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UA Expands At NGO  
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

United has decided to take advantage of 5th freedom out of NGO by extending their new flight to NGO to TPE.

SFO service is to start at the end of March. Service to TPE from NGO will begin April 29th.
UA 831 SFO - NGO - TPE
UA 830 TPE- NGO- SFO
EQP 777-200ER

Feb 23 Press release (Japanese only)

Looks like Chubu is taking off!
P.S. UNITED PLEASE OFFER TO HKG!


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
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User currently offlineFlyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 318 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Dear Justin:

You are a fast poster with hot-off-the-press news! I only heard about this on local Nagoya TV news three hours ago!

This new 5th Freedom route takes advantage of our B777 that would otherwise sit idle overnight at NGO. I'm very happy United is attempting this route. ...Already, seats in both First and Economy have been sold for the inaugural NGO-TPE run on April 29th, after being on the market for less than a day!

In case you're interested, the SFO-based crew that works the SFO-NGO run will layover in downtown Nagoya for about 40 hours, come back to Centrair to work the flight down to Taipei where they'll have a short layover at CKS airport, then work the morning departure back to NGO for another 24 hour layover downtown. On the 5th day, they work back to SFO. Not a bad schedule, eh?

Also, by May our current SFO-NRT Flight 853 that continues to TPE will change over to a through-flight to HKG. Flight 891 from LAX to NRT will then continue on to TPE, with an aircraft change to a B777 in NRT. This way, both SFO and LAX can market "direct" United flights to TPE. Not as good as having our SFO-TPE nonstop back, but I'll take what I can get!


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

I was looking at this schedule and then got curious about AA's.

AA passengers can be ticketed through to TPE on JAA or Cathay (NGO-TPE-HKG). Both leave around the same time as the UA TPE flight.

ORD-NGO-TPE(-HKG)
SFO-NGO-TPE

Sure would be nice if UA or NH would go to HKG from NGO. We pay twice as much as NRT as we only have Cathay supplying direct traffic (early morning). I can fly to HKG via NRT on JL, NH, or NW but it ends up taking almost 10 hours instead of 4. Flights via ICN end up being almost the same as flying via NRT. If UA linked to HKG, it would also then connect passengers to Vietnam which is very popular for Japanese right now. It would also give more competition for KIX. (Muhahahahahaha)

Interesting note on NGO's first week.
Around 45% of business has been from non-passengers. First week estimates show higher than expected business for retail and restaurants. "Shop Centrair" Bus tours have popped up. Last week close to 150 bus tours came through from all over the Chubu region. This place is incredible!



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

FlyUa: I was thinking the same thing. Does UA ever plan on restarting the SFO-TPE? I'm assuming this is a clear sign of " Not anytime soon"! Well I can live with NGO service being started. I was there 4 weeks ago, but I'd like to go see the new airport. Just wish we had better non-rev deals with UA.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineFlyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 318 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

No idea, As739x, if we'll be seeing the return of the SFO-TPE nonstop any time soon. I wish we had it back!

Justin: As for ANA starting NGO-HKG, I'm surprised it's not already in operation! From what I've heard, ANA really has big plans for Centrair as an intra-Asia hub. Hopefully, your travels with "Star" will only get easier. And hey-- Kansai is having a hard enough time as it is! I'm afraid they really may lose out to Centrair over the long run... even with their soon-opened second runway!

Also, if anyone cares, my crew layover times were a bit off for this new SFO-NGO-TPE service. Our first layover in Nagoya will only be about 26-27 hours-- still putting us at a downtown hotel, but for a much shorter time. My feeling is that this trip for us UA flight attendants will be a fairly junior one (as far as the sought-after international trips go), as the layovers are all on the short side-- especially in Taipei. It would be so nice to get a long, downtown Taipei layover again! The hotel we had was so luxurious, and the night markets and various food options in the city made for an interesting experience.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2147 times:

Now press release in English


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting Flyua (reply 4):
Also, if anyone cares, my crew layover times were a bit off for this new SFO-NGO-TPE service. Our first layover in Nagoya will only be about 26-27 hours-- still putting us at a downtown hotel, but for a much shorter time. My feeling is that this trip for us UA flight attendants will be a fairly junior one (as far as the sought-after international trips go), as the layovers are all on the short side-- especially in Taipei. It would be so nice to get a long, downtown Taipei layover again! The hotel we had was so luxurious, and the night markets and various food options in the city made for an interesting experience.


You write this like you plan on holding it......with the age posted in your profile, I find it difficult that this is a trip that you may hold. When you say "junior" trip.......clarify that 25years at SFO-Int'l is junior. I think this trip will go senior as it's a new destination and it sounds like a very productive trip. Sounds like "junior" f/a's will get this on reserve or thru RDO.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2100 times:

Since UA's new SFO-NGO service was to start, the 777 once it arrived at NGO would sit on the tarmac for close to 24 hours.
I thought UA would use its 5th freedom to operate to somewhere in Asia (eg HKG or ICN) or do something similar at KIX like operate a NGO-HNL with NH codeshare but CO jumped the gun of that route so UA looked elsewhere.
Nevertheless, it is good news and gives some competition to CX, EG & CI on the route. EG & CI have different timings on the route but similar to CX.


User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Awesome news. As said, the scheduling of the SFO-NGO flights hinted at additional service at NGO for United. I'm also surprised that there isn't NGO-HKG flights, but I could definitely seeing it happen sometime. Also, I'm surprised that nobody is doing NGO-LAX...I thought JAL would eventually reinstate the service for the opening of Chubu but I guess not, we'll have to see.

Speaking of Chubu/Centrair, isn't there a second hotel at the airport, the Comfort Inn I believe? Isn't it supposed to be a cheaper alternative to the Centrair Hotel? Are the hotels done yet?



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User currently offlineFlyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 318 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Tu154:

Yes, you guessed right! I am nowhere near the seniority needed to hold -anything- international in SFO. I don't plan on doing that at least until that airliners.net profile needs updating!

And yes-- I'd say that 25 years seniority to hold this trip is about right. I figured simply by adding, "(as far as sought-after international trips)" is enough for the general reader here.

I do still think this will be one of the most junior international trips in SFO. Right now, not including Hawaii, MEX, or TED-Mex, KIX is the most junior international assignment here in SFO. There's little to do around the hotel area for the average non-Japanese speaker and 4-day trips are generally harder to trade than 3-day (hence NRT being the senior Japanese destination). Had Nagoya stayed a 4-day trip, I think the first few months might have been senior, given that "new car smell." However, if the layover hotel ends up being sub-par or if downtown Nagoya lives up to its SFOSW reputation as being "dull"... for Japanese- and non-Japanese speakers alike... I think it would have gone junior to even KIX. NOW that it's a 5-day trip (low time compared to the SYD 5-day) with a 12-hour field layover in TPE, I think it will be quite junior. It will be hard to trade out of, the line hours will be low compared to SYD lines, and the drive to downtown NGO will take even longer than KIX. Watch this one go "junior!" (Dare I say 24 years seniority?!)


User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Well, maybe those dinosaurs will retire (ha, ha , ha) soon! Give others who would love to fly those trips..without complaining..the chance to do so. Wouldnt it be great if those 747/777's were filled with flight attendants under 15 years? I'm sure freq. flyers to SYD are sick of seeing the same old tired grandmothers on the liquor carts!


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