1959053/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1962693/



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User currently offlinePyroGX41487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

This is still great news for Airbus that their cheaper-to-buy plane isn't going the way of the A340-300 anytime soon. Should put all the A340-500 bashers on this forum into a tizzy Big grin


Long live the A345!


User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

Quoting Greaser (reply 13):
Boeing please please please do us a really good deal." Anyone else?
What i thought from the start.


Or you just don't want to believe it...



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3244 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Quoting A319114 (reply 15):
Or you just don't want to believe it...


Please read reply #4 and tell me where in it it says that SQ will never ever ever consider the B777-200LR. On the contrary, the phrase:

but we're sure when we are, Boeing will put their views to us about its suitability for operations.

reads to me as if they are leaving the door open for Boeing.

One thing seems sure: SQ will not be buying the B777-200LR any time soon. But don't discount an order some time in the future...

Tony

PS Also notice that it says when we are..., not if we are....

[Edited 2005-02-18 15:14:51]


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9049 times:

Quoting SNATH (reply 10):
I read the above as "We are currently not iterested in acquiring new long-range aircraft, however it's likely that in the future we will be looking at the B772LR. Boeing please please please do us a really good deal." Anyone else?


SQ always keeps its options open. However, parsing Mr. Forshaw's words to divine serious interest in a future order is a tricky business indeed; hardly a solid first step towards selling 500 772LRs over the next twenty years.

What I find truly interesting about the article is that its "spin" is real concern about the negative impact of ultra long range aircraft in general upon the paradigm of the Changi hub.


User currently offlineSingaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8568 times:

when i first saw this article, i was quite shocked actually. first, we're not getting the 787s, no 747advs (well i wasn't surprised at all about that one), then no 777lrs either (some pax request f class cabin on our sin/lax & sin/ewr legs on our 345s). a lot of people here on a.net, assumed that it was a matter of 'when' not 'if' sq is going to order the 772lr. it's an interesting development indeed.


Ladies & Gentlemen, we will now demonstrate the use of the safety equipment on this aircraft...
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

I don't think SQ will buy the 777-200LR.

The reason is simple: Singapore's geographic location does not warrant the need for such a plane. The 777-300ER can easily reach most of Europe from SIN, and is easily within range of a SIN-SYD flight. Besides, SQ's longest routes are already well-covered by the A340-500 anyway.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

"SQ really needs and wants this plane in their fleet and will lead the way to market acceptance."

I think SQ DOES need AND want this plane...but not at the current price.

"Besides, SQ's longest routes are already well-covered by the A340-500 anyway.
"

It is without question that the 772LR would cover it far better than the 345--and it would do it WITH first class AND a reasonable cargo payload. I'm almost positive that the added value of first class and extra cargo does not outweigh the added expense of a 77-200LR fleet replacement right now.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8368 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8217 times:

The A345 and First Class are not mutually exclusive. It just so happens that SQ chose not to have First Class on the A345's. If anything, not having first class adds weight, 'cause you have more seats and more luggage to carry.
A bunch of their 777's also don't have First Class. In either case it's not an aircraft issue, it's a business choice.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8213 times:
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I think SQ is still smarting from being launch customer for the A345, and having to deal with introductory teething problems.

Therefore they'll now let PIA and EVA have all the hassles and bugs to work out on the 772LR, and then when the aircraft is considered mature (and have lived up to the HUGE expectations) then SQ will order some.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

Regarding customers for the 777LR:

"The first 777-200LR Worldliner is to be delivered to Pakistan International Airlines in January 2006. EVA Airways is also a launch customer." -Boeing



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User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Am I correct in interpreting this as an unequivocal indication that SQ will NOT be getting rid of the A345s, per earlier discussions on A.net?

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

"In either case it's not an aircraft issue, it's a business choice"

It WAS an aircraft issue; SQ's first class seats were too heavy for the aircraft and would have infringed on the payload and/or range capabilities. Do you honestly think SQ chose not to put its premier service on its premier routes which are the longest in the world??



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

Quoting Gnomon (reply 23):
Am I correct in interpreting this as an unequivocal indication that ...


The only thing with 100% conviction you can interpret from the above is that people have a Post Message button.  Smile



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25 Col : Would not be surprised to see some of those 773ER options being 772LR in a few years. It will be a shame for the PAX to change out the 345, by the 777
26 ConcordeBoy : Nope. Just that a replacement or matching order isn't imminent.
27 TeamREGAL : Singaporegirl, are you flight crew for the A345? and if so what do you think of the aircraft?
28 Singaporegirl : yes, i'm a cabin crew for the 345s. generally i like the aircraft very much, definitely a better aeroplane compared to our old 343s. my favourite thin
29 A319114 : Well yes that may be partly correct but that doesn't justify replacing relatively very new planes by an other, even more expensive airplane.
30 ConcordeBoy : (Recent) history tells a completely different story...
31 Aaflt1871 : I really feel Boeing came to SQ with an offer, not to SQ's liking, maybe they refused to take the A345's in trade as they did with the A343's, or mayb
32 Post contains images Leelaw : I'm not sure I understand your point...isn't that exactly what MaverickM11 said?
33 Avek00 : HA-ha! You're trying so hard to downplay the fact that you have egg on your face right now ConcordeBoy - you practically swore that SQ would be announ
34 M27 : ". SQ knows how to play the game, and Boeing will give in to their demands, whatever they may be." Disagree with that part. Boeing has as much time as
35 SNATH : Oh, yes. Boeing will do everything possible to get this deal. Selling a product is one thing. Selling it to replace your competitor's product, in suc
36 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I never once said that, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. What I did say is that it's only a matter of "when" not "if" SQ orders the aircraft,
37 AeroWesty : LOL, did anyone read the article? Quoting the article: "He said SIA was aware of the development of the 777-200LR, but did not assess it." Does "did
38 Leelaw : Yet another ostensibly pithy platituide to rationalize disappointing historical sales results and disquieting sales prospects. Live in hope, die in d
39 Airbazar : (Recent) history tells a completely different story... No it doesn't. One thing is SQ replacing its own planes. Another completely different thing is
40 AAFLT1871 : My point exactly. What better for Boeing to sell their Long Range aircraft to an Airbus customer. And considering the amount of 777's they operate, a
41 LordHowe : Singaporegirl, I really do admire you and your collegues! You never look tired and you allways seem to be happy serving all your passengers. That's gr
42 Docpepz : Yes Singaporegirl I thought I'd thank you for posting this thread! I've flown in the past half a year to Beijing, KL, Jakarta, Adelaide, Bangkok in Y
43 Jacobin777 : what kind of asinine, rubbish, and vacuous flaming comment was that? Do you have ANY clue about PK and Pakistan? Too bad there isn't a "disrespected"
44 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : One aimed solely as a swipe at me for my love for the 777 family vis-a-vis my disdain for Arab/Islamic/MidEastern cultures in general. Nothing more,
45 VS11 : It is SQ's strategy to operate young aircraft, average age around 5 years so it is very likely that in the not too distant future they will be replaci
46 Ex_SQer : He said SIA was aware of the development of the 777-200LR, but did not assess it. Yeah right. What widebody does SIA NOT assess? If this press release
47 Leelaw : Interesting. Are depreciating assets like used airplanes typically sold for more than their adjusted tax basis (purchase price less accumulated depre
48 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...um, exactly what is there for them to tangible assess at this point?
49 Leelaw : Please define "tangible assess?"
50 Leelaw : Thanx. Perhaps you can flesh out the point you were making in reply #49, the sound bite version isn't clear?
51 Aerorobnz : The proverbial spanner in the works you might say... is the 772LR the next MD11? SQ mortally wounded the M11 passenger project by cancelling their ord
52 Post contains links and images VS11 : Here is a link to a short piece I found on taxation in Singapore. http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~yuenck/tax I am not familiar with the details. I just r
53 MaverickM11 : "Have you wondered why they have so many types in their fleet?" You mean a whopping *3* types (not variants)?
54 VS11 : I meant both, actually.
55 Post contains images TeamREGAL : Singaporegirl: Nooo problem...anytime! It's always great to hear personal insight from cabin crew. I've always believed that one of the best ways to j
56 Lutfi : Leelaw - Yes (by SQ) SQ has a very aggressive depreciation schedule, depreciating aircraft faster than the drop in market value. Thus, when it sells t
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