ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 11 Posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3154 times:
While I am aware of the FAA rules that state the minimum number of flight attendants by the number of passengers, I was wondering how an airline would deal with the following issue:
Say flight XXX is scheduled to be operated with a B73G that carries 125 pax, and all seats are sold. Say we have 3 flight attendants scheduled to serve on this flight. So all is well. But then, at the last minute, the 73G has a mechanical problem and there is an aircraft switch, say, a B767-200 with 200 seats will be used for the flight and back (don't care about economics here, but that's what the airline wants to send out). Now, with 125/200 seats filled, will the airline have to increase the number of flight attendants as well, even though the original 3/125 was within the requirements? Is this ratio related to passenger head count or just aircraft seat count?
N670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1586 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3136 times:
Now, with 125/200 seats filled, will the airline have to increase the number of flight attendants as well, even though the original 3/125 was within the requirements?
Yes. The requirement is by aircraft capacity, not the number of seats sold. The FAA minimum would now be 4.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6404 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
In the US, and I believe most of the rest of the world, the requirement is 1:50 seats on an aircraft, with a few other stipulations. In Canada, it's 1:40 passengers, so a different requirement. Some in Canada seem to want to change the requirement to 1:50 seats from the current 1:40 passengers.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3094 times:
There really is an unwritten rule that's always violated, it pertains to how many hot female F/A's have to be on flight per attractive available male...seems like this clause is never satisfied this day in age
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 7179 posts, RR: 65 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3081 times:
ETStar,
On an European airline, 4 F/A will be required. And they will have to be "qualified" to fly the B767 as well.
In France, we are allowed to have only 3 different a/c certification. So we can't just fly on all the aircraft of the fleet.
A318/19/20/21 is one certification.
B735 is another certification, then
A332/A343
B747/744
B772/773.
In any case, each aircraft type has a minimum of F/A required, whether all the seats are sold or not.
Amirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1327 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
The requirement is for the a/c, not the actual number of pax.
So even if only 60 pax, where on a 744, you would still need 12!!! F/A
The only way to by pass, is to close off sections of the plane.
In the case of the 744, you could probably put all 60 pax in the upper deck and only have 2 f/a. As long as no one sits downstairs during the takeoff and landing.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6404 posts, RR: 62 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2744 times:
BMED, the CRJ, and other 50 seat aircraft, are exempt from the 1:40 rule and they only require 1 f/a on board. Also, aircraft up to 19 seats do not require a f/a, so B1900D's for instance, do not have f/a's. Beyond a 50 seat aircraft, the 1:40 pax rule takes into effect.
Amirs, in Canada things are a bit different. While there is a minimum number of f/a's, it is due to sets of doors, not seats. On a 747 in Canada, I would imagine the minimum number of f/a's for a light load would be 6 or 7.
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FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 7179 posts, RR: 65 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
Captaingomes,
This rule of pair of doors applies also in Europe, but Amirs is right, actually you have to take the most exacting of the 2 rules. Example :
Let's say, a B777-200 has 4 pair of main doors. So it requires a minimum of 4 F/A.
If you have 270 seats in this B772, you will need a minimum of 6 F/A.
If you operate your B772 with a single Business Class of 130 seats, there, you have to respect the rule for the "pair of main doors", and you will need 4 F/A, despite the 130 seats that would require "only" 3 F/A.
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