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Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am  
User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12769 times:

I have just read the speech and presentation that Air NZ CEO Ralph Norris presented to a transport forum.

Here is the link to the presentation and transcript.

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/inves...orcentre/presentations/default.htm

What do you think are the possible new opportunities in North America???

Possibly YVR, JFK??? what do you think?

Would the 777-200ER or 787 be able to operate AKL/JFK direct?


What?
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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12700 times:

Glad to see this expansion. The 777LR would be able to operate AKL-JFK nonstop but not the ER. The 787 would be close, but i'm not sure if it could do it.


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12651 times:

Well, JFK would probably be a no-brainer and either YVR or YYZ for Canada. Additional US destinations, well ORD and DFW come to mind. NZ has had a history with DFW in the 80s, I could see them eyeing Dallas once again. However I suspect ORD would probably be given the nod as it's just too large and tempting a destination.

I would like to say IAH, but I am realistic  Nuts. I am just happy the PK is going to tough IAH out and that AI recent comments looks promising.

Thomas

[Edited 2005-02-23 02:13:46]


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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12608 times:

YYZ would prob be too far for a direct service from NZ, however NZ could operate AKL-HNL-YYZ, and YVR direct.


What?
User currently offlineLvkewlkid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

to LAS would be interesting, but it would probably not happen

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12594 times:

I would guess YVR with the Star connection, or possibly a ORD service.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12471 times:
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Good to see that NZ is continuing to expand. The new destination/s would be a Star hub

User currently offlineNoMoreRJs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12417 times:

Would love to see NZ at ORD! Who knows, it may happen in 20 years.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12389 times:
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Quoting NoMoreRJs (reply 7):
NZ at ORD! Who knows, it may happen in 20 years.

Who knows, it may happen sooner


User currently offlineFsimmer From Norway, joined Jun 1999, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12367 times:

Will welcome NZ to the Northwest. AKL-YVR or AKL-SEA, maybe even AKL-PDX?


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User currently offlineNomoreRJs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12305 times:

ORD is a Star Alliance hub, great connections, and huge O&D market. I think this would happen before YVR, SEA, or PDX. DFW was a big flop years ago. Don't expect to see NZ at DFW unless AA dumps QF for NZ. But I don't work for NZ or UA, I just read this forum and enjoy the posts from others. I wish them the best with their choice and glad to see any future routes will be on Boeing equipment!

User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12220 times:

YVR makes sense as they can codeshare on connecting flights to points within Canada with star Alliance partner AC.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5219 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

One of the most intersting slides in this presentation is found on http://www.airnz.co.nz/resources/db_conf_preso_2004.pdf
This is a typical Boeing range chart showing ranges for the 767-300ER, 777-200ER and -300ER and the 787 measured from AKL.
This gives a pretty good idea of what is achievable with these types out of AKL.
If it is typical of Boeing charts the range is probably based on max. passenger load and 80% winds.


User currently offlineCessnaLady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12185 times:

Acapulco and Cancun, Mexico, were discussed as two possible NZ mid way destinations on possible flights to Europe.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1945785/

Interesting. Check out the map in the second-to-last reply. The question wasn't answered: Why not?

Marie


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11901 times:

AEROHOTTIE mentioned AKL/HNL/YYZ. Of all of the defunct/dormant AC routes, YYZ/HNL/YYZ is probably the most requested, "missed" route. In addition to large numbers of Canadians connecting thru LAX daily to New Zealand, it would be a no brainer filling a flight to HNL on a regular basis. The volumes are there, but AC cited the YYZ/HNL route as being amongst the lowest yielding, and least profitable. Could NZ make it work?


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 11783 times:

Don't rule out ORD or EWR.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 11744 times:

anybody for AKL-DEN?

User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 11700 times:

I'm just waiting like most people now to see what comes out, well soon know in a few hours time, when the hold there meeting, and live web cam , which i'm waiting for! anything would be great now, that the airline is in a stronger place then 5 years ago! maybe mainland CHINA!! oh please ..


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11468 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ:
AEROHOTTIE mentioned AKL/HNL/YYZ. Of all of the defunct/dormant AC routes, YYZ/HNL/YYZ is probably the most requested, "missed" route. In addition to large numbers of Canadians connecting thru LAX daily to New Zealand, it would be a no brainer filling a flight to HNL on a regular basis. The volumes are there, but AC cited the YYZ/HNL route as being amongst the lowest yielding, and least profitable. Could NZ make it work?


Well, if a 777-200LR or a 787 could do YVR-AKL or YYZ-AKL without having to stop in HNL in either direction, I can tell you it would be a definite plus since that would mean no one has to go through US customs in addition to NZ and Canadian customs. Also, the US visa requirement would not be a problem. (Although Canadian citizens are exempt from this, I don't know about NZ or even Australian passengers)


User currently offlineWorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (reply 16):
anybody for AKL-DEN?


I am all for it! However, I find it unlikely. DEN has good Star connections but not enough O&D traffic IMO. I have yet to see the new 16,000' runway attract new long haul service. Could NZ be first?


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11068 times:

Would be nice to see more NZ flights to HNL, even as a stop-over point. AKL-HNL-AKL is now down to 2 flights per week (Mondays & Fridays @ HNL), down from 14 flights per week. From a 743 to a 763.


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11017 times:

YYZ would prob be too far for a direct service from NZ

YYZ is shorter than JFK: (7,488NM) vs (7,671NM) 777-200ER range is (7,730NM)

I would think they would look at JFK, ORD, YYZ, YVR, and maybe DFW.




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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10944 times:

I checked out the rumour with my NZ sales rep this morning. Rumour around NZ is they will go into ORD, YVR is a strong possibility but may not happen this time around. I can see NZ (my opinion) looking at SEA ,EWR and YYZ?


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User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

If it is AKL-ORD you have two options fly on from LAX or SFO with no cabotage rights or fly a southern route. If you fly a southern route your either stopping in Mexico or Tahiti or a combination of both.

User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

I can't see SEA,PDX,DEN happening. ORD yes, DFW yes, YVR/YYZ yes one or the other,JFK possibly, but probably via somewhere first. It will fit into the Star network infrastructure, but it has to have a market, and UA used to operate through to ORD. I think that is the most obvious one.

25 SunriseValley : The "show" promised for 9am Thursday, NZ time is not yet up on the AIrNZ web site. Thus far all we know from the N.Z. Herald site is that AirNZ are go
26 RichardJF : LHR might be dropped therefore changing what might be possible.
27 777ER : Could someone please post the link to the live web-cam option
28 Post contains links 777ER : Just read on NZs web-site, that a B744 will be leased from Atlas Air and will provide twice weekly round the world freighter service, this will replac
29 Bartond : As much as I'd flip over NZ coming to DFW, there's really no viable reason aside from a nice geographic location (DFW). No Star connections, not much
30 Aerohottie : I was really bored today, and did a bit of a schedule. I did more than what is on here though, and included Aus connections etc etc. Hope you enjoy Ne
31 NZ1 : Indeed it may................my lips are sealed NZ1
32 Post contains images 777ER : That sounds like a confirmation to me
33 Zkojh : The 777-200er could make Vancouver, tho, not sure what will come out now, back to the thinking game, and as for LHR being dropped - dout that will eve
34 SunriseValley : RichardJF..... Are you suggesting an en route stop because you feel the traffic non-stop AKL/ORD and vv would be insufficient to make the route econom
35 Aerohottie : I would say that YVR, ORD and JFK would all be viable with nonstop service from New Zealand. There would be nonstop NZ traffic and onestop Australian
36 DYK : What would be great in for NZ to go into a code share agreement with VS or BA and move the AKL-LAX-LHR route to AKL-YVR-LHR. The bi-lateral agreements
37 RichardJF : Sunrise valley-744's just wouldn't have the range
38 SunriseValley : RichardJF.... I had never considered that they would use a 747-400 on this route. I had only thought of it in the context of the -200ER. With one of t
39 ZK-NBT : OJH SFO will go daily on January 30th. I agree that JFK, YVR and ORD would be the best bets for NZ, atleast for non stop service.
40 The777Man : Air New Zealand's press release from last year said that they will get their 777s at a rapid pace; they will have all 8 within a year of first deliver
41 Aerohottie : The problem with operating between LAX/ORD is that NZ wouldnt be able to fill the aircraft, only traffic connecting onto international services. So a
42 RichardJF : If NZ operates a crew base in LAX or SFO and 772's are on the ground for 8 or more hours they could fly down to Cabo San Lucas (at the bottom of Baja
43 TG992 : Richard - are you insane?
44 RichardJF : Is it not the case that aircraft sit on the ground at LAX 8-10 hours or something. Exactly how many people from Dubai visit Chrischurch every year. th
45 ZKSUJ : Good to hear that NZ are thinking of expanding, good for the airline, good for the country and good for all of us.
46 RichardJF : Further to that if a new 777 is NZ$200m that is $30-40 thousand per day in interest costs alone so it's big bucks to have a plane just sitting around
47 JoFMO : Maybe NZ could try to fly another 5th freedom flight ti Europe and fill it with other Star passengers. From FRA to LAX/SFO I would prefer NZ over LH a
48 777ER : If NZ really want to have another UK flight then have NZ considered flying to another UK airport like MAN?
49 Post contains images Daumueller : ok, so let's start dreaming: AKL-DEN-MUC )
50 Zkojh : MAN - SFO - AKL would be a great move!!! bring it on lol
51 SunriseValley : So far as I can see from a search of Travelocity there is no carrier operating a non-stop from MAN to SFO or LAX. There are number of daily flights bu
52 Gigneil : The 777-200ER cannot operate any of those routes. He's suggesting it because NZ has no planes that can feasibly operate the service. Perhaps a 787 wh
53 RichardJF : Should become the only airline operating long haul out of the French Riveria. SFO-NCE-SIN LAX-NCE-HKG
54 777ER : From what I have seen on the schedules, NZ like to get the aircraft back to New Zealand within 1-2 days. SFO-NCE-SIN and LAX-NCE-HKG would take more
55 777ER : That would make a perfect money maker for NZ because of no other direct competition.
56 Nosedive : NOPE!
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