Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 41 Posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3060 times:
Dear all,
when will AA start a DFW-BOG run?
In my opinion they can fill up without a problem a daily flight on this routing!
They have very good international connections from DFW.
NikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3004 times:
DFW-BOG is in the works, just may take a while to get the necessary approvals,etc.. DFW is going to start getting it's fair share of international flights over the next year or two. Mexico and deep Latin America will be the big ones, with asia and canada getting a little here and there as well.
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4279 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2980 times:
Actually, CO only manages to get 69% load factors on the BOG-IAH route with a 737-700. AA´s smallest aircraft capable of flying it would be the 738, and I dont see it easy to split the market, maybe AA being the looser. And regarding Europe connections, people are NOT using Us airlines anymore, as we have quite a decent service to the old continent and the transit visas.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 41 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2971 times:
AA serves also daily CCS with 737, why should they not fill up a daily 737?
alternativ conection to europe, and also better conection to the west of the us...
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4279 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2934 times:
CCS has more demand than BOG, maybe more Venezuelans are living in Dallas. People already have well advertised and cheap Delta for West US and about the europe connections, dont think it will be more than 4 pax per flight.
Its a very unpredictable market.
757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
69% is a really good load, specially if there are good yields and not everybody is flying by the miles or something else.
I read some press release of Continental when they were celebrating the 10th contiuous year of operations in Colombia and they were quite happy with both the routes they have here (BOG - EWR and BOG - IAH).
There are drawbacks of course, but I wouldn't think AA wouldn't start DFW -BOG if it was to happen just because CO "only" has 69% of loads to IAH, it's a very different thing.
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Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 41 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2901 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (reply 8): . People already have well advertised and cheap Delta for West US and about the europe connections, dont think it will be more than 4 pax per flight.
AA is doing very well with the Colombian market, and people looking for alternatives, AA could do very well on the market between Colombia and California conecting through DFW hub. Also direct market DFW-BOG is so small.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 41 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2843 times:
yes you are correct including codeshare in winter they serve more destinations from MIA, but DFW - LGW is double daily (to LGW due too Bermuda II) Helsenki is not a year arround flight, and DFW is also linked with asia key-market NRT.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2836 times:
Quoting Avianca (reply 13): yes you are correct including codeshare in winter they serve more destinations from MIA, but DFW - LGW is double daily (to LGW due too Bermuda II)
So what if DFW-LGW is double daily (MIA-LHR is double daily on weekends, and BA offers double daily MIA-LHR, and triple daily on certain days)? That doesn't change the fact that it is easier to connect to London via Miami, and that Miami offers connections to Heathrow, as opposed to Gatwick.
Quote: and DFW is also linked with asia key-market NRT.
I doubt there is that much BOG-NRT traffic.
BOG-DFW just doesn't have that big of a market for AA to fly it. AA had looked into it in the past, but the BOG market isn't strong enough. Maybe in the future.
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2809 times:
Quoting Avianca (reply 15): as mentioned before the flight could be filled up with the colombia-california market
It would be very nice if you informed us on what info are you basing your statement.
Avianca, for example, failed in LAX, even routing through MEX. AV already codeshares with DL on both the BOG-ATL and ATL-LAX routes, and if that isn't enough, AV also codehsares with both AV and TA to their respective hubs, from where reaching LAX is just one step away.
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4279 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
AA is doing good in Colombia b/c there is HUGE O/D pax for MIA. Very few people use AA for connections. BOG-DFW would only be good for connections, and as I said, we already have Delta (cheap) and Air Canada, Taca, Copa.....
Pax from BOG to NRT........not much, not to fill a daily 738 from BOG to DFW, as most transit via Europe which is faster.
A300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
There were plans to launch that service before Sep 11, using a daily 757.
Then rumors came that the flight will make a stop in PTY, but never worked.
Instead of that the 3rd daily flight to MIA will be permanent from June 10.
So BOG will have almost the same seats , prior to Sep 11.
Regards
Crew
757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
I don't think Avianca failed at LAX because there was no demand, because I'm almost sure there is. High fares could be just one of the factors, and well, Mexican authorities didn't help much with the freedom rights either.
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Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 41 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (reply 16): It would be very nice if you informed us on what info are you basing your statement.
Avianca, for example, failed in LAX, even routing through MEX. AV already codeshares with DL on both the BOG-ATL and ATL-LAX routes, and if that isn't enough, AV also codehsares with both AV and TA to their respective hubs, from where reaching LAX is just one step away.
I am talking that there is demand for the colombian - california sector. Alone LAX area has more than 100.000 colombians + San Franciso market.....
A conecting through a AA hub is a different storry than direct flights from Colombia to LAX with B707, B757 or B767.
Quoting RCS763AV (reply 17): AA is doing good in Colombia b/c there is HUGE O/D pax for MIA. Very few people use AA for connections. BOG-DFW would only be good for connections, and as I said, we already have Delta (cheap) and Air Canada, Taca, Copa.....
intresting where you from have this details, because this is totally nonsence. Yes the MIA market is a big market for O/D to colombia, but the flights are also good booked with transit passengers to other AA destinations in NorthAmerica, Europe and Asia.
Quoting RCS763AV (reply 17): Pax from BOG to NRT........not much, not to fill a daily 738 from BOG to DFW, as most transit via Europe which is faster.
have never say there is enough demand from BOG to NRT too fill a daily 738. By the way transit via Europe is not faster, of course not so complicate but not faster, please calculate, a 10 hour flight from colombia to europe + 12 hours europe - japan, via US is faster.
we are talking about a B738 from BOG to DFW, for passengers of the local colombian / texas O/D market, + transfer passengers to west us + asia + europe and also mid-west destinations in the us.
NikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Local DFW area floral distributors have guaranted AA 6 to 8,000lbs of fresh cut flowers daily on a inbound BOG-DFW flight. With AA/AE adding close to 200 more DFW flights, DFW-BOG will work
I am talking that there is demand for the colombian - california sector. Alone LAX area has more than 100.000 colombians + San Franciso market.....
A conecting through a AA hub is a different storry than direct flights from Colombia to LAX with B707, B757 or B767.
Connect via MIA. BOG-LAX via DFW is not singificantly quicker than via MIA. The difference in flight time would be less than an hour.
Quoting Avianca (reply 20): intresting where you from have this details, because this is totally nonsence. Yes the MIA market is a big market for O/D to colombia, but the flights are also good booked with transit passengers to other AA destinations in NorthAmerica, Europe and Asia.
AA's Colombia flights have a much higher proportion of O&D compared to many other cities.
Quoting Avianca (reply 20):
we are talking about a B738 from BOG to DFW, for passengers of the local colombian / texas O/D market, + transfer passengers to west us + asia + europe and also mid-west destinations in the us.
There is barely a market for passengers between Colombia, Texas, and the US Midwest. The market is mainly along the Eastern seaboard.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 41 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (reply 22): There is barely a market for passengers between Colombia, Texas, and the US Midwest. The market is mainly along the Eastern seaboard.
why? Colombians are living across the US from East to West coast from North to South, your post is 20 years too late.
citys like chicago, lax have colombian comuntiys with over 100.000 people, also other citys like SFO, PHX .... have not realy small colombian population not that big as LAX and CHI but they have.
in the last 5 years immigrate more than 1 million of colombians in the us, and for sure they are all not arround south florida...
25 757MDE: AV is the only one from JFK but CO flies from EWR also.
26 MAH4546: The Colombian community in Chicago is not 100,000 people. It is quite small, actually, and I doubt that LA's Colombian community is that large either
27 AirStatDFW: AA is going to 3X daily and with BA that will be 4X daily flights between DFW-LGW.
28 RCS763AV: The people that emigrated to the LA area did it in the 1970s-80s. Theyir sons and daughters are already american and they dont have much interest in c
29 Avianca: yes this 2 areas have really very large communities, but like from 500.000 to 1 million Atlanta for example has not 30.000, it has like 100.000 also
30 MAH4546: No, they don't. Atlanta's Colombian community is not six digits large. You will not find them. Miami/Fort Lauderdale's Colombian community is the lar
31 Avianca: and where is living the more than 1 million of colombians that immigrates the last 5 years? maybe in Alaska? Come on 130000 in SouthFlorida, Colombia
32 MAH4546: You are correct, that figure is too small. But I didn't forget a "0". The actual number is closer to a quarter of a million.
33 NYCAAer: Flyguy1, AA operated JFK-BOG in the early '90s with a 763 and later with a 752, but it was highly unprofitable. The flight would go out with only arou
34 SOUTHAMERICA: It is noticeable that DL codeshares with AV on the BOG-JFK-BOG and CLO-MDE-JFK-MDE-CLO routes. AV serves JFK from 3 different Colombian cities, among
35 RCS763AV: Actually, yes there must be about a million Colombians in South Florida. Also, there are about 400.000 in NY and like 70.000 in Boston, dont know abou
36 MAH4546: There are not 1,000,000 Colombians in South Florida. There are just over a 1,000,000 Cubans, and they are by far our largest immigrant group: Miami H
37 Avianca: and why nearly 75 percent of the population south floridas are spanish native speakers? for sure a huge amount have the US passport but they are colo
38 MAH4546: Firstly, 75% of South Florida's population is not native Spanish speaker. The number is closer to 65% of Miami-Dade's population, and about 50% of So
39 Bogota: Out of the five million Colombians living abroad 39.09% live in the US, 48.09% live in Venezuela and 9.12% in Spain. That means that around 2 million
40 A300AA: Yes I think we are a lot of people living outside of the country, but not that much, its not more than 600 000 in Dade county, and less in Broward. Th
41 Avianca: very intresting post, Bogota dou you know if this 5 millions are only the colombians with still colombian documents, or also including the many colom
42 Klwright69: It is CO's 10th anniversary to BOG? How cool! it brings back memories! I remember flying IAH-BOG just a couple weeks after it started. I took it again
43 RCS763AV: Yes, EWR-BOG had 72% load factors in 2004.
44 MAH4546: Okay, that's fine. Ignore what the Official 2000 US Census says, and instead, believe what a poster on Airliners.net says.
45 Klwright69: Oh, and in the Avianca-MAH4546 debate, MAH is the correct one.
46 Avianca: ok please let me know where I can find the Offical 2000 US Census, are the colombian with US documents and also the illegals borne in mind? I have Co
48 SFOMEX: C'mon guys, cool down! During my years living at the San Francisco's Bay Area I had the chance to meet the Colombian consul in the city. She was a fri
49 Bogota: This figure includes all Colombians, legal, illegal, residents abroad and dual citizens of another country. And just for MAH4546, first that census is
50 RCS763AV: OK i have just suggested deletion. What an airheaded, ignorant, typical stupid gringo post. It would be great if AA started BOG-ORD. There are way mo
51 CORULEZ05: @RCS......it was a joke.....geeze....you people are soooooooooo uptight....Letterman joked about it awhile back if I remember correctly...get over it.
52 NoMoreRjs: Here is some information on Latin populations in the US. http://web.gc.cuny.edu/lastudies/Latinodatabases.htm
53 RCS763AV: No were not getting over it until you stop mocking and discriminating us! You dont know what its like to have a Colombian passport in a US airport. An
54 Bongo: There's a nice tool, free for all, called "spell check" right next to the "Post the Message" !!
55 Avianca: yes the spelling, but not the gramma and maybe false words that where used...
56 Incitatus: Yes but incoming international flights to Dallas are a breeze compared to Miami. A visitor can easily spend 60 minutes in line at MIA immigration to
57 MAH4546: Houston more so than Dallas, which is why Continental has expressed interest in starting service to Medellin. Even so, Colombia/Medellin's oil indust
58 RCS763AV: Colombia is not a big producers, we wont be able to use our own oil in 5 years, as we will have to start importing. Were really dry. BTW: Im back from
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