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UK High Court: Plans For Additonal Runways Upheld  
User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

The UK High Court has ruled that the government's proposals for additional runways at Stanstead and Heathrow are lawful.

Stanstead should have a new runway by 2011 and Heathrow a third shorter runway by 2015.

Pity it couldn't be tomorrow!

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10649 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
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Congratulations London!

Ok, London is my favorite foreign city to visit; every week I've spent there has been wonderful. Opening it up to more people will be good for the local economy and world travel.

Pity it couldn't be tomorrow! I agree 100%

Lightsaber


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User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

It's spelt Stansted....
Good news for London anyway...

User currently offlineReady4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (reply 1):
Pity it couldn't be tomorrow!

I totally agree.

But I just wonder how likely this is to go ahead? Does anyone think we will ever see a Heathrow that doesn't prevent airlines from growing? I've always thought airlines like VS would maybe even begin shorthaul if there were more slots available. Would this ever be likely?

User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (reply 0):
Stanstead should have a new runway by 2011 and Heathrow a third shorter runway by 2015.


Good news, however will the additional capacity that the new runways at STN and LHR will bring be needed before 2011 and 2015? How much more can each airport grow (in terms of passenger traffic) without and further expansion, and what is the predicted growth for these airports?

Cheers,
Ian.


Ian@STN ::
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Shame LGW isn't on the list. They should have put a second runway in there decades ago.

User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting PM (reply 5):
They should have put a second runway in there decades ago


PM, they do have a 2nd runway, it's just always used as an extra taxiway  Wink/being sarcastic

Cheers,
Ian.


Ian@STN ::
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Ian

In which case isn't it a ... taxiway??!

Anyway, I though they were too close to be used as two runways.

User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

PM,

You're right, I'm just joking with you, to the best of my knowledge they can't be used simultaneously...

With these extra runways @ STN and LHR, would the pressure be taken off LGW and hence it would not require a new runway?

Cheers,
Ian.

[Edited 2005-02-19 12:22:49]


Ian@STN ::
User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 853 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

I hope that Stansted starts to see transatlantic flights year round and other long haul destinations. It would be brill.


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User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting BMED (reply 9):
I hope that Stansted starts to see transatlantic flights year round and other long haul destinations. It would be brill.


I agree 100%. Although we have the odd flight to Canada and such like, a scheduled service to the US would be awesome. I believe CO operated a 757 to EWR from STN but pulled out after 9/11, would love to see such a service again...

Cheers,
Ian.


Ian@STN ::
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Ian

Do you remember a plane (from memory a British Island Airways MD-80) landing on the LGW taxiway by mistake? When was that - the 80s?

User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 853 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

I know that ZOOM fly to Canada and if their service went daily that would be a start.


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User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

2015 for LHR's third runway is too far in the distance, it needs the runway now! I can see this ending up like another T5 with many more public enquiries and such.

User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

PM,

I don't actually remember it happening (I wasn't born at the time!), but I have heard stories such as the one you mentioned. Can you imagine the chaos if other aircraft had been sing the taxiway?

Cheers,
Ian.


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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Ian

Good God - I've just checked your profile. You make me feel old; I'm nearly 50!

But I suppose there are some advantages. I doubt if you'll ever see and photograph BOAC VC10s, East African Airways VC10s, Dan-Air Comets or Aeroflot Tu-104s and you'll never fly on a BEA Viscount...

On the other hand, you'll be around to see the last 777 scrapped but I won't.

My first visit to Stansted, by the way, was in 1971 when I saw a Channel Airways (?) Trident.

God - I AM old.

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Good for them. NIMBY's suck!

User currently offlineDan330 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Do you remember a plane (from memory a British Island Airways MD-80) landing on the LGW taxiway by mistake? When was that - the 80s?

Wasn't that an Air Malta aircraft, most probably a 737 that did this?

User currently offlineDan330 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

OK, to answer my own question this is the one I was thinking of:
Air Malta 737-200 9H-ABA 20 October 1993
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/dft_avsafety_pdf_502520.pdf

May have been others though.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1333 times:
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Good news, but does it really take 15 years to plan, design and build a new runway at LHR? LHR will be at breaking point by then. Other countries can build entire airports in that time.


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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3687 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Well since I am looking at airport development in the South East as part of my dissertation (writing up now) I am not surprised by this at all. In fact it has been widely known since the publication of the Aviation White Paper in late '03 that development of a third runway at LHR was in the pipeline and could be built anytime between then and 2015.


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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

Quoting Dan330 (reply 18):
OK, to answer my own question this is the one I was thinking of:
Air Malta 737-200 9H-ABA 20 October 1993


Well done. That makes two (at least). The one I recall was certainly prior to the 'nineties.

Then there was the BA 747 that almost landed on the M4 (M25?) at night...

User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

PM...

Excuse my total ignorance, but how does a 747 almost come down on the M4/M25...? I am sure it happened, but how? I thought planes when landing were "effectively locked" onto the appropriate runway by the ILS. For example, do you remember when that Saudi Arabian 747 landed at an Indian military base and they had real problems getting it back into air...

As a complete layman, how does this happen?!

User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

PS.

Good news on LHR, but what is the betting it never happens? Don't they have to buy and knock down thousands of homes...? Extending Stansted will be far less politcally damaging...

User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Quoting Businessflyer (reply 22):
how does a 747 almost come down on the M4/M25...?


Good question. I think it's one that BA and BAA were asking themselves at the time! It was about 10 years ago (?) and at night. I recall that the pilot was sacked. But I'm not a pilot and I can't say how it could happen.

Anyone with more expertise able to fill us in?

25 Post contains links Scotron11: The proposed shorter runway at LHR is planned for just north of the A4 between the airport and the M4. There are also proposals for a 6th terminal som
26 Post contains links Fbgdavidson: More info. I have actually spoken to someone who was on the northern perimeter road when it happened. The plane was about to make a perfect landing o
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