Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6308 times:
Adding to Hardiwv's post.....you have to look at the cargo, too. Baggage doesn't fill the belly of widebodies. Cargo does and airlines make good money off of it. If an airline can't generate enough cargo sales, they won't enter a new market/start a new route.
Flyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6284 times:
I remember taking the UA flight from SCL to MIA back in 2000 and it was hard getting a seat, also during the peak cargo times, 767's were full with fruit and fresh fish to the US.
I think UA would do great with a Santiago/Chicago or Washington.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6247 times:
As I said, you could have loads of 90% and still dont make a profit. Currently airlines are focusing more and more on their elite products: business and first class. It is known that SCL performs rather weakly on high-yielding market.
Even LAN's OW partner AA only have a single daily flight to SCL. It shows that yields must not be very high.
Kavanagh From Chile, joined Nov 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6231 times:
That would be awsome... a non-stop SANTIAGO-WASHINGTON DULLES or SANTIAGO-CHICAGO O´HARE. Maybe UA is thinking to do their routes CHICAGO-EZEIZA or DULLES-EZEIZA an extention to SCL.... although, with so many flights daily on SCL-EZE-SCL route, its just no necessary.
LatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1279 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5697 times:
Quoting Seattle ops (reply 11): Doesn't Chile require hiring a large number of Chilean nationals in order to operate to SCL?
I don't believe so, though AA has an F/A base there, UA did and DL's LatAm res office is in Chile.
I don't think CO did well with the DC-10 to SCL, at least that's what I hear from the New York market.
UA did fine to SCL for a while, they even operated the 777 there for a short while. But LatAm was never a big priority for United and the costs of maintaining an F/A base in SCL (mainly US citizens, not foreign nationals) and the closing of the Miami mini-hub, I don't think it made sense for them.
Lan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5402 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (reply 2): A full flight does not mean profit, you have to look at high-yielding pax, especially on business/first class. SCL is traditionally a low-yielding market.
At least Delta's daily flight ATL-SCL relies heavily on cargo.So you don't have to look only for high yielding pax. You also need a fair amount of cargo, and SCL has it.
Quoting Hardiwv (reply 8): Still, 2 daily flight for a OW hub is not substantive and means that traffic is thin.
As far as I know, United has two daily flights to GRU. One from ORD and one from IAD. So, 2 daily flights for a Star hub is not substantive and means traffic is thin
Quoting Flyguy1 (reply 16): I dont think the SCL nonstop market is that strong to the USA. LA actually upgraded one of its daily flights into JFK nonstop SCL-JFK, but dropped it back to one-stop via LIM soon after 9/11.
From what I've read, LanChile launched non-stop flights from SCL to JFK so they could get rid of CO on the SCL-NYC market. Probably there are other reasons.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5940 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5341 times:
you forget that Brazil has 10 times more inhabitans than Chile, and that Chile is has not a hub function, it is not possible with the geografic that they have. Sao Paulo has a much better position at the continent.
Please do not compare always all Southamerican countrys with Brazil...
Flights too and from SCL are doing well. Cargo is doing also great, look to LAN they have a good amount of operation to MIAMI and Europe, and the flights are nearly always full. North and Southbound. For example Cargolux witch goes from SCL full loaden with fresh fish to europe.
Chile is on the correct way.
Viva America del Sur.
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
: CO's LIM-SCL leg was a tag on from the EWR flight. The IAH-LIM continued on to Santa Cruz, Bolivia. CO was also planning on have pax from IAH to SCL c
: CO is the only US carrier to make a profit in Latin America, but I suspect they're not ready to take on service to either EZE or SCL. They don't like
: I very much dispute this statement. I am sure AA makes large profits in its South American operations, which is reflected in the fact that AA uses it
: A bit off topic. Had a conversation with an ex Eastern Airlines Captain. When Eastern went belly up, he got a call, at the hotel, in Santiago. His chi
: CO used to operate a daily DC10-30 service from EWR to SCL. The route was suspended, then the plan was to reinstate it, with a 757, operating an EWR-L
: I think CO will retain the double daily TLV flight at least for the summer high season. I don't think they will reduce this (unless terrorism erupts i
: But apparently they also took off the 777 from the AMS-EWR route, now operating with the 767, correct? AMS-IAH is also 767 if I'm not mistaken. Rgs,
: IIRC, AA purchased Eastern's routes to Latin America. I don't believe AA was operating to Santiago prior to Eastern going belly-up.
: LatinAviation, I too thought the same thing when I read that one....