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Shannon Is NOT A City In Ireland?  
User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

I've been under the impression, that Shannon (SNN) was a city in Ireland. When looking at a map of the country, I noticed that it wasn't on it, and also noticed that it wasn't listed as one of the largest cities. Doing a bit more reading, I realized that "Shannon" is a "region" in western Ireland, and is NOT a city. The airport, SNN, is closest to the city of Limerick, if I'm not mistaken.

Is this correct?

Would love some comments. Are there any other major airports named for "regions" and not necessarily a city??

Dr.DTW

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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9741 times:

From Encarta:

Shannon, river, Republic of Ireland, rising at the foot of Cuilcagh Mountain in the northern part of the country, and flowing about 354 km (220 mi) to the Atlantic Ocean between Loop Head and Kerry Head. The longest river in the British Isles, it forms an estuary about 97 km (60 mi) long below Limerick, to which it is navigable by a chain of locks for vessels up to about 900 tonnes. North from Limerick, the Shannon is navigable for most of its length for small craft. The river passes through several loughs on its course, including Lough Allen, Lough Boderg, Lough Ree, and Lough Derg.


User currently offlineStarCruiser From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9650 times:

I don't know as I have only landed in SNN once and that was in the early 1960s on a PA flight making a fuel stop. Two other places that come to mind right now are airports BAH and BDA, both named for countries, and I am sure there are others.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

>I don't know as I have only landed in SNN once and that was in the early 1960s on a PA flight making a fuel stop. Two other places that come to mind right now are airports BAH and BDA, both named for countries, and I am sure there are others.<

Bahrain is a City-State. Shannon is actually a small village, one that sprung up around the airport. Still, Limerick is the closest place of any sort of size



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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9606 times:

Bahrain is an Emirate made up of 33 islands, largest island Bahrain. The capital city is Manama.

Regards,

Feroze

[Edited 2005-02-20 01:06:58]

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

Shannon itself has about 10'000 inhabitants I believe, two big industrial estates, a shopping centre, the airport with big maintenance facilities, three hotels, ... not really anything interesting apart from the airport and the river. Still liked it a lot.


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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

And what really helps Shannons Industry, is the 50/50 rule.

aerlingus330



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

Quoting Aerlingus330 (reply 6):
And what really helps Shannons Industry, is the 50/50 rule.


Could you explain what the 50/50 rule is?

Regards



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User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

I believe it's a rule that forces carriers that operate into Ireland operate 50% of their Ireland capacity to Shannon and 50% to Dublin, but I could be wrong.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

BA-States that for every transatlantic flight an airline flies between Dublin and North America, the airline has to fly one transatlantic flight between Shannon and North America...that rule doesn't just apply to the US-based carriers, it also applies to Air Canada and Aer Lingus as well (although there isn't a single nonstop between Ireland and Canada, likely for said reason)


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User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9488 times:

Quoting Dr.DTW: "Are there any other major airports named for "regions" and not necessarily a city??"

When you think about it, Los Angeles is more of a region than a city; e.g. Century City, Hollywood, Pomona, Sherman Oaks etc ... I think when people refer to "LA" they encompass the very vast metro area


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9446 times:

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (reply 10):
When you think about it, Los Angeles is more of a region than a city; e.g. Century City, Hollywood, Pomona, Sherman Oaks etc ... I think when people refer to "LA" they encompass the very vast metro area


Actually, many of the areas you mention are part of the City of Los Angeles. The city limits are quite vast -- with a few "enclaves" such as Santa Monica and Beverly Hills being seperate cities surrounded by Los Angeles itself.

Steve


User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9412 times:

Quoting BA (reply 7):
Could you explain what the 50/50 rule is?


Vctony is right, it applies for every airline that flies out of Dublin/Shannon to a city outside the continent of Europe. It was made by the Irish government and while it seems like a stupid rule, it is a benifical one. If this rule wasnt in place, Shannon would have very little transatlantic flights, if not none.

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User currently offlineJAFA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

What about Detroit. The airport is actually in Romulus, MI. This is several miles from "Detroit".

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9340 times:

Well this rule does not seem very economical to me. If there is not enough traffic, then why should airlines pay to support the route?

Btw, there is a US immigration post that screens pax ex-Shannon.


User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9328 times:

Just about all them islands in the Pacific would count.


If not now, then when?
User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9327 times:

Belfast Intl Airport, United Kingdom is 20.3 Miles outside Belfast Centre, this can be confusting to people traveling to the airport from Belfast. But there is an airport in Belfast, Belfast City Airport, I would imagine there would be people going to the wrong airports because of this?

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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9301 times:

Quoting VS11 (reply 14):
Well this rule does not seem very economical to me. If there is not enough traffic, then why should airlines pay to support the route?


Well it is, its the only way to enter Ireland from outside Europe or from America, America has a BIG Irish-American population, so lots of Irish-Americans go to Ireland which fill up the seats on the planes. Annother way it is economical- Aerlingus fill up half their plane in Dublin and pick up the rest in Shannon, this is for people touring the West Of Ireland which a lot of Americans do.

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User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

The nearest sizable city to Shannon is the City of Limerick as someone said earlier. Shannon grew out of a seaplane base on the Shannon Estuary which was used as a re-fueling stop for the big transatlantic flying boats. It was placed in a good place for a re-fueling stop but really it was the middle of nowhere. The seaplane base was known as Foynes and when land based aircraft replaced the big flying boats the airport was built at nearby Shannon. The town, the industrial estates etc. grew up around the airport which was there first. Shannon played a vital role for many years as a re-fueling stop (still does to an extent) where pax could shop or go on a short sight-seeing trip before continuing their journey. It's future is somewhat threatened by LR aircraft and the fact that most folks traveling to Ireland will want to go to Dublin at some point in their trip. The Shannon stopover rules have helped to keep it alive but I think that this is now costing Ireland now instead of drawing tourists.

GU



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User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

This is for any of you folks who have any info about Shannon, we start flying there on May 1st and am wondering what there is to do around there. We assume we will be at an airport hotel as we haven't heard anything different yet? What I am wondering about is sightseeing? Grocery stores such as Sainsbury's? Health Clubs? Running Paths? Shopping for the girls? Good restaraunts or pubs in walking distance. Also we are told this flight is going to be year round, is the weather pretty much like London or different. Sorry for so many questions but I figured I'd get more accurate info on here than from the company.

Cheers.
Mike in BOS


User currently offline252MKR From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

There is a picture / monument in the airport bar in Shannon claiming to be the invention point of the "Irish Coffee."


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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

Quoting Meechy36 (reply 19):
What I am wondering about is sightseeing


Its one of the most beautiful parts of Ireland with a lot of interesting history.

Quoting Meechy36 (reply 19):
pubs in walking distance


Its Ireland, I will say no more...lol

Quoting Meechy36 (reply 19):
is the weather pretty much like London or different


It has more and heavier winds, definatly more rain and it is colder than Dublin or London because you are facing the North Atlantic, but over all it is a nice place.
Go to www.tourismireland.com

aerlingus330

[Edited 2005-02-20 06:09:19]


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User currently offlineUndehoulli From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

And that's why CO flies EWR-SNN and EWR-DUB!!! Tonight it's a 762 to DUB, and only flights connecting through DUB to SNN (as far as I could tell). During the summer though I bet they'll be sending those 752's across the pond to SNN and DUB direct from EWR.

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

Quoting Aerlingus330 (reply 16):
Belfast Intl Airport, United Kingdom is 20.3 Miles outside Belfast Centre, this can be confusting to people traveling to the airport from Belfast. But there is an airport in Belfast, Belfast City Airport, I would imagine there would be people going to the wrong airports because of this?


What drivel! Thats like saying an airport has to be in the City Centre for it to hold the name of it's closest City. I ask you, how close do you think London Heathrow is to London, or New York JFK from New York.



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User currently offlineAerLingusA330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

Meechy36 - which airline do you work for? Are you a pilot? Just curious. Thanks

AerLingusA330



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25 SHUPirate1 : 7LBAC111-Ummm, JFK is actually INSIDE of New York City limits. Tough for an airport that is exactly 0 inches from New York City is outside of New York
26 Mdsh00 : SNA comes to mind if you use the "Orange County International Airport" name. I think he meant downtown of each city. So in that case, LHR being near H
27 RootsAir : East midlands is also an airport for a region......as far as i know there is no such city called like that !
28 AirNZ : Aerlingus 330. Very little confusion, if any at all, here in Belfast! The vast majority of pax are very well aware of what airlines/flights depart fro
29 L410Turbolet : I don't know enough about it to judge wherther it's a stupid rule or not. What is the motivation behind forcing airlines to serve certain airport? No
30 YOW : it also applies to Air Canada and Aer Lingus as well (although there isn't a single nonstop between Ireland and Canada, likely for said reason) AC doe
31 Post contains images Thomas_Jaeger : There is only one airport hotel at Shannon which is the Great Southern. There are a couple of other hotels in Shannon and between Shannon and Limeric
32 ChiGB1973 : I have never stayed in a hotel in SNN, proper, there is one around the airport though and there is a Shannon Hotel training school on the grounds and
33 Isitsafenow : In the early and mid 50's TWA used Shannon alot in the flights between NYC and Europe. The equipment then was mostly L 49's, 749's and a handful of 10
34 Post contains links and images Thrust : Isitsafenow, you are exactly correct. In the early 1970s TWA also used Shannon as a major diversion area for LHR flights. Check it out. View Large Vie
35 Post contains images BMI701EGCC : my nan was born in Shannon
36 Britishmidland : SNN makes perfect sense... Ireland can be traversed in 2-3 hrs. by car, coast to coast. With the frequency of tours and tourist destinations, it only
37 Post contains links Feroze : EMA has recently been renamed Nottingham East Midlands Airport http://www.eastmidlandsairport.com/ Regards, Feroze
38 Navairjax : Hence the full name of Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport
39 Gearup : Ireland can be traversed in 2-3 hrs. by car, coast to coast. With the frequency of tours and tourist destinations, it only makes sense. The splitting
40 Thomas_Jaeger : I am sure that Shannon would still see several nonstop transatlantic flights a day even without the stopover rule, especially in summer. Shannon will
41 Post contains links and images MD11Engineer : Ok, guys, I´ve lived and worked in Shannon, County Clare between Summer 1998 and autumn 2000. Shannon is a young, artificial town, founded by the Iri
42 Post contains images Lincoln : Two things: First, you have Los Angeles County which encompases a huge population base outside of the areas you listed including at the southerly lim
43 Stirling : Back to the topic..... I was always slightly amused when flight attendants would say upon arrival, "Welcome to Dallas Fort Worth Texas", saying it as
44 RayChuang : One thing that I'm surprised the Irish government didn't consider many years ago was a high-speed rail service from SNN back to Dublin itself. That wa
45 Lincoln : You know, I'm still amazed that there's a City of Sea-Tac, Washington and probably wouldn't beive it if it weren't for the "Now Entering" and "Now Le
46 Ei2ksea : RayChuang - quite simply Ireland could not have afforded such an option as fast-rail even just 12 years ago. Ireland has experienced huge economic gro
47 Sam the Lab : The Shannon stopover remains the main politically supported perversion in Irish aviation forcing transatlantic airlines to stop there if they wish to
48 Highguy76 : Thanks for the info MD-11 Engineer, I've passed by the sign for the "Shannon Free Zone" every day on my way to the airport, and often wondered what it
49 Sam the Lab : Highguy76, thank you for your interest in Cork Airport. Whilst the stopover stays in place it is hard to see Cork moving forward with transatlantic fl
50 Ei2ksea : Just a point, the Shannon stop affects Dublin but not the other Irish airports. If an airline wishes to serve Cork, Knock, Kerry or any other Irish ai
51 Sam the Lab : The letter of the law and the spirit of law with regard to the Shannon stopover are two very different things and that is how the Irish Department of
52 Murtagh1108 : Just look at the Aer Lingus service to Orlando MCO. The service is a 'charter', and seats can only be booked DublinOrlando. The outbound is nonstop fr
53 Sam the Lab : A perfect example of the perversion. I bet Aer Lingus pay a pretty penny too for that landing everytime at Shannon on the way back to Dublin from Orla
54 NYCFlyer : XNA / Northwest Arkansas is another airport named for a region. Also - the vast majority of airports are not in the "destination city" (like DTW), why
55 MD11Engineer : On the other hand, without the introduction of the Shannon Free Zone and the subsidies for SNN, almost all of the Irish industry would have concentrat
56 Post contains images RayChuang : Well, this is 2005, not the 1980's! Maybe the Irish government--now with more money in their coffers--should consider my suggestion and that way ever
57 Sam the Lab : The title of the thread is - Shannon is NOT a City in Ireland? A question is posed. The answer is - No, Shannon is not a city in Ireland. Yet, such a
58 N1120A : >When you think about it, Los Angeles is more of a region than a city; e.g. Century City, Hollywood, Pomona, Sherman Oaks etc ... I think when people
59 NYCFlyer : with all of its success as the "Celtic Tiger" in the past 10+ years, you'd think the Irish government would understand capitalism and let the free mar
60 Incitatus : An interim rule that would benefit all of Ireland would be to move from 50% Dublin / 50% Shannon to 50% Dublin / 50% non-Dublin. The 3 to 5 years down
61 N1120A : >Did I read on another thread that the gov Kazakhstan is now trying to do something like this too?
62 Vfw614 : Siegerland Airport (SGE) in Germany is named after a region, and so is Niederrhein airport (NRN) - at least it is from time to time in-between stupid
63 Makemineslax : I was always slightly amused when flight attendants would say upon arrival, "Welcome to Dallas Fort Worth Texas", saying it as if it were one individu
64 NYCFlyer : f.a.'s say "welcome to Raleigh-Durham" as well. No big deal. Like DFW, RDU is widely looked on as a single-entity region, comprised of two or more clo
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