UALramperORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11254 times:
As for pushback with an aircraft, its hard to see whats directly behind the plane all the while keeping track of your wing man and your clearance with other aircraft. At UA I have to push back with one hand sometimes because while all that is going on your talking with the pilot. not as easy as it seems, especially at a congested airport like LGA and ORD.
Allstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11111 times:
UALramperORD is right on. I worked for two UX carriers at ORD, and there were plenty of idiots who would smack one a/c into another, even with the basic 2 wingwalkers. Not that it's harder to do it between F and G concourses at ORD than it is any other place. When I worked at GSP, where there is relatively little traffic, I'd get ansy sometimes when I was pushing back - with few to no other a/c around me. I'm sure it's tougher where UALramper is, especially with the traffic sometimes on Bravo and Charlie lines between the north and south ports. And I'm sure LGA is a mess, too. And the worst, sometimes, is that everyone involved has to take heat because one of the guys (the guy on the tug or maybe just 1 of the wingwalkers) wasn't paying attention for even a moment.
Notbluejet From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9722 times:
I have to agree, LGA is packed even driving downthe service road can take forever with planes pulling in and out.
As far as pushback one thing ive noticed from my experience is that MANY drivers are so concentrated on the wheels, and rookies looking at the towbar that they forget that they have wingwalkers. I've myself witnessed wingwalkers trying to stop a pushback for long enough to hit something before the driver noticed them.
Although i dont know the actual position of the planes if it was two pushbacks or a taxi/pushback Ops shouldnt have let the two guys tango in the same alley.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8928 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9394 times:
N163US was the A321. Don't know about the A319. Information on the A321 came off the ACARS server (only 2 321s are scheduled to RON at LGA last night; one of them was a 319 though, so the only 321 RON was 163).
N670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9238 times:
Is it certain the other aircraft was a 319?
I checked flight status on the early morning 319 departures out of LGA - US263 to FLL, US869 to SJU, US2163 to DCA, US1479 to NAS, etc. - and all departed [relatively] on time. Though the 321's to PHL and CLT that depart around the same time were cancelled.
CORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9144 times:
@N670UW....uh, how else would you explain this happening?...I mean, this is your job, this is what you are trained for. You are handling multi-million dollar airplanes and then you bump them into each other?....I'm sorry but I find this totally unexcusable...think of the money that will cost to repair the aircraft...and even if the damage is minimal...the money lost because surely this affected flight operations....and to add to it.....this is the LAST thing USAirways needs.
: CORULEZ-Have you ever BEEN to LaGuardia? It would take Jeff Gordon to be able to drive a golf cart from the gates to the runway without hitting someth
: @Shup....well it can't be that bad otherwise this kind of thing would happen daily.....I think it just comes down to lazy and unprofessional staff....
: I think it could have been a combination of faults . I dont believe anyone specified if the plane was being pushed back or taxied. heck it could be a
: I heard on the news that only 2 ground crew members were backing the plane out of the gate instead of the usual 3. I don't know if that had anything t
: Any body have the extent of the damage of both planes? Pics would be a BONUS here! Wish someone got some. I am not going to enter the discussion about
: For those of you , such as CORULEZ05, that have obviously never pushed back an aircraft. You have, or supposed to have, a marshalling agent to your ri
: "@Shup....well it can't be that bad otherwise this kind of thing would happen daily.....I think it just comes down to lazy and unprofessional staff...
: problem here is the same as in many cases. there could be 100 hard working well trained and experienced rampers.... it only takes one screwup to give
: Even the best trained people make mistakes. Unfortunatly this one cost two departures, and grounded the aircraft, which means not only do they cost mo
: On the local news last night, one of the rumors was that may have caused this 'wing bender', was that there were only 2 in instead of 3 'wingmen' guid
: What an arrogant and high handed comment to make, I'm not a ramper myself, however I have great respect for the guys (and a few ladies I'm sure) who
: NIKV69, What are you talking about??? Registration number is not something that is confidental. I will know them no later then tomorrow morning from t
: You should realize that there are many people that work the ramp so that they can earn money for their higher educations. Many I knew have their bach
: You didn't mention it directly, but by your pompous attitude, it sure implies it. FYI: I was not directly insulting you. I was merely pointing out a d
: It doesn't make anything easier that safety guidepersons are often junior members of the push crew. It's much easier to get distracted if you're walki
: The aircraft involved were N163US and N178US, both A321s.
: Lindy, I never said they were, what I did say was that Matt could not give us any info on this other than it happened. US has a policy with it's emplo
: Just another example of a stupid a$$ who has no idea what he is talking about keep your mouth shut about things you don't understand dude. Hawk44
: you know, people...if you just ignore corulez, he's bound to just go away eventually. this thread has gotten much worse than an a vs b thread. let him
: They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? That seems like a pretty large plane for such a small distance. How many people could possible be taking
: They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? That seems like a pretty large plane for such a small distance. How many people could possible be taking t
: @MTCHEM.........you're right. I admit that my comments have been extremly self centered and erroneous. I apologize to all those offended by my selfish
: They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? Yes, as A330323X said, it's full of connecting passengers - in this case, most heading to the Caribbean. T
: CORULEZ05, Take the warning you got from anet and use it as a learning experience. Put a little more thought in your posts and you will be fine. We ar
: CORulez, why are you on this site? Do you love aviation? Do you fly alot? Do you take aviation pics? If you do and you come to TYS I will make sure to
: how do u back an a/c into another one? i thought ground control and the ramp ppl kept track of everything? Simple.. One plane did not stop before coll