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Ultimate Airbus/Boeing Order Scoreboard  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8903 times:

Justplanes.com has added a new feature summarizing orders/cancellations for each manufacturer:

http://www.justplanes.com/acorders.html

I'm not sure why the Air China order for 20 A332s is not included, unless it remains unconfirmed?

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Nice overview!

A small improvement could be the overall backlog & value based on listprice (numbers only tell half story).


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

...& UPS order is for 10 A380.


LOUISVILLE, Jan. 10, 2005 - Moving to expand the capacity of its air network to accommodate strong international growth, UPS (NYSE:UPS) today announced a firm order for 10 A380 super-jumbo freighter aircraft made by Airbus.
http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/about/news/01_10_2005.html


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

Just Planes seems a little off-

Airbus in Jan had:
VS 10 x 346
GECAS 2 x 332
KIngfisher 10 x 320
Sichun 2 x 319 + 6 x 320

I don't think the China Southern or UPS orders are confirmed yet. Pretty poor reporting from what I can see!


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8521 times:

Quoting Col (reply 3):
Pretty poor reporting from what I can see!


The concept of the comparative order summary is nice; hopefully, they'll continue and improve upon it, and quickly correct any errors or omissions.

IMO, part of the problem is that the sales data available from the Airbus website is difficult to locate and summarize.

[Edited 2005-02-23 15:14:59]

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8332 times:

& the list is growing ...

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8186 times:

Leelaw,

Airbus order info is quite comprehensive, only issue is that it is monthly, whereas Boeing is weekly. They also state that they are orders confirmed by the manufacturers, but realistically I think that some are not signed in stone.

I like to review justplanes as their info is normally very up to date, and I too would like a good comparison, but this to me is still very poor as it is way wide of the mark.


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3675 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

145 orders in 2005 ? Wow, Boeing is doing very well. They are back in business !

User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Didn't GOL order 4 aircraft when they upped their number of options and just firmed 5 of their options to orders? That would give them 9.

Boeing's website is showing 4 orders, and hasn't reflected the announcement.



Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

The justplanes.com weekday airline news summary has markedly improved since the beginning of the year; consequently, I'm willing to cut them some slack to sort out this new comparative order summary feature which is helpful and was after all, just unveiled today. I'm sure the anal "order nerds" have already bombarded them with suggested corrections and improvements.

[Edited 2005-02-23 18:51:07]

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7946 times:

Leelaw,

I don't understand how you believe the summary is useful with it's present content. Once corrected it may be, but at present it is not. I am not one of those order nerds, just someone who deals in hard facts.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

Col:

Revenge of the Anal Order Nerds.  Laugh out loud

Looks like they've already corrected the error on the UPS order Keesje cited, and added the Kingfisher order since this morning. Perhaps the other unconscionable omissions of fact you cited will be addressed soon as well.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards


User currently offlineNWA330TONY From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6843 times:

seeing that makes me think where would boeing be without that 737-800 line?
It is good to see the B787 doing so well already. cant wait to see that bird fly!

[Edited 2005-02-23 23:59:03]

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Quoting Sebolino (reply 7):
Wow, Boeing is doing very well. They are back in business !


Were they ever out ?  Big grin


User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6754 times:

With the deluge of orders that went towards Airbus at the end of last year, I think some people thought they were out. As it is it's great to see both sides fattening the order book. It's a fun industry to watch, to spot and to travel on.

It's entertaining to watch the two companies compete and to cheer them on.

No referee's either unless you count the WTO.

More entertaining than the NHL. I can't even imagine what the Canadians are doing for entertainment.



Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlinePhilaboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Ethiopian ordered 5 787's????. Why am I having trouble picturing that plane in my mind and I am an artist.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11847 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6042 times:
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Quoting Philaboy (reply 15):
Ethiopian ordered 5 787's????.

Yes thats correct


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

Quoting Philaboy (reply 15):
Ethiopian ordered 5 787's????. Why am I having trouble picturing that plane in my mind and I am an artist.


Boeing doesn't seem to have that problem  Big grin





[Edited 2005-02-24 02:27:14]

User currently offlineLockheed1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4824 times:

Thank you for the info!  Smile

Saved the page in my Favorites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12420 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4654 times:
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The page is now in my bookmarks.

Alas, while Boeing is out of the gates in early 2005, I do find it a bit distorted not having a summary of 2004 also available. While I like following this horse race, this is more of a super-marathon than a sprint. For this mile, Boeing is running faster, for the last few its been Airbus. The starting line is back before I was born... The finish line hopefully decades of interesting products away!

Great link!

Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3675 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

I have the feeling that Boeing is regaining its rank of number 1. They have now a modern offer (737NG, 787, 777) and Airbus should probably think quite fast of a A320 replacement, or a modernization of the A320. 145 orders in just 2 months is huge !

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

The official Airbus spreadsheet gives 5287 ordered, 3776 deleivered makes a backlog of 1511.
http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/orde...deliveries/orders_n_deliveries.xls

Were can I find the official Boeing overview ?

These should perhaps be the bases for the scoreboard, maybe a seperate one for rumors, options, LOI's etc..

For 2004 Boeing got 277 orders, Airbus 370 according to:
http://www.speednews.com/lists/04O&D.pdf


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11847 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4247 times:
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Ryanair can now be added to the 2005 Boeing list with 70+70 orders  Smile

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

how boring !!!! Nearly only 737's !!!


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Quoting Keesje (reply 21):
Were can I find the official Boeing overview ?


http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Boeing doesn't have the nice Excel spreadsheet like Airbus, but all kinds of standard and user defined reports available.


25 777ER : Its better then nothing
26 767-332ER : So the JAL 30 737's are they supposedly 737-900X's? Regards
27 PANAM_DC10 : No, though they expressed an interest in the model. As for Justplanes I don't find their website too accurate when it comes to what is actually "firm
28 Leelaw : Hmmm...They're certainly guilty of some errors and omissions so far, however, I don't see anything they've listed which can't be found on the manufac
29 PANAM_DC10 : Hi Leelaw I only look at their News summary they do every Friday and I find that over time they've had some nighmare reports. Let's go right back a f
30 Leelaw : Hi PANAM DC10: As a disclaimer, I have no particular interest in being their booster (I hate boosterism), as there have been some serious quality issu
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