Airfrancejfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 476 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6791 times:
Taken From The Guyana Chronicle, Friday Feb.18 2005
Air Canada to begin Guyana flights
CANADA’S largest airline, Air Canada, is set to begin flights between Canada and Guyana on July 1 this year, a top official says.
The official, who requested anonymity, told the Chronicle that an agreement has been clinched with Canada's national airline to begin operating and it has fixed July 1 for its inaugural flight.
The official said this welcome development will be a big boost for the local tourism industry, estimating that it would result in an increase in tourist arrivals of 10,000-5,000 annually and will stimulate competition among airlines operating in the Caribbean.
Canadian Transport Minister Jean-C. Lapierre and Trade Minister James Peterson last week announced the conclusion of the first air transport agreement between Canada and Guyana.
"The airlines of Canada and Guyana will now be able to operate scheduled air services between our respective territories," Mr. Lapierre said.
According to Mr. Petersen: "This air transport agreement will further advance our relations with Guyana. It will build on 40 years of bilateral cooperation between our countries, by helping to increase trade, investment and tourism." (CHAMANLALL NAIPAUL) [See other story on centre]
AWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6699 times:
The official said this welcome development will be a big boost for the local tourism industry, estimating that it would result in an increase in tourist arrivals of 10,000-5,000 annually and will stimulate competition among airlines operating in the Caribbean
I don't know if Guyana immediately springs to mind when most people think "tourist destination"... Unless, the Guyanese government plans to pump thousands upon thousands of dollars to change people's perception of the country. Personally, I see Guyana as a destination which AC could combine with another South American destination... Similar to how they combined the POS and CCS flights.
Hoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6656 times:
What will the frequency be of this new service, and using which type of plane? 767, A320/319? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Guyana only have 5 flights per week anywhere? I know someone who's going to be traveling there in just over a month, and they said that there are no flights in or out of Guyana on Mondays and Tuesdays. So will this new AC service be weekly?
AirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1410 posts, RR: 27 Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6383 times:
Awspicious is right, not many tourists IMHO will be on that flight. The GEO route will be filled mostly with VFR pax from the decent sized Guyanese community in Toronto. YYZ-POS-GEO with a 320 routing makes the most sense to start.
People find AC a tad more expensive true, but more and more are willing to pay a little more in order to bypass a hassle filled connection via the USA. I did that exact same thing on my recent trip to CUR from YYZ.
Airfrancejfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6316 times:
I believe when they say tourist market, they're referring to overseas based Guyanese, I believe there is about 200,000 in Canada alone, most of them in the Toronto area.
As for there being no flights on Monday and Tuesdays, I find this hard to believe, BWIA flies at least 3 times a day between GEO and POS. He was probabily referring to the long haul flights, but even then that doesnt sound right as North American flies to New York on Tuesday and BWIA flies to New York and Miami just about every day.
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1661 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6189 times:
Best bet is an A319. It's within range, and AC will be getting the CR-705s in May and the EMB-175 starting in July. Already, the E-jet is being slotted into the schedule on routes like YUL-LGA and YUL-EWR and YUL-ORD, which frees up some 319 flying.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5424 times:
Can't see them using anything smaller than a 319. The flight would be approximately 5:30 non-stop..no way a CRJ has the range. As far as the ERJ's--don't believe they are equipped with slide/rafts for over water operations. Could anybody confirm??
AWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5303 times:
I don't believe any of AC's future C/ERJs will go the distance... Not the way in which they'll be configured... Unless AC decides to go into the island-hopper business (yah mon, eh!).
I believe the A319 to be the right size for the route... Especially if it's operated only a few times per week. As FLYACYYZ predicts, YYZ-POS-GEO would make sense... But, as AirFranceJFK points out, there many Guyanese living in Canada, and if AC can offer them a non-stop flight YYZ-GEO-YYZ, they'll take it! For a time, Air Guyana and Universal operated flights into YYZ. After those ceased, the Canadians visiting Guyana (and vice versa) have not been able to get a non-stop flight between the two countries.
BWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5177 times:
This is good to hear.
As for AWspicious post, Universal never operated a GEO-YYZ route. They had applied for it, but I believe into Hamilton but it was rejected because the forms were not filled out properly by the owners of the company. It is true about not having a non-stop sevice to Guyana for quite a while now. Guyanese people living in Toronto rely heavily on BWIA via POS for their trips. Air Transat use to operate with the A310 and L-1011 on the YYZ-GEO route but GG tours gave up that contract.
Airfrancejfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4803 times:
With the new agreement between Guyana and Canada, Universal is looking to open up GEO-Hamilton, Ontario. The've been trying to get this route for quite some time now. I believe in the past, due to a lack of agreement between the 2 countries, airlines were only allowed to fly on a charter only basis, hence Guyana Airways and Air Transit, used to fly YYZ-GEO, however it was done through tour companies such as Constellation Tours.
As for Universal, they're supposed to be opening up Orlando/Sandford soon. They're still flying a leased Iceland B757, so thats reduced their operational capacity quite a bit. One of their major advertising gimmicks was that they could take all the baggage (and being a Caribbean airline, this is a must), however that was when they were flying a B767-300. I believe, they along with other Caribbean carriers experienced numerous problems over the Christmas season with regards to left over baggage, resulting in a decline in passenger numbers. They've been doing fairly well on the JFK-POS sector, but not as well with the onward flights to GEO and PBM. I believe FLL and MAO are flown on an ad-hoc basis, the latter, with mostly passengers originating out of GEO.
Finally, don't expect to see an Air Canada CRJ in GEO anytime soon. Due to the high baggage volume, it's highly more likely to see an A319.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3211 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4577 times:
WEll that is good news for GEO, a major carrier after so many years. 5 flights weekly to GEO - where did that erroneous info arise? GEO has several flights with BW to POS and onwards to MIA and JFK, LI and 8B to Barbados, North American to JFK, Universal to POS, JFK and some other points and PY to Parmaribo.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4443 times:
Quoting 9Y-ISA (reply 18): AC can full a 767 to GEO, given they offer a good price etc
Not sure about this statement. AC will most certainly deploy the A319 via POS to GEO.
Quoting Airfrancejfk (reply 17): They've been doing fairly well on the JFK-POS sector, but not as well with the onward flights to GEO and PBM. I believe FLL and MAO are flown on an ad-hoc basis, the latter, with mostly passengers originating out of GEO.
Thanks for the info.
Quoting Airfrancejfk (reply 17): As for Universal, they're supposed to be opening up Orlando/Sandford soon. They're still flying a leased Iceland B757, so thats reduced their operational capacity quite a bit.
Indeed, and the 757 flew for some weeks on AV's network, before landing in GEO for Universal. Is the 757 on Universal colours or still on Icelandair colours?
9Y-ISA From Trinidad and Tobago, joined May 2001, 221 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4431 times:
Hardiwv, what I meant was that there is the "potential" for AC to full a 767 to GEO. Now yes, they'll probably use a 319 to start off, but like I say, I know Guyanese pax, they'll flock in numbers if the service and price is good in AC.
On a side note, I don't see why AC has to go to POS first, as many of you all are suggesting, they can and will have enough seats filled to go direct to GEO, after all, isn't what whis whole announcement is about really, a direct flight to Guyana, no more stops offs, time wasting etc etc. As a 767 lover, it would be great to see the 767 in GEO, heck I'd like to see it in POS again!!
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4453 times:
Would love to see a 767 on the YYZ-GEO route, but highly unlikely for the summer given the current (dire) aircraft shortage. 767-200's are pulled off of most domestic and virtually all Carribean flights to operate the high number of European seasonal services from YYZ:
MAN (Replacing BMI)
CDG (2nd flight ex YYZ).
Despite the high demand for traffic, don't see this being a high-yielding route, with virtually no demand for J/C seating.
I'ts gonna be a 319 (the 320 would be pushing the range limits). Just a question of non-stop or via POS, and the frequency.