FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2801 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6243 times:
Haha, great minds think alike. I think PDX is a good addition, but I wonder if the SEA market can support so many flights, now that Delta has added service as well (soon to be switched over to Song, with even more capacity than the current 738s). Over the years, AA and UA have added and dropped JFK-SEA on and off...it seems to be a challenging market. It will be interesting to see whether JetBlue and Song will both be able to stimulate demand with their low fares and popular products, or if one will be forced "off the island," so to speak.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6116 times:
Great news for PDX! This will be a very successful flights for jetBlue.
In the future, American will probably eliminate its flights from New York to Seattle, effectively ceding all East Coast flying to Alaska. With one or two exceptions, AA simply isn't interested in competing in secondary transcon markets anymore.
AlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6050 times:
Funny about the AA transcon, last night I had the joy of listening to an AA pilot whine and moan about AS flying SEA-DFW, after they entered the SEA-BOS, and SEA-ORD market, coming in on his beloved AA's turf. He was going on about how AA will be increasing services in SEA.
I wonder if this is his broken heart talking??
It was funny to listen to him. "How dare they fly to Dallas. arent we a code-share? Maybe we should start flying to ANC!!" I have so many comments to make.......
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5963 times:
This is an interesting move for B6 to add another flight along with DL's huge song expansion. B6 does have one benefit though over song; they can connect people to upstate New York as well as florida. The prices from the west coast to smaller cities in New York are outrageous. 400 or 500 dollars might be as cheap as you can get to ROC or elsewhere without B6. My opinion is that the Song flights will stay empty because there isn't enough O/D to warrent that much service, and connections on song are limited. People would go on DL through a hub if they wanted to connect to a Song destination.
B6 has a following among college students and young people wanting to go to New York from SEA. The only thing that hurts them is the horrible timing of the red eye flight that doesn't make business flyers and others happy flying with B6.
AS and CO can do well also because in addition to O/D they have connection opportunities. AS can fly people to Alaska, Canada and around the Northwest, while CO goes to all over the east and to Europe. Both those carriers are solid. UA went from a 767 to a 757 to an A320 and then dropped it all together. They relied only on O/D since they had a presence but no hub at either location.
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LegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5949 times:
Quoting AlexInWa (reply 8): He was going on about how AA will be increasing services in SEA.
AA has consistently reduced service out of Seattle due to the ridiculously high airport fees. SEATAC is out of control and with PDX a short hop away, I expect seeing it keep growing as SEA loses more and more service.
I remember when you could see AA's entire fleet in SEA in a single day, over 20 daily flights, nowadays, all MD80 except for the one 757 to JFK. No more BOS flights, no more NRT and down to only 14 daily departures altogether.
B6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 813 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5942 times:
wow...i'm excited about this news!!! Finally SEA won't be all alone on our route map! also to its great to hear that SEA FINALLY gets a daytime flight after the last few years of it only being a red eye! PDX will be a great destination for our crewmembers too since we have quite a few that live in the OR area...easier commute for them to get to JFK rather than driving all the way up to SEA or catching another airline to get to work.
Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5732 times:
"This is an interesting move for B6 to add another flight along with DL's huge song expansion. B6 does have one benefit though over song; they can connect people to upstate New York as well as florida."
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5694 times:
Padcrasher, those flights are once a day, and you can already connect to DL's international network. You don't need 3 flights a day for international connections. The two 738s fill that job fine, and do not justify doubling capacity. I was just saying that B6 is in a better position to increase service, not that DL should cut service. B6's new afternoon flight from SEA-JFK is timed to connect to the last set of flights out of JFK in the day.
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Either a port gate on D or they will use one of UA's gates at PDX, as I believe UA has a contract with B6 to provide ramp/mx service at some or all of their locations. B6 operates out of the north satellite in SEA.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2784 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5542 times:
I knew it! I started a thread awhile back that talked about Neeleman's plans to open a new red-eye city this year...well here it is! I'm sure it'll perform well and hopefully we'll see BOS and IAD service in the near future.
Also, FINALLY they're adding a second flight to SEA...the destination has basically been deprived of attention from JetBlue, but I guess they decided it's time to step up the competition -- especially after Song's announcement.
Best of luck to B6!
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25 Flashmeister: Great news... Isn't it true that the Port of Portland was insisting that new entrants commit to having their own dedicated facilities leased, rather t
26 Kwbl: Flashmeister: I have heard that as well but Big Sky just started and I believe their counter and ground service is handled by QX so I am not sure. It
27 Jeremy: Great for PDX! They are also getting a PDX-MDW from WN. Jetblue will also announce BUR in the morning.
28 TOLtommy: It's about time MDW-PDX started. Never made sense to me that WN never offered it before. BUR-JFK? Is the runway long enough for a full A320 and the fu
29 Flashmeister: Kwbl: I agree that "C" is nicer. If UA's going to handle them, however, they'll probably opt for a "D" gate for simplicity's sake considering UA's ope
30 Thomasphoto60: What about IAH or HOU? When might B6 start flights to the 'Lone Star' state? Thomas
31 Leneld: This is Awesome news for PDX! It's great to finally see PDX on Jetblue's radar. Actually it's great to see PDX on anybody radar with the amount of ser
32 Pdxtriple7: It's really nice to see B6 start JFK-PDX. It is a redeye, but we'll take whatever east coast flights we can get. Plus B6 has good entertainment for a
33 Flashmeister: I have just one very very very tiny suggestion for B6... Anyone see the image they picked for Portland in their "Our Cities" section of their website?
34 B6FA4ever: jeremy...where did u hear about BUR!? i've been hearing it around work as rumors and such but how do u know about it? guess we'll have to start a new
35 FA4B6: Question. How can we start BUR when it is so slot restricted, NIMBY's worse then LGB, and the runway is so short we couldn't do transcons? What a wast
36 Jeremy: I heard BUR from a B6 General Manager. I am kind of shocked myself, as I cannot see a fully loaded A-320 depart from that airport. I really cannot see
37 RampRat74: They use a pic with the Burnside bridge in it. Lets play can you spot Waldo, I mean wino. At last, we have more airlines coming into PDX.
38 Notbluejet: BUR... can anyone smell 3 daily.... keep your ears open tommorow guys :P
39 Lightsaber: Congradulations B6! I knew PDX had to be on there. From what I've read in the forums, SEA-JFK was begging for one more flight. It will be interesting
40 ERJ170: Could BUR work as a E90 destination? I mean, since others say a 320 would be weight restricted? Could it be one of the initial E90 cities to be announ
41 Icebird757: JetBlue will announce 4 daily flight from JFK-BUR tomorrow.[Edited 2005-02-24 05:07:48]
42 Modesto2: I have also received unofficial confirmation of JetBlue's announcement for JFK-BUR. To be announced 0700 Eastern Thursday morning.
43 Flashmeister: Yeah, the Burnside bridge was a nice touch too I thought... although I gotta say (working one block from the Burnside) that the bums down there leave
44 Richierich: Could BUR work as a E90 destination? I mean, since others say a 320 would be weight restricted? Could it be one of the initial E90 cities to be announ
45 FA4B6: So lets go back to the question of operational challenges ... isnt it nearly impossible to do a transcon from BUR-NYC on one of our full A320's? I tho
46 AeroWesty: Interesting to note that CO has now bumped up PDX-EWR from the two planned flights this summer to three now. Just noticed that this morning. Beginning
47 Flashmeister: That's quite a change for PDX-New York. As of today, we have one. This summer, we'll have four? Clearly there's support for more service PDX-NewYork,
48 RampRat74: I just read in the Oregonian this morning. The POP will rent out gate and ticketing space by the hour. I guess this is a agreement the POP agreed upon
49 Flashmeister: That's great news that the Port has started to see the light and be a little helpful. Not sure I see how the hourly thing will work, though -- if I on
50 FLAIRPORT: My gosh, I'm gone for 2 days and B6 addes BUR and PDX! What a week! Only 1 week until my next B6 journey!
51 Flashmeister: One more indicator of exactly how jetBlue is different than a lot of other carriers... I actually left feedback on jetBlue's website regarding the ima