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Landing On 'wrong' Runway At LHR?  
User currently onlineVanguard From Solomon Islands, joined Feb 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8613 times:
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While I was in the bmi lounge in T1 recently I was watching the planes landing one after another from the East onto the southern runway. Take-offs were on the northern runway heading west.

It was around midday, and I recall that the runways used for take-offs & landings changes around this time (?). So when I saw a plane coming in to the north runway, I presumed the switch had taken place.

However, the following planes all landed on the southern runway, and take-offs continued on the northern one. So why did this one plane (Royal Air Maroc) land on the Northern one - surely length isn't a problem?

Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineReady4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Just from watching and listening to some of the comments in the BBC's Airport series, they can request that certain services can go from (or arrive on) a particular runway to reduce taxiing time - usually flights with diplomats/royalty/heads of state onboard.

User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Except Royal Air Maroc landing on 27R is actually a longer taxi than if it landed on 27L (southern runway). I would suggest some kind of atc thing.

User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

Quoting Vanguard (reply 0):
It was around midday, and I recall that the runways used for take-offs & landings changes around this time (?). So when I saw a plane coming in to the north runway, I presumed the switch had taken place.


If they were on 27's, then they always switch runways at 3pm. For example, if aircraft were arriving on 27L in the morning, they will change at 3pm and use 27R for arrivals.

Quoting Vanguard (reply 0):
It was around midday, and I recall that the runways used for take-offs & landings changes around this time (?). So when I saw a plane coming in to the north runway, I presumed the switch had taken place.


Sometimes when the airport isnt busy, ATC can use both runways - T4 flights like to use 27L for example as it is a shorter taxi to the terminal, while BMI flights prefer 27R as it is closer to T3.

I hope this helps.

Simon Nicholls



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

When would LHR not be busy, except after 11pm? and why would BMI care about T3 being closer to 27R when they use T1?

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (reply 4):
When would LHR not be busy, except after 11pm? and why would BMI care about T3 being closer to 27R when they use T1?

Isn't the domestic gates lined up parallel to runway 27R? I suppose that's what he was referring to  Smile


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (reply 4):
When would LHR not be busy, except after 11pm? and why would BMI care about T3 being closer to 27R when they use T1?



Sorry, yes I meant T1.
My bad!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

Most mornings aircraft arrive onto both runways depending on when they're parking. Around 7am things usually change to either 27L or 27R when the departures pick up.
The 3pm alternation also alternates weekly ie 27L arrivals till 1500/27R arrivals after 1500 one week and vice versa the next the changeover being on Monday.
The 09's of course don't alternate arrivals always being on the R. (except in very rare circumstances).


User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

Actually when using 09L/R it's 09L that is used for arrivals and 09R for departures (with the odd BA flight using 09R to land as it means you don't have to cross a live runway to get to T4).

User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting TimRees (reply 7):
The 09's of course don't alternate arrivals always being on the R. (except in very rare circumstances).


Quoting RTFM (reply 8):
Actually when using 09L/R it's 09L that is used for arrivals and 09R for departures (with the odd BA flight using 09R to land as it means you don't have to cross a live runway to get to T4).


09L is not used for departures due to the Cranford Agreement (I think) on noise reduction and abatement.

Regards,

Feroze


User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

Feroze: correct - it is. Ironic thing is that in it's last few months of operation Concorde would only take off on 09L when they were operating 09L/R. Now if anything was going to blow the Cranford Agreement out of the water that was it!! Bet that rattled a few roof tiles!  Big grin

User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4549 times:

Sorry - of course it's 09L for departures!

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4498 times:

09L had to be used for Concorde due to the construction work at the end of 09R which meant aircraft could not use the full length of the runway.

-Stephen


User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4441 times:

Sorry totally dyslexic today - it's 09L for arrivals, 09R for departures...usually..

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4311 times:

Well actually its usually the 27's for arrivals/departures  Big grin

-Stephen


User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4199 times:

Planesarecool: you are correct, however what TimRees was talking about was which runway is used for departures and which for arrivals when using the 09s.

User currently offlineBazzaldonbond From Ireland, joined Feb 2001, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

The reason you saw one use the "wrong" runway is called TEAMING i believe. It inceases the arrival rate when there is less traffic to depart and makes better use of the runways i believe its done 2-3 times an hour

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