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Song Airline Or Pan Am  
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

With DL dropping 4 aircraft types, will some of them go to Song? I know Song flies the B-752, exclusively, with what 199 seats?

Could Song pick up some of DLs retiring B-762s?

Could Pan Am, at PSM, pick up some of DLs retiring B-762s or B-733Gs?

I believe Pan Am still only flies B-722s with winglets. Don't they have something like 7-10 of them with only 125 seats? Replacing the B-722s with B-733Gs would still have the same number of seats, and burn less fuel.

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (reply 0):
With DL dropping 4 aircraft types, will some of them go to Song? I know Song flies the B-752, exclusively, with what 199 seats?

Could Song pick up some of DLs retiring B-762s?

No chance. Song has a single-type fleet for a reason, keeping costs down. Adding another aircraft type would require spending money for training, maintenance, equipment and other necessary stuff. Also, the seating of the 762 doesn't offer much advantages. With 199 seats on the 752, DL has one FA per 49,25 pax (limit is 50). On the 762, in a possible 220-seat layout, it would be one FA per 44 pax.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (reply 0):
Could Pan Am, at PSM, pick up some of DLs retiring B-762s or B-733Gs?

Not realistic either. Don't forget that those 722s are being flown by non-unionized Boston-Maine Airways pilots, that used to fly J-31s, and neither does PA III, which actually is more of a PA IV, the money nor the resources to add an additional plane type, let alone a widebody.


User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (reply 0):
With DL dropping 4 aircraft types, will some of them go to Song? I know Song flies the B-752, exclusively, with what 199 seats?


The whole purpose of elimninating 4 aircraft types is to cut costs. As Song is Delta, giving Song one of these four types would do nothing to cut costs.
As DAL400ER correctly points out, to bring in another type would only increase costs.

I do wonder however what DL is going to do to replace the 4 types..........we are talking about quite a few aircraft here.


User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

I was under the assumtion that Songs MX was done by Delta. I had also thought that Song didn't have it's own O.C. so having one fleet type doesn't really do anything for costs except maybe for F/A training. They're still flown by DL pilots on DL payscales, handled by DL ramp and MX done by DL mechanics.

One can only assume Delta mainline eats the cost.



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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

i've seen a lot of discussion about how the 762's have serious corrosion issues. If that is the case are these birds headed for scrap or will they go to the freighter route?


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (reply 0):
Could Pan Am, at PSM, pick up some of DLs retiring B-762s or B-733Gs?


Wait, what's a B-733G? I've heard of the B733, the Boeing 737-300, and the B73G, the Boeing 737-700, but not the B-733G.  Confused


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Pan Am is right now comtemplating a move to Florida and they will most likely end up buying used Fokker 100's for their new routes .They are available at very cheap rates and they are available for delivery immiadetely.


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User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

The 73G (733) are DL's 737-300 gotten from I believe Germania Airlines with glass cockpits. The G used by DL is to distinguish these craft from the other 300's they have.

User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

not to be a stick in the mud, but a 737-300 is never referred to as a 73G that is only for 737-700.

I bveleive that DL bouth most of their -300's new from Boeing, They have the limited glass cockpit not the 5 panel total glass cockpit like the E170's.


I would think DL's 737-300's would be great for some people to acquire, Including Pan AM II should they be able to keep it together that long.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (reply 8):
not to be a stick in the mud, but a 737-300 is never referred to as a 73G that is only for 737-700.

Delta does  Big grin .

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (reply 8):
I bveleive that DL bouth most of their -300's new from Boeing, They have the limited glass cockpit not the 5 panel total glass cockpit like the E170's.

Actually not. Only 5 733s have been bought directly from Boeing. The rest is ex-Western or ex-Germania


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Interesting about the Germania planes. I did know they inherited a lot of 737-300 from the Western Merger. I remember being in ORD in 1988 seeing a Western 737-300 with an interim DL paint scheme.


I am not sure why you say they call them 73G on the website all the flights say 737-300.

All of there on-line schedule and downloadable schedules also say 737-300, even Orbitz says just 737, even their flight plans filed are for 737-300 (i have a subsciption to FBOweb and Flighttracker.com) where do they ever use 73G, internally?

This was a FLiFo on Delta.com,

Departing City (Airport) Chicago (Chicago-O'Hare Intl)
Departure Gate L7(ORD)
Carrier Delta
Equipment Type Boeing 737-300
Arriving City Salt Lake City (Salt Lake City Intl)
Arriving Gate D5(SLC)
Flight Distance (miles) 1245


User currently offline787 From Italy, joined Jan 2000, 292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting Alberchico (reply 6):
Pan Am is right now comtemplating a move to Florida and they will most likely end up buying used Fokker 100's for their new routes .They are available at very cheap rates and they are available for delivery immiadetely.



What is the source for this? Interesting to hear.



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User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (reply 10):
I am not sure why you say they call them 73G on the website all the flights say 737-300


The terminology of 73G at DL just signifies 737-300 Glass Cockpit. It is an internal thing and will not show up anywhere. They came from Germania. The Germania craft are used primarally on the LGA-DCA/BOS shuttle. Basically, it is confusing, but it used to identify the glass cockpit 733's.

BTW, 73G is used for the 700 series so as to separate it from the 737-100 or 737. 737-600/700/800/900 are all 737NG but there is no confusion using 736,738,739.............so DL's use of the term 73G actually preceeds Boeings designation............now it just causes confusion when talking about the two entirely different aircraft.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

thanks for the info about that internal designation.

another great beneift of A.Net


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

So what happens when Delta has no more 757's to give Song? What plane do you think they will operate then (this is all in the way future)?

Thanks
jetBlueAtJFK



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Well atleast they could add another color then just green to their aircraft. Does anyone know if they plan to add more colors like Blue, Orange, or Red to the B757-200s?


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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

I think orange and purple because if you look on their site at the shop, you see some things that they offer in green, orange, and purple so I guess they are eventually planning on it. In a few years or so, I guess.

jetBlueAtJFK



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User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the speculation on A.net a while ago was that they had originally planned on painting the a/c all different colors, but ended up painting them all green because it was cheaper.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting TrappedInMKG (reply 17):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the speculation on A.net a while ago was that they had originally planned on painting the a/c all different colors, but ended up painting them all green because it was cheaper.

Unfortunately, that is true. Originally, the livery would have been as colorful as the seats, but now it's only lime. I still hope that the batch of 12 757s Song is now getting will be painted in another color, but I doubt it.


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