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Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily  
User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

I know we discussed that multiple airlines filed for LAX-MEX. Alaska announced there intent today. AS filed twice daily LAX-MEX, one starting in SEA and the other in PDX. Here is a link of the company site.

http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2005/02/24_mexico_city.asp

ASSFO


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

All of the airlines files their briefs with the DOT yesterday. Responses are due in a week.

The docket is at http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...mberValue=20406&searchType=docket.

AS applied for 2x LAX-MEX, 1x 73G + 1x 738.

HP applied for 2x LAX-MEX, 2x A319.

AA applied for 2x LAX-MEX, 2x 757.

CO applied for 1x LAX-MEX, 1x 73G.

Each application certainly has its own strengths, but I think CO will be hurt by having fewer frequencies.



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User currently offlineMx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 827 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
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Would love to se AS, a new carrier for us here.

Thought AA would put some 76's there... Anyways I'd love to see more AA too!

I think CO is out of the race... HP.. I hope they are also.

Juan APM



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User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

This LAX-MEX route sure is a money maker for the airlines. No wonder why Mexicana has the most flights. I guess that the two most certain airlines to get it are AA and CO because of their codesharing agreements with MX and AM respectively. But I really don't know I mean it could be anyone's route right?

A. De Leo
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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3969 times:
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AS actually filed the petition several weeks ago, but a formal announcement wasn't made public until today.

I guess that the two most certain airlines to get it are AA and CO because of their codesharing agreements with MX and AM respectively.

If anything, that would make them the least likely to get the service, since they already technically "have" it via codeshares.

Besides, AA and CO still win if AS gets the route, since AS codeshares with both carriers.

[Edited 2005-02-24 00:23:38]


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

I know R, just no one had posted yet. Does anyone thinj that being the new airline to MEX AS has a good chance? Alaska would be only new carrier and also can add the AA codeshare on our flights.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3952 times:
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I know R, just no one had posted yet.

Actually....  Big grin

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1904753/4/



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Yes, I saw that. But it didnt state AS's intentions of 2 daily. How things down in the desert? Weather holding up?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3934 times:
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Weather holding up?

If "holding up" means "getting more than three times your normal rainfall for this time of year," then yes - it's holding up.  Big grin

How are things up in the Bay Area?



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3910 times:

Crap here to, but not as bad as in the SW area's. Made the flights to PSP a little difficult. We been loading them up on gas and pushing landing weights on the -400's all week. Well stay dry man!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3857 times:

If LAX-MEX is such a sure-fire money printing machine for the airlines, then why did DL vacate the route in the first place???

User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3833 times:

In my opinion I would think that AA would get accepted as they are bringing more people down there with a 757 thus bringing more money to Mexico. What does everybody else think??

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2447 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting Mitchell Gant (reply 10):
If LAX-MEX is such a sure-fire money printing machine for the airlines, then why did DL vacate the route in the first place???


Because DL does not know what it wants!! Specially on its routes to Mexico...
With only one flight to LAX and with a codeshare on AM flights to LAX, people almost always chose AM metal because they have better flight times and kind of better service.

Additionally, DL's main goal was to improve aircraft utilization and decided to fly LAX-MEX redeye (where MX is the strong one) in order to have good time departures for their flights to their hubs (ATL and JFK).

Finally, 6A decided to go strong on flights to LAX and has been offering very competitive fares on their MEX-MTY-LAX...

Hope the DOT considers these facts and selects either HP or AS for the route.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3821 times:
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If LAX-MEX is such a sure-fire money printing machine for the airlines, then why did DL vacate the route in the first place???

In addition to the aforementioned reasons that DL didn't do well on the route, bear in mind that AS will be able to make it work thanks to:

  • using (smaller) aircraft better suited to the route

  • offering schedules superior to what DL had


  • and most importantly

  • having significant feed traffic to/from LAX and not relying on LAX-MEX solely as an O&D market


  • AS will be able to funnel traffic through LAX onto the MEX flights from Canada, the state of Alaska, and the entire Pacific Northwest - something no other carrier can do. This means they need less O&D traffic to make a buck on the route.



    "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
    User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3805 times:

    AS will be able to funnel traffic through LAX onto the MEX flights from Canada, the state of Alaska, and the entire Pacific Northwest - something no other carrier can do. This means they need less O&D traffic to make a buck on the route.

    That's actually the main thing going against AS here, I think. The DOT will likely want to maximise O&D traffic to benefit the local market. It goes against AS that they don't already serve SEA-MEX or PDX-MEX. Still, AS has many pluses to its application, as do each of the applicants.



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    User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3768 times:
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    That's actually the main thing going against AS here, I think. The DOT will likely want to maximise O&D traffic to benefit the local market.

    IMHO, the DOT already knows that any new entrant will have a hard time making a go of it if they only look at this as an O&D market.

    Take a look at the existing carriers on the route:

    MX - carries connecting traffic from MEX; not just an O&D carrier
    AM - carries connecting traffic from MEX; not just an O&D carrier
    UA - carries connecting traffic from LAX and SFO; not just an O&D carrier


    DL failed to make the route work because they relied solely on O&D numbers - so I doubt the DOT will be anxious to have a new entrant who can't funnel traffic from inbounds like AS, AA and to some degree CO can.

    This is also why I think HP stands a snowball's chance in hell of landing this authority.



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    User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3751 times:

    UA cut a lot of flights into MEX awhile ago. They had plenty of hub traffic feeding their flights. So there must of been some reason they reduce their flights into MEX. The MX code-share wasn't the reason either.

    User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

    This is also why I think HP stands a snowball's chance in hell of landing this authority.

    Personally, I agree that HP has the weakest application. But the DOT loooooves LCCs (way too much IMHO), so I think they've got as good a shot as anyone else.



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    User currently offlineBoeing73G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

    What kind of aircraft did DL use on the route?


    I honestly think that AS stands the best chance. The combination of O&D traffic from codeshare partners+ feeders are making AS the best canidate. CO, DL, NW, and AA will be able to codeshare making it the most likely, so this means loyal FF members of CO, DL, NW, and AA can still get service with elite qualifying miles.

    How do you know the DOT loves LCC's?  Nuts


    User currently offlineMx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 827 posts, RR: 13
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3659 times:
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    Quoting Boeing73G (reply 18):
    What kind of aircraft did DL use on the route?


    757

    Juan APM



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    User currently offlineQxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

    We are just full of suprises.First DFW then MEX announcement.

    I heard rumors that AS was gearing up for a major expansion. I did not believe it but I guess this rumor is true. I wonder were we are off to next?



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