Qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5746 posts, RR: 49 Posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9281 times:
seems there is some way to go with the A380.
A380 delays Qantas dogfight
By IAN HUGHES
February 21, 2005
STRESS fractures uncovered during testing of the new Airbus A380 mega-plane may delay an upping of the ante in the battle between Qantas and Singapore Airlines for market share.
According to reports from Germany's Der Spiegel magazine, Airbus engineers have failed to iron out problems encountered in stress tests.
There were "unexpected and significant difficulties" with the rear end of the plane when tests were carried out on it, the magazine quoted an insider as saying.
The landing gear is also causing engineers concern, the magazine reported, adding that the A380's first flight in March could be delayed by weeks.
Qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5746 posts, RR: 49 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9152 times:
sorry, but anything weighing as much as a full A380 hitting the ground at 150kts is going to have trouble, imagine if the Japanese carriers got this on the D market and loaded it with 800 people and there luggage, the stress on landing would almost be to much to bare.
a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
Wukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1013 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9064 times:
Quoting Qantas077 (reply 1): sorry, but anything weighing as much as a full A380 hitting the ground at 150kts is going to have trouble,
That's not a real winning statement. 150kts isn't an excessive airspeed by any means during a touchdown... unless you're talking about a straight vertical descent without lift at 150kts?
Qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5746 posts, RR: 49 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9032 times:
Carpethead
it was a hypothetical, i know that the Japanse carriers will never operate it, they're to involved with boeing, i said "imagine if" if you can't see the hypothetical in that then that's your problem.
[Edited 2005-02-20 23:33:47]
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Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8970 times:
Art, you were quite close - "wiederholt betont" is more along the lines of "repeatedly stated" and not "forcefully repeats" - but the rest of your translation is good.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8950 times:
Isn't the whole point of testing to discover these sorts of problems? I would also think that the media has, as they tend to do, probably blown it out of proportion to some extent.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5540 posts, RR: 40 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8897 times:
Quoting Leskova (reply 8): Art, you were quite close - "wiederholt betont" is more along the lines of "repeatedly stated" and not "forcefully repeats" - but the rest of your translation is good.
Of course you are right Frank, I just thought it won't matter in this context
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8865 times:
Quoting ZRH (reply 11): Of course you are right Frank, I just thought it won't matter in this context
Actually, you're right - it doesn't really matter in this context... I just hadn't seen your reply when I wrote mine, which I wouldn't have posted had I seen yours...
Qantas077, I think the real issue here is: is it really an issue for Airbus, or is it just an issue for the press? In other words - does the problem really exist? Or was it just a slow news day/week?
Qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5746 posts, RR: 49 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8787 times:
well the fact that Airbus sighted this as a reason for the pushing back of the test flight and that it has Airbus, engineers and a customer like Qantas worried says it all.
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Glideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1542 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8666 times:
Actually, I'm surprised any thread on this topic is not deleted from this site.
Let's hope this is not the beginning of a trend Were not talking about major advances in engineering on this airframe. There are no composites in the rear fuselage or gear.
IMO, I think this is going to become a larger story. There is more to the "crash diet" the airframe went on last year than meets the eye, IMO.
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved"
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8495 times:
Wouldn't Qantas have some sort of insurance agreement - that would state that if the delivery of the A380 to Qantas was significantly delayed that QF would be eligible for compensation due to having to alter it's aircraft operations timetable?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8452 times:
IMO, I think this is going to become a larger story. There is more to the "crash diet" the airframe went on last year than meets the eye, IMO.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8409 times:
I am also a bit confused by the reporter's reasoning in tying A380 testing issues together with competition issues between Singapore and Qantas. The tie is pretty thin.
Lockheed1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8252 times:
"Other thread entitled A380 testing problems has been deleted (I think)."
Art,
You are 100% right. It was deleted!
Freedom of speech does not apply when we talk about Airbus.
Deleted, banished, erased, finite................
Tockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 932 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4875 times:
maybe i'm being too positive, but a good engineer wants to encounter some problems during testing. all that these problems indicat to me is that the design is pusing the efficiency envelope -- it is maybe a tiny bit too light or a tiny bit too heavy, too well reinforced, or not reinforced enough.
Well there you have it, take what Der Spiegel said and what Airbus said and average the two, and perhaps there is a problem but not as significant as Der Spiegel made it out to be. A bit simplistic perhaps, I realize, but any project of this size will have sensationalism and spin-doctoring.
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4350 times:
Here's what strikes me as a bit odd in the statement:
"The preliminary findings indicate we are moving in the right direction," said spokesman David Voskuhl on Monday. "No serious problems have been encountered."
An acknowledgment of "non serious problems." Obviously Airbus has mortgaged the farm on this aircraft and is in the middle of a very intense marketing campaign, let alone the chronic Boeing battle. Any "serious problem" with the aircraft would more than likely jeopardize those carriers on the fence about placing an order. I'd like to hear a rebuttal from Der Spiegel before coming to any conclusions.
No doubt the proof will be in the test flight and its ultimate date. Any impact on deliveries will soon be known. Airbus could be in a precarious position. Do we disclose something that really concerns us and alienate potential sales or do we not and if it does turn out major really hurt ourselves?
My gut tells me where there's smoke there's fire. The question is, is it a smoldering low grade fire requiring some unexpected attention or are we talking inferno?
Airbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4192 times:
Quoting Carpethead (reply 4): Qantas077, keep dreaming. There will never be a A380 operating domestic routes.
I wouldn't be every so sure about that Qantas077. I am sure many of us thought that when the 747 came out.....
25 Gigneil: "We are not aware of the problems that the Spiegel is claiming," Voskuhl said. I think that pretty clearly states the position. There's not a major pr
26 TeamREGAL: I'd have to agree with Gigneil...For an aircraft of that immense size and weight, I'm sure "problems" would occur and that's pretty much true for any
27 Cedarjet: All new designs have problems - remember when that 777 had an explosive decompression during a test flight? A huge duct under the cabin blew loose and
28 1MillionFlyer: the CRJ700 test aircraft went into a non-recoverable flat spin and killed 2 people near Tulsa during that airplane's certifcation. If you look at the
29 Art: Not strictly on topic, Cedarjet, but this sounds... um, like you are inferring something about the carriers concerned: (Referring to 777 and A330) "..
30 Brons2: To clarify, that unfortunate accident was not the fault of the airframe. http://www.aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940630-0
31 Cedarjet: 1MillionFlyer, those 727-100 landing accidents weren't "unknown reasons", the pilots flew the planes into the ground by allowing massive rates of desc
32 Aerofan: you know, some wise man once said there are 3 sides to every story. I think I'm going to wait for the truth- while keeping DS story and AB spin in min
33 Sonic67: Of course their will be problems and delays on new AC epically one as big as the 380. Also the media may be making this into a larger problem than it
34 CM767: Are you sure on that?, I do not recall any decompression in flight for the 777, There was one decompression on the ground on the first pressurized te
35 Cedarjet: CM, there was a major decompression event in flight on a 777 during the test phase. Others may know more but it was something to do with a duct, it di
36 OzGlobal: If feel like I'm not in on the joke... Can anyone explain what this has to do with transpacific competition between SQ and QF?
37 Qantas077: OzGlobal, the longer it takes the 380 to get into the air the longer it's going to be before we see the QF vs SQ battle for premium pax and premium ro
38 OzGlobal: I'm sorry, but why? Both airlines fly 744's with similar premium F and J products. The battle could start tomorrow. If it were a question of 744 of S
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