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NW Wants To Fly To Bangalore  
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

NW applied for additional India flying:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050221/cgm009_1.html


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Wow this is really good news. It wasn't that long ago that the only international service to BLR was to SIN. Now there is FRA along with LHR coming and here maybe AMS too. Onward connections to the US are getting better. In addition SQ to SIN and TG to BKK are also newer entrants. I have been to BLR a number of times, and although the current airport is pretty close to the city it is absolutely horrible with its two international gates, there are good opportunities in the future.


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User currently offlineNwacrew From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

This is a long time coming! I was hearing from our Indian agents of a possible service to Bangalore when working NWA's Bombay and Delhi flights in 1997/98. (Though at the time it was supposed the service would be routed across the Pacific and through Kuala Lumpur...)

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Thats great news for NW...I've been saying for the past billion years that aside from expanding into China, AA should try to serve the India/Pakistan region..there are MILLIONS of Indian/Pakistani expatriates/immigrants/citizens in the US. Look at how Air India is expanding...first LAX, and now they will be expanding to SFO......

With Banglore/Delhi quickly becoming the new "Silicone Valley", AA is dumb to not take advantage of it...

obviously it becomes an issue of air rights for AA, but that is something which I don't think should be the biggest of obstacles for them.

At the very least if they have the rights, they might eventually purchase some ETOPS 787's or 777-200LR's which woud be able to fly nonstop from the US to Bangalore and other Indian/Pakistani destinations....

Watch, after 5 years, and the routes are all saturated, AA will say "we have applied to the DOT for flights to the Indian/Pakistan/SubAsian region"...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

Jacobin 777,

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

American has been very aggressive in its Latin American and European routes but it seems to be passed in new routes to Asia/Indian Subcontinent by NW and Delta.

Oh well, they will be the ones punished when all other airlines are reaping money from the Indian customer base in North America.



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

with work having begun on new BLR airport, it won't be long before it is able to accommodate more carrier. Everybody is welcome and I hope folks at UA and AA are listening.
rgds
Aseem



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (reply 3):
With Banglore/Delhi quickly becoming the new "Silicone Valley", AA is dumb to not take advantage of it...


Are you saying that Banglore and Delhi have a plethora of women that have had breast augmentation surgery? Sounds like they have more in common with California than the IT industry.  Innocent



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User currently offlineGamps From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Really really great news. (for East coasters)

Roseflyer - I also remember the days when there were no International ops out of Bangalore. And first service if I remember was Air India to Singapore. And now we have Lufthansa, Singapore, Malaysian, Thai, Sri Lankan, Royal Nepal Airlines, Gulf Air, Air India, Indian Airlines - and BA starting Ops soon. Non-stop destinations served:

Singapore (SQ, IC)
Kuala Lumpur
Bangkok
Frankfurt
London (soon)
Bahrain/Muscat
Dubai
Kathmandu
Colombo
London, Frankfurt, Los Angeles, Chicago, JFK (Air India via BOM, with same plane service on some days of the week)

And Emirates almost got the permission if not for diplomatic issue between India and Dubai over Dawood/underworld. Nevertheless Emirates is starting a freighter service next month I believe. Qatar CEO recently mentioned they want to fly to Bangalore as well.

Just can't believe how fast BLR is growing and everyone wants to fly there. Sadly though the Departure and Arrival is unbelievably messy affair especially at midnight when heavies arrive/depart. Hope the new airport work starts soon.


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

Long term, Chennai and/or Hyderebad are going to emerge as similarly important high tech centres as Bangalore. with Open skies between the US and India about to become reality, US carriers will have an adavantage finances permitting to corner the South Indian market.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

"Atmx2000.....lol...you got me on that one....though I used spell checker, I should have caught that error.....rather pathetic given that I live in the Bay Area too....

OK..how about this...

"With Banglore/Delhi quickly becoming the new "SILICON Valley", AA is dumb to not take advantage of it...  Big grin

Texdravid..I have no idea what AA is doing regarding their expansion, I would get a laugher if either DL/CO got the rights to fly to China in '05 and '06.

AA is WAAAAAAYYYY behind the curve.......too bad because I would use them exclusively to fly to that part of the world as I do almost every year.

Though there are some political problems in Pakistan, Pan Am did use to fly to Karachi, in fact, I flew Pan Am there....

regardless...India has HUGE potential.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

That's one of the huge reasons to look forward to the new BLR airport. The present airport is ok to handle a few international flights at a time, but as everyone knows its pretty pathetic (still beats going through other bigger airports, proving the sad state of Indian affairs)

BLR is undoubtedly underserved, and demand will only go up up and up in the coming years. Enough transiting, the top 6-7 Indian airports can handle direct flights and have no need whatsoever to stopover in BOM or anywhere.

Incidentally, let’s hope Hyderabad, Pune etc catch up in the industry (but not overtake Smile) I have a lot of expectations from BLR, HYD and Chennai in the coming years.

Too bad it’s not continental

-Nikhil



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32628 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5843 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (reply 3):
AA is dumb to not take advantage of it...

obviously it becomes an issue of air rights for AA, but that is something which I don't think should be the biggest of obstacles for them.


Who said AA won't take advantage of flying to India? Maybe not BLR, but don't be surprised to see AA flying to India in 2-3 years. There aren't any air right issues, because the US and India now have Open Skies. There has been some talk about AA flying to India (I've heard via Brussels), and it could happen by the end of 2006.



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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5823 times:

Go Skyteam!! With NW, KL, AF and DL having or starting service to BOM, DEL, BLR, or MAA, it makes it much easier for my parents to visit every part of bthe family!!

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

This is exciting - any word on the aircraft type they plan to use? Or on the proposed timings on the flight? This would be a much needed boost to the BLR-> US connectivity, and would help minimize the hellish transit through our BOM/DEL "hubs".


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

I agree with MAH4546. American's chief problem is that they do not have same kind of European partnership that NWA has in KLM. I do not think neglect is a fair appraisal of American's strategies in Asia. Had American received anti-trust immunity with British Airways, then the situation would have been entirely different.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

I don't agree with you guys/gals, I believe AA management has been slow to react....just look at the way they have responded to market conditions the past 12-18 months....they have been slow and unthorough. AA should have been on this YEARS ago (also on China)....

If AA was to ever fly to India/Paksitan, they would be much better off doing it via LHR.....in fact, 1/2 the West End of London (i.e. Slough, Middlesex, etc.) and East End have Indian/Pakistani population...of course, that would be butting heads with OneWorld partner BA (in Paksitan,BA only flies to Islamabad, I actually flew LHR-ISB once on a VC-10..still remember that flight...was awesome!), but maybe those two can figure something out.....and there is more than enough pax.

That being said, AA would do best if they flew 777-200LR's or 787's nonstop.......



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32628 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (reply 15):
I don't agree with you guys/gals, I believe AA management has been slow to react....just look at the way they have responded to market conditions the past 12-18 months....they have been slow and unthorough.


Hmmm...yet they are in much better financial shape than US Airways, United, and Delta.

Quote:
AA should have been on this YEARS ago (also on China)....


Look at China? AA applied for rights to fly to China a few years ago, but they, along with Delta, lost to Northwest and United. They aren't slow. US-China is an access limited market. How in the world is it AA's fault they are not flying to China?

Quoting Jacobin777 (reply 15):
If AA was to ever fly to India/Paksitan, they would be much better off doing it via LHR.....


There are heavy restrictions in the US-UK bilateral, and while AA could get the rights to fly LHR-India (UA has them), it wouldn't be that easy.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

Jacobin777,

But I think one should consider that AA has been struggling to stay out of chapter 11. I think their priorities and energies have been focused in the right place. They have been adding flights in areas where they are traditionally strong: Latin America and within the United States. Other carriers have done the same in areas of strength.

It is only within the last year or two that the U.S.-China bilateral was liberalized enough to allow meaningful new entry. The previous time the U.S. and China signed a deal, UPS got the new traffic rights to the exclusion of passenger airlines. I believe that U.S-India open skies was signed sometime last month.

I disagree with you that American would have much to gain by flying "VFR" traffic between the UK and the Indian subcontinent. UK, Indian, and Pakistani airlines would have an insurmountable advantage in carrying that segment of the market. I would bet that the impetus for NWA is not so-called "ethnic traffic" but business travelers.


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

I remember back in 1990 AA had an actual functioning office in Madras. I wanted to get a new timetable because this was the period of time that AA was increasing Miami flights as Eastern and Pan Am were beginning to fade. (Though PA was still increasing the size of the Miami hub). I went to the AA ticket office at Gemmni while on Summer Vacation in India and knew exactly what AA flights I'd have when coming home!

AA has long been a leader in finding alliances with smaller carriers in Europe, the Middle East and Asia to enhance services. Starting in 1991 AA had a codeshare arrangement with Gulf Air. These days AA places its code on several SN Brussels and Swiss Int'l flights outside of the One World alliance.

AA's smart assement of market circumstances may explain why they are not United or Delta right now from a financial standpoint.


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

Keep in mind also that DL and NW need to pursue the South Indian markets on their own because the European airlines they are alligned with (Air France and KLM) do not serve Chennai or Bangalore. United and American's allies do.

User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3765 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

I gotta say, airlines from the US have largely ignored huge international markets. Sure, you have Northwest with the "Fugu"-hub at NRT, you have Continental Micronesia, there's Delta's and Continental's pretty extensive European networks.

But if you look at United, USAirways and AA they hardly serve a handful of destinations world wide. Delta has 1 (!) flight to East Asia (NRT). As far as I know, USAirways don't even fly further east than Hawaii, and none of the US carriers fly to Africa or the Middle East! Only Delta serves Moscow.

I remember a time when Northwest, TWA and PAN AM served all four corners of the globe. Sure, they used DC-8s and 707s with smaller capacity than, say, B747s or B777s...

I want to see more birds from the US!!! Who's with me?



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Quoting Doona (reply 20):
But if you look at United, USAirways and AA they hardly serve a handful of destinations world wide.


United has a very extensive Asian network. They have a hub in NRT just like NW does and competes on a lot of the same routes. NW does serve some smaller Asian markets with dedicated narrowbody flights in Asia, but UA still has a large presence in Asia by serving NRT, KIX, PEK, PVG, HKG, SIN, BKK along with SYD and MEL.

AA has a huge Latin American network from their hubs in MIA and SJU. They serve all of the large cities in South America and are the number one carrier there now. AA also has a number of flights to Europe serving Shannon, Dublin, Glasgow, Manchester, London, Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels, Zurich, Madrid and Rome.

The only one that you mentioned that doesn't have a large international network is US. They don't have a very deep domestic network either and are focused on the eastern half of the USA and don't even fly as West as Hawaii, so don't think that they are a major airline that should be serving the world. They do have a European network though that is fed from the East coast, but nothing major since US isn't the biggest airline.

US airlines don't have the international service now that they did way back when. It used to be that Pan Am was one of the only airlines in the entire Pacific and therefore operated service to everywhere with all sorts of connections. With every country in the modern world having its own airline(s), there is no need for this excessive service since the market for that is gone.

I still do agree though that more US airlines should serve India and South Asia. It is very far and expensive though as well as risky. Nonstops are hard to operate now with the given equipment in the fleets. The few flights through Europe are all we have. I would also like to see UA or NW operate a flight to India from their NRT hubs. I think there could be a merket for that, but overall someone needs to start a nonstop.

Overall though I am with you in that I want to see more US airlines abroad along with more flying of everything if there is a market for it, but that is because I am an aviation fan.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

not complaining, but has anyone ever seen an "article" that looked so exactly like a re-printed press release? northwest couldn't have asked for a better translation of their corporate language onto the page.

User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (reply 21):
The only one that you mentioned that doesn't have a large international network is US.



Us actually flies to more European cities than AA or UA and more cities in Latin American than anyone but AA and CO. They are late bloomers when it comes to an Int'l network but with more emphasis on European flights from Philadelphia and Latin American flights from Fort Lauderdale and Charlotte.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32628 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Quoting Kkfla737 (reply 23):
and more cities in Latin American than anyone but AA and CO.


Delta flies to more Latin American cities than US Airways does. US Airways Latin American network is limited only to Mexico and Central America.

Quoting Doona (reply 20):
But if you look at United, USAirways and AA they hardly serve a handful of destinations world wide.


Check your facts. Only CO serves more international destinations than AA, who flies to large, medium, and small size cities throughout Latin America and the Caribbean, including they only international trans-continental airline at airports such as Asunion, La Paz, and Santa Cruz.

Quoting Doona (reply 20):
As far as I know, USAirways don't even fly further east than Hawaii,


They don't fly to Hawai'i.

Quoting Doona (reply 20):
and none of the US carriers fly to Africa or the Middle East!


Continental is starting Lagos service later this year and they already fly to Tel Aviv. The lack of US airline in the region is that there is simply not enough demand. Would you like US airlines to magically create that demand? Africa is to Europe what Latin America is to the US, and it is not surprising to note the lack of European service to major Latin American capitals such as Lima, Bogota, and Santiago de Chile. Thin demand and distance, just like why US carriers aren't in Africa!

Quoting Doona (reply 20):
Only Delta serves Moscow.


Continental is starting Moscow service next year.



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25 Flying Belgian : I can't agree more with you !! And those carriers are for most of them engaged in silly domestic fare wars with budget carriers. It's all profit for
26 Gigneil : CO serves TLV. I don't think that's true. N
27 Kkfla737 : I took the liberty of including the Carribean with L.A., but Mark you are right if we stick to the technical Latin American definition. While I believ
28 DIJKKIJK : A good idea would be to extend NWA's BOS-AMS A330 service to Bangalore. BOS is home to many IT companies and so is Bangalore. A connection between the
29 Boeing757/767 : Actually, DIJKKIJK, There will be a connection with Boston. The flight number goes MSP-AMS-Bangalore, with a stop and probable equipment change at AMS
30 Aseem : I'd suggest they better do equipment change. Lot more connections that way. Add YYZ as well!! rgds Aseem
31 Jano : My hunch is it's gonna be run in the same way as NW 41/42 and 45/46 are run. From NW schedule: NW 42 Stops Amsterdam - Schiphol for 3 hr. 45 min.
32 MAH4546 : US Airways Latin American Network: MEX, CUN, CZM, GUA, SAL, PTY, SJO, LIR, SDQ, PUJ, LRM TOTAL: 11 Delta's Latin American Network: MEX, CUN, CZM, GUA
33 Lfutia : are they going to ops to BLR with a DC-10 or an A330?
34 PSU.DTW.SCE : If this route were to begin in October, it would likely start initially with a DC-10-30, similar to the AMS-BOM flights. Once enough A330-300's are de
35 Post contains images Stealthpilot : I hope DC-10, because nobody else does -Nikhil
36 Burnsie28 : US Airlines cant fly to Delhi due to the route that it would have to take over Afghanistan. Thats why UA dropped and NW shifted it to KLM.
37 Jetjack74 : Well we dropped out of AMS-DEL after 9/11. KL continued to operate it. DEL was a weaker market than BOM. We operated it daily and KL piggybacked 3 ti
38 Redtailmsp : Lfutia, the service will be using A330-300s out of AMS - don't anyone get all excited about A330's operating the MSP-AMS portion just yet, as that is
39 Stealthpilot : Redtailmsp: I thought the runway at BLR was 10,800 feet. I agree it's almost 3000 MSL, but it’s strange that a DC10 cannot make it when an a343 and
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