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Do Pilots Smoke In The Cockpit?!?  
User currently offlinePOR2GAL From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16518 times:

Hi all,

Does anyone know of or heard of some Pilots deciding to break a rather important in-flight rule/law, by having a smoke in the cockpit, or elsewhere in the aircraft for that matter?

I'm curious after seeing this photo (excellent photo BTW):


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I'm pondering why there is a pack of cigs sitting in the Captain's storage, in a rather "easily accessible" manner.

If the Captain had no intention of "accessing" his cigs during the flight (in an A340 no less, probably a long haul), why would he/she even have it in the cockpit like that?

 Wink/being sarcastic

Xiao!


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16457 times:

AFAIK, the FAA still allows smoking in the cockpit, though in the US nearly all airlines have policies prohibiting it. WN was (perhaps still is?) an exception because Herb Kelleher suffers from a serious nicotine addiction.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16450 times:
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In U.S. airspace smoking is prohibited. I would imagine if the pilot got caught he would be fired.


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User currently offlinePOR2GAL From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16427 times:

Does the FAA allow smoking in the aircraft depending on the origin of the flight / aircraft or where it's positioned (international airspace)?

I thought it was a global aviation law/rule that no smoking at anytime was permitted aboard an aircraft.

Am I wrong?

Xiao!

[Edited 2005-02-22 07:29:10]


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User currently offlineACYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16395 times:

i seem to remember a number of years ago on an AA flight to San Juan, out of miami, that there was smoking allowed. Though that was some 10 years ago.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16362 times:

Any US aircraft flying within the United States smoking is prohibited, once airlines decided to go all non-smoking, they may have just made it a law. As for smoking in the cockpit in that pic, I sure as hell wouldnt want to fly anymore, could you imagine how bad that would be, let alone how much of a health risk.


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16328 times:

First of all, the pilot, in this case the Captain, wouldn't get fired. That isn't an offense that warrants that at all.

Yes, smoking is prohibited by all airlines. However, then there is the real world. Just as some pax will try to sneak a smoke, some pilots will too.

I don't smoke, never have, but grew up with parents who were extremely heavy smokers, so I do sympathize. I have had pilots ask if they could grab a quick smoke, especially on the 14+ hour flights.

Sure it's a health risk, but being 50+, what isn't these days. I'd rather have someone who can concentrate on the flying versus someone who is craving for a smoke.


User currently offlinePOR2GAL From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16302 times:

It's called the patch, or chewing tobacco.

I'd be a little worried if I found out my Captain wasn't focused because of an addiction....

Xiao!



Spotters, Inc.
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16260 times:

Am I the only one that notices that the captain is sleeping and the F/o is taking the pic?

User currently offlinePOR2GAL From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16247 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (reply 8):
Am I the only one that notices that the captain is sleeping and the F/o is taking the pic?


 Laugh out loud

I hope the Captain is just slouched over for the F/O to take the pic without obstruction!!

 Big thumbs up

Xiao!



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16229 times:

POR2GAL,

Would you be worried if you found out your FO wasn't focused? I suggest you keep that in mind. As a Captain, it is my perrogative to make those kinds of decisions. That's what I get paid for. Personally, I think chewing tobacco is just about the worst substance know to man. I'd take 2nd hand smoke any day.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16141 times:

Hmm........

Well if this policy holds true for US Airspace, what would happen in countries like Japan or Korea?

There, smoking is almost like a norm. I have heard of some strict policies but I always wondered if pilots didn't smoke in the cockpit.

I am a smoker myself and trust me, its a pain on 10 or 11 hour flights. I have a horrible headache by the time I get off the ac. I don't know about pilots but if they are originally smokers and they are concentrating that much, I would reckon that some of them will DESPERATELY want to smoke.



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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16114 times:

Of course they do smoke... I know of a lot of pilots who are heavy smokers and they smoke in the cockpit... of course most of them ask their co-pilots if they would mind...

keep in mind... once the doors are closed and the aircraft is airborne it is kind of autonomous... and the cpt. is the big guy up there...


User currently offlineGabrielz From United States of America, joined May 2004, 75 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16076 times:

Umm, to reiterate a previous post:

FAA regulations do not prohibit pilots from smoking in the cockpit, nor the crew from smoking in crew rest areas. Only pax areas are smoke free, according to the regs.

The airlines have their own rules about what's allowed vis-a-vis smoking in the cockpit, but it is not the law.

As for smoking rules on non-US carriers in US airspace: yes, US regulations extend to non-US carriers whose origin or destination is the US. Aeroflot tried to get an exemption to this rule a few years back and pretty much failed. In the EU, I believe the rule is that scheduled carriers may not allow smoking, though charter carriers may (at their discretion) - but there was some talk that this rule had been amended.



User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16052 times:

Even in the US Non-US charter carriers are still allowed to offer smoking flights... or at least they still were allowed about 2 years back... Condor still offered Smoking Flights to the US until December 2003 I think!

L1011Lover


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15872 times:

I've flown jump seat on a couple of Mediterranean based airlines where the pilots spent almost all of the flight smoking !


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3769 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15833 times:

I get the feeling that perhaps somewhere in the CIS there might be a flightcrew or two lighting up in the cockpit. As far as I know, most airlines there don't yet prohibit smoking onboard A/C... Plus, for those of you who have tried Russian cigarettes, they're not your marlboro or camel or whatever! They're packed to the brim with tar and about three times the amount of neuro-toxins that we speak so ill of in the western world... So who would like their pilot sucking down those during a heavy crosswind final approach???


Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15786 times:

Ask this guy, he probably knows the law.


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Here is the evidence you wanted, pilots do smoke in the cockpit.

Whether it is allowed is a different issue.

Regds.


User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15663 times:

So BY LAW smoking is allowed in the cockpit, but not the cabin? Don't you think pax would nothing, though, if the capt was smoking in the cockpit?

User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15582 times:

I have not seen pilots smoke in the cockpit of passenger flights. However I have seen on several occasions cargo pilots smoking in the flightdeck.

User currently offlineSU From Russia, joined Apr 2004, 360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15530 times:

Took a flight from Kiev to Moscow Domodedovo on Sibir last year in November. It was Tu-154B-2. During taxiing, after we landed, the flight engineer came out of the cockpit and HUGE cloud of smoke came out with him. (I was sitting in the first row and could see it) and on my way out of the plane I looked into the opened cockpit door and both pilots were smoking right there...


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User currently offlineJetboyTWA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 389 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15501 times:

Does all this smoke cause any problems to the many avionics and electrical equipment in the flight deck?

-Ryan


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15363 times:

LOT Polish Airline pilots do smoke in the cockpit on transatlantic flights. And sometimes flying LOT you will get flight attendant that stinks like she just eate ashtray.

Rafal


User currently offlineXpat From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15337 times:

Back in 1999 I was on an MH flight LAX-NRT-KUL and smoking was allowed. At that time MH permitted smoking on flights to and from Japan. On the way back, KUL-TPE-LAX smoking was not permitted.

Not sure what their policy is now.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15270 times:

Smoking is Prohobited,But in my previous Workplace there were quite a Few Pilots that were smokers.
In the Current Airline,there are Tobacco chewers Though  Sad .Screwing up the Boom mike.
I know a Pilot who when He tries to talk to Anyone,People stand besides him rather than Accross to avoid a pray of Chewed Tobacco flying around.
 Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
25 September11 : I hope there's ashtrays installed in cockpits for pilots' use...
26 POR2GAL : I mean, there's stuff like Nicorette too. I do appreciate though, that gum may not help much. This has shed light on my concern. Thanks all! I guess i
27 767-332ER : Well, the first picture...it is after all a Spanish crew and spanish are definitely known for smoking quite heavily..so I would assume that possibly h
28 Boeing767-383 : it's an MD-83 from Spirit Airlines.....
29 Morvious : Ok, this would be a little extreme. But I wouldn't mind if my captain is smoking in the cockpit when enroute! If he doesn't light the cockpit on fire
30 N1120A : >Does the FAA allow smoking in the aircraft depending on the origin of the flight / aircraft or where it's positioned (international airspace)?So BY L
31 Post contains links and images Aeromexico757 : here is another pic View Large View MediumPhoto © Marlo Plate - Iberian Spotters
32 Ckfred : I can say that pilots don't smoke nearly as much as they used to, but that probably reflects trends similar to the U.S. population, as a whole. A frie
33 Manu : In Canada it is becoming only legal to smoke outside or in your own house. Everywhere else it is becoming illegal, including bars and restaurants. I p
34 SQ_EK_freak : Both the Captain and F/O were smoking on an MH flight from KUL to EWR via DXB...so I assume smoking IS allowed in the flight deck on US bound flights
35 TYSGoVols : A lot of the smokers I know can and will just suck on a cancer stick. Not sure why but when they can't smoke sucking it in comes in handy from what I
36 Post contains images Sabena332 : Of course do pilots smoke in the cockpit, on some of my jumpseat flights I got offered a cigarette from either the captain or the F/O, of course I did
37 Airgeek12 : Ya I meant notice*, sorry about the spelling error. haha yea. I bet it leaves the cockpit smelling pretty bad, too for the next flight crew.
38 Tallguy14 : Yes, I know of one case where the Captain of a major US airline smoked a cigarette during taxi. The flight was operating from the US to Japan. He open
39 Ewr767 : As a flight attendant, I personally have witnessed one of my captains smoking in the cockpit in flight. He would blow the smoke down towards the rudde
40 POR2GAL : IMO, I find it unprofessional. I think it paints an unprofessional image. Back in the 70's, smoking actually portrayed professionalism, in all careers
41 KYIPpilot : As stated, it is not illegal for pilots to smoke in the cockpit, but most company ops do not allow their pilots to smoke in the cockpit. Also, all the
42 Afay1 : The major Russian airlines ban smoking in the cabin, though the bathroom rule is spottily enforced, and certainly no one would bother to stop the pilo
43 Iowaman : If you work for AS and get caught smoking at home, your fired!
44 Post contains links and images September11 : hey, I remember on EA 757 ATL-SFO flight, flight attendants smoked in the rear gallery (not permitted to do so - to my knowledge). however, they are f
45 Post contains links and images AeroVodochody : Here's another one, although I don't know if CSA allows it... View Large View MediumPhoto © Konstantin von Wedelstaedt
46 Post contains images Aerosvit : I can tell you that about...7 or so years back when I flew CSA...they did have a smoking section. I don't know about now but they did. I'm sure smokin
47 Qxeguy : For me, I asked myself "Which do I like more...Smoking or Flying. With all the cardio-vascular damage that we KNOW cigarettes cause..why put a 1st cla
48 Brido : This statement is UNTRUE, check your facts. From the NTSB report: ***Probable Cause Misc eqpt/furnishings,lavatories. Fire Safety advisory Conflictin
49 McDog : I certainly don't smoke in the cockpit, or anywhere else for that matter.
50 Ktachiya : Thanx to AIR CANADA Who was the leader for this whole debate!!! As for POR2GAL's post, I do agree on that. If you are non-smoker, you don't want a smo
51 KYIPpilot : That is correct, the AC DC-9 fire was caused by a bad lav motor, NOT A CIGARETTE.
52 DeltaGuy : I've jumpseated on AeroMexico many times...on most all of the flights, the Capt/FO have no problem pulling out a pack and puffing damn near the whole
53 Funny : On an Olympic Airways flight from MAD-ATH the stewrdess invited my mom to the cockpit for a smoke with the pilots....of course, my mom accepted. Even
54 9Y-ISA : If you work for AS and get caught smoking at home, your fired! Iowaman, is this true or a misprint? Is Alaska Airlines saying you should be a non-smok
55 Philsquares : Iowaman, please take this with a very large grain of salt, but I rather doubt it. ALPA would certainly fight that issue and I am sure any arbitrator
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