Nwa744 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 70 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8766 times:
I was wondering about possible airline jobs for college students during the summer. I'm very interested in aviation and was seriously considering becoming a pilot before the events of September 11 and the financial problems that resulted for the airlines. These events helped sway me to go into another career I am interested in, engineering. Now I'm a student at the University of Michigan in engineering, but the fact that I am studying this does not diminish my love for aviation.
My home is not far from Detroit Metro Airport, which as you well know is also one of Northwest's hubs. What kind of positions, if any, would there be for a young college student to work at the airport over the summer. I understand from a search of previous posts that most jobs require some training, and often an airline would not want to invest that time and money in you for just a summer, but what if you planned to return another summer? Are jobs such as gate agents available to college students? I think I would be very good in a customer service type job. If anyone knows any details specific to NWA that would be especially helpful.
I understand that this is a tough time for airlines financially, but was wondering if anyone felt that a job at the airport over the summer was feasible. I am in very good standing with my previous job, in which I performed assistant manager type roles. I have many qualifications school-wise too. I would love to have work experience with an airline, but know that the circumstances are mostly against me. On Northwest's website, they offer internships for Juniors or Seniors, but nothing for a younger, Sophomore college student.
Could my chances be increased because Metro is NW's hub?
Any thoughts and help on this topic are greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time!
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8745 times:
I had a buddy a few years back who pushed wheelchairs around DTW for Prospect.
Anyways, the only people who would be hiring at DTW for anything would be Mesaba. They regularly are looking for CSA's and rampers. However, they are generally looking for something longer than just the summer. Then again, turnover is so high in those positions to begin with.
NW, and any of the network carriers are not hiring anyone. Maybe Spirit, but I really am not familiar with their operations.
Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3547 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8726 times:
I'm not sure if NWA flies into Ann Arbor (im assuming they do if there is a market for it) and i don't want to look it up, but if they do and you'd be willing to work during the school year you may want to mention that to them.
Kevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8722 times:
You could probably get a part-time job on the ramp. At AA we used to have kids come in for the summer and help out around the terminal. They would help the agents board airplanes and provide assistance to PAX. I'm not sure if they still do this or not since I've been flying Int'l for a while and it seemed to be something they were doing at domestic stations. Plus, those kids were so young, it may have been a high school thing. You could also try working for a contractor like SkyChefs, or Signature Flight Support. You'd get to be around airplanes all day. I used to cater for SkyChefs before I became a FA for AA. It was fun. Anyway, good luck!!!
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Jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8719 times:
Airlines are unlikely to hire someone for a temporary period, especially if it is just a few months. It would not be worth their investment to train you in which would likely take up most of the summer anyways just for you leave the company shortly after. Even if you were to return the next summer, the airline would be still have to send you to the FAA required training again and do all the new hire stuff, thus costing them more money.
So unless the position specifies it is a temporary position, it is unlikely an airline will hire you knowing you would leave at the end of the summer.
As for me, I haven't had problems working part time for an airline as a gate agent and going to school. As I have gained seniority, my shifts allow me to work around my school schedule.
It never hurts to apply though and see what happens. However, if you are looking for a temporary summer job in aviation, you would likely have a better chance with an FBO.
ORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8702 times:
I'm a college student as well. As the others above have indicated, it is pretty tough to land an airline job for just the summer because of the training involved. Nevertheless, it is still possible. I was lucky enought to get a part time ramp job at MDW last summer. Because of the limited hours the pay was peanuts, but it was a great experience. I found the job by just browsing through airline websites.
I think your best bet would be to check out Northwest/Mesaba's website in the employment section and see if they are hiring. If they are you could call them and explain the situation and see if they would be willing to hire you for just the summer. Its worth a try
Also, be sure to start looking now because as summer gets closer there will be many more students looking for work and the few jobs that might be available will disappear.
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8690 times:
Quoting Jkudall (reply 4): As for me, I haven't had problems working part time for an airline as a gate agent and going to school. As I have gained seniority, my shifts allow me to work around my school schedule.
How did that work when you were at the bottom of the food chain and how long did it take you to move up?
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12323 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8682 times:
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Nwa744, as mentioned above, XJ is usually hiring. If you live close enough to DTW that you can go to school and work part time, you would have a great time. I did the same thing at MSP, going to school, and working at XJ.(90 miles each way..). And...now I'm trying to get a job there again, going to one of their open houses on Sunday.
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Jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8654 times:
Quoting FLAIRPORT (reply 6): How did that work when you were at the bottom of the food chain and how long did it take you to move up?
I was lucky to get hired at the beginning of a big hiring "upsurge". This immediatley gave me a little seniority. Since then a lot of people have retired and a lot of new people have been added. As of now, I am probably somewhere towards the middle on my seniority list. However, my willingness to work evenings helps boost it a little as it is more junior.
If I were to get hired today, I would not be in a good position at all to pick my schedule as there isn't a lot of hiring going on.
Greenguy01 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8593 times:
When I was in college I worked full time on the ramp at ISP when I was home for the summer. It was with the FBO on the field that had a contract with Spirit (when they flew there), Continental Express, and Delta Express, Comair + ASA. That was definitely one of the best summers that I've had. The hours were hard and the job was physically demanding but I was able to be around jets all day and I got one heck of a workout. I would definitely suggest a job on the ramp for anyone in college looking for a summer job!
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Jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8569 times:
Quoting NWA744 (reply 9): What kind of training and how much is necessary for these types of jobs?
Depends on the airline. There is some training that is required by the FAA and a minimum number of hours of training must be completed. I got hired as a ramp agent and later transferred to Customer Svc. For the ramp, the on the job training spanned about three weeks and overall there was about a week of classroom stuff (spread out).
Customer Service training is longer. There was three weeks of classroom stuff and almost a month (if I remember right) of on the job training.
Again, training varies from airline to airline.
Quoting NWA744 (reply 9): What kind of work does a ramp job involve actually?
Again, this depends on the airline and location. I work at a hub so it is much different than working at an out station where you might be cross utilized.
Generally, ramp agents load/unload bags, cargo, and mail. They deliver bags to the baggage carousels or at some airports transfer bags to other flights and/or airlines. They also park incoming aircraft and push back planes for departure. They complete the cargo load report and turn it in to the captain so he or she can complete the manifest. Depending on the airline, ramp agents may also be responsible for servicing the aircraft lavatories (not fun), supplying potable water, de-icing, and other miscellaneous duties.
NWA744 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8464 times:
OK, one more post.
What about in the tower? Are there any types of jobs that could be done there?
If you had another job over the summer, does anyone know if any airlines provide any "unpaid" internship type positions, where you could come in and work for the airline without getting paid? Something where you could get the experience of working at an airport without having to have them pay you? A way to gain work experience and be around an airport, per se.
Hjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8436 times:
It's funny that this forum was created because I was planning on asking many of the same questions myself, as I too am a college student at the University of Michigan. However, my interests differ slightly, whereas I am more interested in the aspects of managing and running an airport rather than working for an airline. Although both are very intersting. I was wondering how one would go about finding a job at an airport, working for the actual entity rather than an airline. Any feedback would be apreciated. My email address is firstname.lastname@example.org
Codasco From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8380 times:
I'm interested in the same thing also. I'd like to work at STL, though IND would be possible too (going to DePauw University). Here's the kicker though: there is no (legal) way I could be a ramper. I have a genetic sight disorder and just barely miss the cutoff for driving (though my sight is good enough that it is not disabling), so it would be a cold cold day in hell when an airline would allow me to drive tugs, etc. So, I would have to be a CSA or F/A (would require looking past some stereotypes about male F/A's)....maybe even SkyCap (...on second though, I'd rather not). I would be able to work summer, fall break, thanksgiving, Christmas break, and spring break---basically 2 week pockets every couple of moths plus summer. Any possibility at all?? Anything is better than checking groceries at a Shop 'n Save (except maybe skycap)!!!
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4522 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8252 times:
Two years ago, I applied for, and was accepted to, an internship program at US Airways, working at the CCY headquarters. I decided not to take it once I saw that I'd have to take a 5% paycut upon joining due to the Iraq War, but IME, most of the summer college work at airlines involves working at the headquarters/offices vice at the airport itself.
GOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4410 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8234 times:
Doesn't look too good for you...Your best best is with a regional carrier since they are hiring limited positions, mainly full-time. Most major airline are looking for manager or supervisor position which requires experience to lead your crew. Just check all the airlines websites for job listings prior to the summer and you might get what you want, no guarantee, tho. Your best bet as a college student is getting a part time job as a waiter at your local restaurant.
Neilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8198 times:
Generally with internships, airlines/airports look fro Jr. or Sr. in an Aviation program. I know you can get a management job once out of college with a Business degree, but while in college since there are limited spots they tend to be for Aviation students. Also many airlines/airporta have contracts with aviation colleges saying we will have internships for 4 students and you must supply them. So the colleges have a required Jr. or Sr. internship. They kind of work hand in hand. I would try for a FBO job or something until you have the credentials from your University.
BHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8182 times:
NWA744, Im now in the same boat as you....
just found out 15minutes ago Im being made redundant as of.. well... now
so I too am now looking for a job...
im In birmingham, UK.... any offers ? haha...
ok I have to go cry...