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When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Dear all,

when will AA start a DFW-BOG run?
In my opinion they can fill up without a problem a daily flight on this routing!
They have very good international connections from DFW.

regards
Avianca


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

MIA would be the better port relevant to the concern of int'l connections.

DFW for domestic.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

to witch international citys they have better conections from MIA?

Europe DFW is better conected as MIA, MIA has only good conections to LatinAmerica...

regards
Avianca

[Edited 2005-02-17 23:16:49]


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

...English please  Confused

User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

DFW-BOG is in the works, just may take a while to get the necessary approvals,etc.. DFW is going to start getting it's fair share of international flights over the next year or two. Mexico and deep Latin America will be the big ones, with asia and canada getting a little here and there as well.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (reply 3):


I am sorry, unfotunatly English is not my motherlanguage...



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User currently onlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Actually, CO only manages to get 69% load factors on the BOG-IAH route with a 737-700. AA´s smallest aircraft capable of flying it would be the 738, and I dont see it easy to split the market, maybe AA being the looser. And regarding Europe connections, people are NOT using Us airlines anymore, as we have quite a decent service to the old continent and the transit visas.

[Edited 2005-02-17 23:30:57]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

AA serves also daily CCS with 737, why should they not fill up a daily 737?
alternativ conection to europe, and also better conection to the west of the us...

regards
Avianca



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User currently onlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

CCS has more demand than BOG, maybe more Venezuelans are living in Dallas. People already have well advertised and cheap Delta for West US and about the europe connections, dont think it will be more than 4 pax per flight.
Its a very unpredictable market.



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

CC Boy,

Relax, English is not his native tongue!! Give him a break. This is not just an American board.

As for the topic at hand, AA should be very careful...



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

69% is a really good load, specially if there are good yields and not everybody is flying by the miles or something else.
I read some press release of Continental when they were celebrating the 10th contiuous year of operations in Colombia and they were quite happy with both the routes they have here (BOG - EWR and BOG - IAH).
There are drawbacks of course, but I wouldn't think AA wouldn't start DFW -BOG if it was to happen just because CO "only" has 69% of loads to IAH, it's a very different thing.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 8):
. People already have well advertised and cheap Delta for West US and about the europe connections, dont think it will be more than 4 pax per flight.


AA is doing very well with the Colombian market, and people looking for alternatives, AA could do very well on the market between Colombia and California conecting through DFW hub. Also direct market DFW-BOG is so small.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting Avianca (reply 2):
to witch international citys they have better conections from MIA?

Europe DFW is better conected as MIA, MIA has only good conections to LatinAmerica...


Incorrect.

From MIA, AA offers connections (including codeshares) to six European cities: Helsinki, London (Heathrow), Madrid, Manchester, Paris, and Zurich

From DFW, they offer connections to four cities, Frankfurt, London (Gatwick), Paris, and Zurich.

LHR and MAD are by far the most important connecting trans-Atlantic routes, and neither is served from Dallas.



a.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

yes you are correct including codeshare in winter they serve more destinations from MIA, but DFW - LGW is double daily (to LGW due too Bermuda II) Helsenki is not a year arround flight, and DFW is also linked with asia key-market NRT.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Quoting Avianca (reply 13):
yes you are correct including codeshare in winter they serve more destinations from MIA, but DFW - LGW is double daily (to LGW due too Bermuda II)


So what if DFW-LGW is double daily (MIA-LHR is double daily on weekends, and BA offers double daily MIA-LHR, and triple daily on certain days)? That doesn't change the fact that it is easier to connect to London via Miami, and that Miami offers connections to Heathrow, as opposed to Gatwick.

Quote:
and DFW is also linked with asia key-market NRT.


I doubt there is that much BOG-NRT traffic.

BOG-DFW just doesn't have that big of a market for AA to fly it. AA had looked into it in the past, but the BOG market isn't strong enough. Maybe in the future.



a.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

I agree to you that including code-share mia is stronger


Quoting MAH4546 (reply 14):
I doubt there is that much BOG-NRT traffic.


of course it is not the biggest market, but for sure not a zero market, there are enought japanese companys investing money in colombia....

as mentioned before the flight could be filled up with the colombia-california market ....

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

Quoting Avianca (reply 15):
as mentioned before the flight could be filled up with the colombia-california market



It would be very nice if you informed us on what info are you basing your statement.

Avianca, for example, failed in LAX, even routing through MEX. AV already codeshares with DL on both the BOG-ATL and ATL-LAX routes, and if that isn't enough, AV also codehsares with both AV and TA to their respective hubs, from where reaching LAX is just one step away.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently onlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

AA is doing good in Colombia b/c there is HUGE O/D pax for MIA. Very few people use AA for connections. BOG-DFW would only be good for connections, and as I said, we already have Delta (cheap) and Air Canada, Taca, Copa.....


Pax from BOG to NRT........not much, not to fill a daily 738 from BOG to DFW, as most transit via Europe which is faster.



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User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

There were plans to launch that service before Sep 11, using a daily 757.
Then rumors came that the flight will make a stop in PTY, but never worked.
Instead of that the 3rd daily flight to MIA will be permanent from June 10.
So BOG will have almost the same seats , prior to Sep 11.
Regards
Crew


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

I don't think Avianca failed at LAX because there was no demand, because I'm almost sure there is. High fares could be just one of the factors, and well, Mexican authorities didn't help much with the freedom rights either.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (reply 16):
It would be very nice if you informed us on what info are you basing your statement.

Avianca, for example, failed in LAX, even routing through MEX. AV already codeshares with DL on both the BOG-ATL and ATL-LAX routes, and if that isn't enough, AV also codehsares with both AV and TA to their respective hubs, from where reaching LAX is just one step away.


I am talking that there is demand for the colombian - california sector. Alone LAX area has more than 100.000 colombians + San Franciso market.....
A conecting through a AA hub is a different storry than direct flights from Colombia to LAX with B707, B757 or B767.





Quoting RCS763AV (reply 17):
AA is doing good in Colombia b/c there is HUGE O/D pax for MIA. Very few people use AA for connections. BOG-DFW would only be good for connections, and as I said, we already have Delta (cheap) and Air Canada, Taca, Copa.....


intresting where you from have this details, because this is totally nonsence. Yes the MIA market is a big market for O/D to colombia, but the flights are also good booked with transit passengers to other AA destinations in NorthAmerica, Europe and Asia.

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 17):
Pax from BOG to NRT........not much, not to fill a daily 738 from BOG to DFW, as most transit via Europe which is faster.


have never say there is enough demand from BOG to NRT too fill a daily 738. By the way transit via Europe is not faster, of course not so complicate but not faster, please calculate, a 10 hour flight from colombia to europe + 12 hours europe - japan, via US is faster.

we are talking about a B738 from BOG to DFW, for passengers of the local colombian / texas O/D market, + transfer passengers to west us + asia + europe and also mid-west destinations in the us.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Local DFW area floral distributors have guaranted AA 6 to 8,000lbs of fresh cut flowers daily on a inbound BOG-DFW flight. With AA/AE adding close to 200 more DFW flights, DFW-BOG will work

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

Quoting Avianca (reply 20):


I am talking that there is demand for the colombian - california sector. Alone LAX area has more than 100.000 colombians + San Franciso market.....
A conecting through a AA hub is a different storry than direct flights from Colombia to LAX with B707, B757 or B767.


Connect via MIA. BOG-LAX via DFW is not singificantly quicker than via MIA. The difference in flight time would be less than an hour.

Quoting Avianca (reply 20):
intresting where you from have this details, because this is totally nonsence. Yes the MIA market is a big market for O/D to colombia, but the flights are also good booked with transit passengers to other AA destinations in NorthAmerica, Europe and Asia.


AA's Colombia flights have a much higher proportion of O&D compared to many other cities.

Quoting Avianca (reply 20):

we are talking about a B738 from BOG to DFW, for passengers of the local colombian / texas O/D market, + transfer passengers to west us + asia + europe and also mid-west destinations in the us.


There is barely a market for passengers between Colombia, Texas, and the US Midwest. The market is mainly along the Eastern seaboard.



a.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 22):
There is barely a market for passengers between Colombia, Texas, and the US Midwest. The market is mainly along the Eastern seaboard.


why? Colombians are living across the US from East to West coast from North to South, your post is 20 years too late.

citys like chicago, lax have colombian comuntiys with over 100.000 people, also other citys like SFO, PHX .... have not realy small colombian population not that big as LAX and CHI but they have.

in the last 5 years immigrate more than 1 million of colombians in the us, and for sure they are all not arround south florida...



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

Would AA ever operate JFK-BOG? AV are the only carrier on this route currently.


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25 757MDE : AV is the only one from JFK but CO flies from EWR also.
26 MAH4546 : The Colombian community in Chicago is not 100,000 people. It is quite small, actually, and I doubt that LA's Colombian community is that large either
27 AirStatDFW : AA is going to 3X daily and with BA that will be 4X daily flights between DFW-LGW.
28 RCS763AV : The people that emigrated to the LA area did it in the 1970s-80s. Theyir sons and daughters are already american and they dont have much interest in c
29 Avianca : yes this 2 areas have really very large communities, but like from 500.000 to 1 million Atlanta for example has not 30.000, it has like 100.000 also
30 MAH4546 : No, they don't. Atlanta's Colombian community is not six digits large. You will not find them. Miami/Fort Lauderdale's Colombian community is the lar
31 Avianca : and where is living the more than 1 million of colombians that immigrates the last 5 years? maybe in Alaska? Come on 130000 in SouthFlorida, Colombia
32 MAH4546 : You are correct, that figure is too small. But I didn't forget a "0". The actual number is closer to a quarter of a million.
33 NYCAAer : Flyguy1, AA operated JFK-BOG in the early '90s with a 763 and later with a 752, but it was highly unprofitable. The flight would go out with only arou
34 SOUTHAMERICA : It is noticeable that DL codeshares with AV on the BOG-JFK-BOG and CLO-MDE-JFK-MDE-CLO routes. AV serves JFK from 3 different Colombian cities, among
35 RCS763AV : Actually, yes there must be about a million Colombians in South Florida. Also, there are about 400.000 in NY and like 70.000 in Boston, dont know abou
36 MAH4546 : There are not 1,000,000 Colombians in South Florida. There are just over a 1,000,000 Cubans, and they are by far our largest immigrant group: Miami H
37 Avianca : and why nearly 75 percent of the population south floridas are spanish native speakers? for sure a huge amount have the US passport but they are colo
38 MAH4546 : Firstly, 75% of South Florida's population is not native Spanish speaker. The number is closer to 65% of Miami-Dade's population, and about 50% of So
39 Bogota : Out of the five million Colombians living abroad 39.09% live in the US, 48.09% live in Venezuela and 9.12% in Spain. That means that around 2 million
40 A300AA : Yes I think we are a lot of people living outside of the country, but not that much, its not more than 600 000 in Dade county, and less in Broward. Th
41 Avianca : very intresting post, Bogota dou you know if this 5 millions are only the colombians with still colombian documents, or also including the many colom
42 Klwright69 : It is CO's 10th anniversary to BOG? How cool! it brings back memories! I remember flying IAH-BOG just a couple weeks after it started. I took it again
43 RCS763AV : Yes, EWR-BOG had 72% load factors in 2004.
44 MAH4546 : Okay, that's fine. Ignore what the Official 2000 US Census says, and instead, believe what a poster on Airliners.net says.
45 Klwright69 : Oh, and in the Avianca-MAH4546 debate, MAH is the correct one.
46 Avianca : ok please let me know where I can find the Offical 2000 US Census, are the colombian with US documents and also the illegals borne in mind? I have Co
47 Avianca : what a post....
48 SFOMEX : C'mon guys, cool down! During my years living at the San Francisco's Bay Area I had the chance to meet the Colombian consul in the city. She was a fri
49 Bogota : This figure includes all Colombians, legal, illegal, residents abroad and dual citizens of another country. And just for MAH4546, first that census is
50 RCS763AV : OK i have just suggested deletion. What an airheaded, ignorant, typical stupid gringo post. It would be great if AA started BOG-ORD. There are way mo
51 CORULEZ05 : @RCS......it was a joke.....geeze....you people are soooooooooo uptight....Letterman joked about it awhile back if I remember correctly...get over it.
52 Post contains links NoMoreRjs : Here is some information on Latin populations in the US. http://web.gc.cuny.edu/lastudies/Latinodatabases.htm
53 RCS763AV : No were not getting over it until you stop mocking and discriminating us! You dont know what its like to have a Colombian passport in a US airport. An
54 Bongo : There's a nice tool, free for all, called "spell check" right next to the "Post the Message" !!
55 Avianca : yes the spelling, but not the gramma and maybe false words that where used...
56 Incitatus : Yes but incoming international flights to Dallas are a breeze compared to Miami. A visitor can easily spend 60 minutes in line at MIA immigration to
57 MAH4546 : Houston more so than Dallas, which is why Continental has expressed interest in starting service to Medellin. Even so, Colombia/Medellin's oil indust
58 RCS763AV : Colombia is not a big producers, we wont be able to use our own oil in 5 years, as we will have to start importing. Were really dry. BTW: Im back from
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