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2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA  
User currently offlineRparker537 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11583 times:

I heard this on the radio this morning but can't find any news.

Apparently as US jet was backing out of the gate when it hit another US Airways plane.

Anyone have more details?

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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11497 times:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/apress_021905_planesbump.html

Despite what the article says, the aircraft wasn't bound for CHO. US doesn't fly mainline into CHO.

The two aircraft involved were US 1023 to PHL (A321) and US 335 to CLT (A321).



N670UW


User currently offlineDimsum From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 91 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

could this be another ramp crew mistake??

how do u back an a/c into another one? i thought ground control and the ramp ppl kept track of everything?


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11435 times:

Despite what the article says, the aircraft wasn't bound for CHO.

Yes, someone confused Charlotte with Charlottesville.  Big grin



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

Dimsum-Ever been to LaGuardia? It's a miracle this sort of thing doesn't happen more often there!


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12144 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11215 times:
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Oh dear, isn't it meant to be a competitor collides with another competitors aircraft?

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11091 times:

I just forwarded this to Matt(Cancidas) he works for US there. He will find out the story and report. So there is no rumors.

User currently offlineUALramperORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

As for pushback with an aircraft, its hard to see whats directly behind the plane all the while keeping track of your wing man and your clearance with other aircraft. At UA I have to push back with one hand sometimes because while all that is going on your talking with the pilot. not as easy as it seems, especially at a congested airport like LGA and ORD.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10935 times:

NIKV-Something obviously had to have happened, as both flights were in fact cancelled due to maintenence, whatever that means in this situation (presumably exactly what was mentioned above)


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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10921 times:

Sh*t happens

Just thankful nobody was hurt also I hope someone at LGA can snap some pics.

Hawk44



Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10910 times:

UALramperORD I agree it is a hard thing to do. Nevertheless these incidents should never happen, that's why people are trained.
-Nikhil



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User currently offlineNucsh From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10881 times:

Quoting Hawk44 (reply 9):
Sh*t happens


For some odd reason, I can picture a bumber sticker of that plastered on a US plane somewhere... lol  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

jk - I love USAirways.



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10859 times:

UALramperORD is right on. I worked for two UX carriers at ORD, and there were plenty of idiots who would smack one a/c into another, even with the basic 2 wingwalkers. Not that it's harder to do it between F and G concourses at ORD than it is any other place. When I worked at GSP, where there is relatively little traffic, I'd get ansy sometimes when I was pushing back - with few to no other a/c around me. I'm sure it's tougher where UALramper is, especially with the traffic sometimes on Bravo and Charlie lines between the north and south ports. And I'm sure LGA is a mess, too. And the worst, sometimes, is that everyone involved has to take heat because one of the guys (the guy on the tug or maybe just 1 of the wingwalkers) wasn't paying attention for even a moment.

-R


User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10775 times:

For some odd reason, I can picture a bumber sticker of that plastered on a US plane somewhere... lol


Only on planes leaving PHL

Just kidding of course I would never bite the hand that feeds me. Like someone said it just takes one person not paying attention and you have an expensive accident on your hands.

[Edited 2005-02-20 01:56:17]

[Edited 2005-02-20 01:57:18]


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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10774 times:

yes, two aircraft did colide on the ramp today during pushback. on was a A321 the other a A319. both a/c are still in LGA for mx. that's all i can say without getting into trouble.


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User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10721 times:

No registration numbers ?

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

Lindy,

Matt did us a solid confirming what was rumored, he can't say anything more. He a very loyal US employee and I respect that.

Must have been some pissed off pax if anyone can get any info on flight numbers or regis I would appreciate it. Wonder how damage there was.

SHUPirate,

Thanks for telling us the brutally obvious! Big grin


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

does Airbus make bandaids  Smile


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlinePanam64 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 82 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9787 times:

Something like this happend one time at Lambert Airport St Louis when ground crew were playing around and backed a newly delivered Southwest 737 into another 737. Jobs were lost over that.

User currently offlineNotbluejet From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9470 times:

I have to agree, LGA is packed even driving downthe service road can take forever with planes pulling in and out.

As far as pushback one thing ive noticed from my experience is that MANY drivers are so concentrated on the wheels, and rookies looking at the towbar that they forget that they have wingwalkers. I've myself witnessed wingwalkers trying to stop a pushback for long enough to hit something before the driver noticed them.

Although i dont know the actual position of the planes if it was two pushbacks or a taxi/pushback Ops shouldnt have let the two guys tango in the same alley.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9142 times:

N163US was the A321. Don't know about the A319. Information on the A321 came off the ACARS server (only 2 321s are scheduled to RON at LGA last night; one of them was a 319 though, so the only 321 RON was 163).

I will try and hunt down the A319.

Jeff


User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8986 times:

Is it certain the other aircraft was a 319?

I checked flight status on the early morning 319 departures out of LGA - US263 to FLL, US869 to SJU, US2163 to DCA, US1479 to NAS, etc. - and all departed [relatively] on time. Though the 321's to PHL and CLT that depart around the same time were cancelled.



N670UW


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8940 times:

Just another example of lazy and poorly trained ground crew......

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 22):
Just another example of lazy and poorly trained ground crew......


Were you there? Do you know all the circumstances surrounding the incident? If not, I don't know how much of a ground you have to stand on.



N670UW


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8892 times:

@N670UW....uh, how else would you explain this happening?...I mean, this is your job, this is what you are trained for. You are handling multi-million dollar airplanes and then you bump them into each other?....I'm sorry but I find this totally unexcusable...think of the money that will cost to repair the aircraft...and even if the damage is minimal...the money lost because surely this affected flight operations....and to add to it.....this is the LAST thing USAirways needs.

25 SHUPirate1 : CORULEZ-Have you ever BEEN to LaGuardia? It would take Jeff Gordon to be able to drive a golf cart from the gates to the runway without hitting someth
26 CORULEZ05 : @Shup....well it can't be that bad otherwise this kind of thing would happen daily.....I think it just comes down to lazy and unprofessional staff....
27 Notbluejet : I think it could have been a combination of faults . I dont believe anyone specified if the plane was being pushed back or taxied. heck it could be a
28 Post contains links Dragon-wings : I heard on the news that only 2 ground crew members were backing the plane out of the gate instead of the usual 3. I don't know if that had anything t
29 NIKV69 : Any body have the extent of the damage of both planes? Pics would be a BONUS here! Wish someone got some. I am not going to enter the discussion about
30 PilotNTrng : For those of you , such as CORULEZ05, that have obviously never pushed back an aircraft. You have, or supposed to have, a marshalling agent to your ri
31 PilotNTrng : "@Shup....well it can't be that bad otherwise this kind of thing would happen daily.....I think it just comes down to lazy and unprofessional staff...
32 Post contains images Notbluejet : problem here is the same as in many cases. there could be 100 hard working well trained and experienced rampers.... it only takes one screwup to give
33 UAcsOKC : Even the best trained people make mistakes. Unfortunatly this one cost two departures, and grounded the aircraft, which means not only do they cost mo
34 LTBEWR : On the local news last night, one of the rumors was that may have caused this 'wing bender', was that there were only 2 in instead of 3 'wingmen' guid
35 AC861 : What an arrogant and high handed comment to make, I'm not a ramper myself, however I have great respect for the guys (and a few ladies I'm sure) who
36 Lindy : NIKV69, What are you talking about??? Registration number is not something that is confidental. I will know them no later then tomorrow morning from t
37 Goldenshield : You should realize that there are many people that work the ramp so that they can earn money for their higher educations. Many I knew have their bach
38 Goldenshield : You didn't mention it directly, but by your pompous attitude, it sure implies it. FYI: I was not directly insulting you. I was merely pointing out a d
39 USrampleadSTL : It doesn't make anything easier that safety guidepersons are often junior members of the push crew. It's much easier to get distracted if you're walki
40 A330323X : The aircraft involved were N163US and N178US, both A321s.
41 NIKV69 : Lindy, I never said they were, what I did say was that Matt could not give us any info on this other than it happened. US has a policy with it's emplo
42 Hawk44 : Just another example of a stupid a$$ who has no idea what he is talking about keep your mouth shut about things you don't understand dude. Hawk44
43 MTChemNerd757 : you know, people...if you just ignore corulez, he's bound to just go away eventually. this thread has gotten much worse than an a vs b thread. let him
44 JrMafia90 : They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? That seems like a pretty large plane for such a small distance. How many people could possible be taking
45 A330323X : They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? That seems like a pretty large plane for such a small distance. How many people could possible be taking t
46 CORULEZ05 : @MTCHEM.........you're right. I admit that my comments have been extremly self centered and erroneous. I apologize to all those offended by my selfish
47 Post contains images N670UW : They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? Yes, as A330323X said, it's full of connecting passengers - in this case, most heading to the Caribbean. T
48 NIKV69 : CORULEZ05, Take the warning you got from anet and use it as a learning experience. Put a little more thought in your posts and you will be fine. We ar
49 PilotNTrng : CORulez, why are you on this site? Do you love aviation? Do you fly alot? Do you take aviation pics? If you do and you come to TYS I will make sure to
50 Post contains images Airlinelover : how do u back an a/c into another one? i thought ground control and the ramp ppl kept track of everything? Simple.. One plane did not stop before coll
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