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Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?  
User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Just wondering if in the post 9/11 world if airline dispatchers can still jump seat? Or when dispatchers do jump seat it is more of a don't ask don't tell situation.

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User currently offlineACYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

maybe its different in the states, but in Canada, you must be an active company employee.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Active dispatchers can jumpseat on their own airlines... The dispatcher's ability to jumpseat on other airlines will come back in earnest once their airline participates in a program that allows airlines to verify employment and JS eligibility...

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25358 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Active dispatchers can still jumpseat offline, however are assigned cabin seats just like off line pilots per the carriers jump seat agreements.

The FAA has begun the implementation of a program that opens up cockpit jumpseats again to offline crew members.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Yes.
Out here any Licenced Personnel in an Airline can Jump seat.A list of Authorised personnel is Issued to all concerned.Renewed Frequently.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

FAA already has the system of varification of employment up and running, we have access to it using AOP systems at NW.. HOWEVER, not many other carriers do yet, so the list of carriers now allowed to try to sit back up front is still small, restricted to those of like UPS, AA, FedEx and just a handful of others... More will come online soon I'm sure. As far as dispatchers jumpseating... not only do they ride up front sometimes... but by FARs they Have to ride up front a certain number of times each year on their carrier.... I'm not in dispatch so I can't answer the more specifics of it... but sure one of them could for you...

-Chris



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User currently offline252MKR From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

Licensed Dispatchers should jumpseat "the line," and pilots should help in Dispatch on a rotational basis. This would let pilots get on the ground for a time--get Dispatchers out of the office--giving everyone more data points when decision making.

When someone is in the actual jumpseat they are briefed as part of the flight crew--and an extra pair of eyes is always appreciated.



"...If I'm here, and you're here--doesn't that make it our time?" Jeff Spicoli
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

>>>but by FARs they Have to ride up front a certain number of times each year on their carrier

The minimum requirement is 5 hours of cockpit observation time each year, taken in the same month as one's recurrent training month although individual airlines may have more extensive requirements.

I had training this last week, and have to finish my 5 hours bu the end of the 28th, so I'll be doing some flying this weekend...  Big grin


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6029 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

My company wants us to go beyond the minimum, but it's not required.

Look that is this way, OPNL -- at least you won't have to worry about getting kicked off a flight with NO alternate, let alone WITH an alternate. No, we are not given priority.



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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

It is good news to see that dispatchers will be able to sit j/s on other
carriers, especially for someone like me who is going to hopefully get
my dx licence in the next couple of months.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

>>> especially for someone like me who is going to hopefully get
my dx licence in the next couple of months.

Well, just to make sure that you're aware, just getting the license doesn't allow you in the JS. You still have to be an active dispatcher with the airline, and being an airline employee (in some other capacity) with a license doesn't qualify...


>>>My company wants us to go beyond the minimum, but it's not required.

We used to do three days, but our labor group and the company agreed to cut it down to two. Personally, I still make it a point to do three, and intentionally seek out thunderstorm days, fog days, and winter ops days, since all three create distinctly different operating challenges....


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6029 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

I would love to do that same, except that it's so damn hard to get on a plane when it's not 10 and clear. :P


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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

OPNLguy,

Thanks for the heads up, but I was already aware of what you stated above.
However your idea to do your cockpit obs time during IROP situations is an
excellent way to see how it is handled out in the field.



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User currently offlineAtcrick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4425 times:
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Licensed Dispatchers should jumpseat "the line," and pilots should help in Dispatch on a rotational basis. This would let pilots get on the ground for a time--get Dispatchers out of the office--giving everyone more data points when decision making.

When someone is in the actual jumpseat they are briefed as part of the flight crew--and an extra pair of eyes is always appreciated.

252MKR,

Well said. I especially liked the part about the pilots helping out in Dispatch from time to time. While most fllight crews are cool, there are those that seem to think that their flight is the only flight the Dispatcher is involved with. It would help them to see all the things dispatchers do, and how many have absolutely NOTHING to do with flights.

ATC Rick



natch!!
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

I too would like to see more of flight crews within the office. As is the case in many offices, what little time they spend is usually a "gee-whiz look at all the computers" kind of PR walk-thru that lasts about 5-10 minutes. If they spent 5 -hours- sitting in with me on a shift to observe (as I do, on the flight deck) they'd come away with a much better understanding of (1) what I do, (2) what hoops I have to jump through to do it, and (3) what they could do "on the line" to help optimize the overall process from their end.

Someday....  Big grin


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

I think all airline positions should get to spend a few hours minimum in other airline positions observing... like flight attendants should see what goes on at the gate, pilots on the ramp, rampers as flight attendants... etc.. etc... etc... if everyone had just a better understanding of what goes on in the shoes of their fellow employees the whole operation might be a little more tolerant and respectful to each others needs and actually might function more efficiently...

-Chris



"Sonny, did we land? or were we shot down?"
User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

ThePinnacleKid,

PeopleExpress had a similar policy to what you proposed when they were in
business like pilots on the ramp or flight attendants taking reservations etc.
The only position that did not do this "cross utilization" was dispatch for the
obvious reasons.



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

yeah, if I remember right, back pre 9/11 at American we had a program called something like "Walk a Mile" where you "walked a mile" in someone elses shoes.. we had a few flight attendants spend the day on the ramp, and pilots joined the rampers, etc... just to see the jobs.. it was really really unique.. but I left AA after about a year when I moved away from dfw to go to school... not sure if it continued past 9/11 or if it was sacrificed... the little over 3 yrs now at pinnacle I have never heard of us having any kind of cross job role exposure.. never really looked into it though here...

-Chris



"Sonny, did we land? or were we shot down?"
User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

I hope this isn't out of line, but what are the job prospects for a newly licensed dispatcher? If he/she is willing to relocate anywhere and wages are not an issue.

Thanks



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6029 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

The prospects are great. There are two sides of the con here -- higher wages vs. lifestyle. I chose higher wages in exchange for living in a small city. It's nice, yes, but can get boring if you are a party person.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

>>>LPLAspotter

Here's some wage/benefit info that may help you and others that may be looking. There's also a link to a DXBOARD, although it doen't see the level of message traffic that the Yahoo! Group (that I mentioned earlier) does...

http://wdff.homeip.net/


User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

Any chance we will see FAM flights for air traffic controllers again?

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