Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4255 times:
Quoting Flyfirst (reply 0): AA and LA flights to the US are very full, so don't understand why others don't come back.
A full flight does not mean profit, you have to look at high-yielding pax, especially on business/first class. SCL is traditionally a low-yielding market.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4221 times:
Adding to Hardiwv's post.....you have to look at the cargo, too. Baggage doesn't fill the belly of widebodies. Cargo does and airlines make good money off of it. If an airline can't generate enough cargo sales, they won't enter a new market/start a new route.
Flyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
I remember taking the UA flight from SCL to MIA back in 2000 and it was hard getting a seat, also during the peak cargo times, 767's were full with fruit and fresh fish to the US.
I think UA would do great with a Santiago/Chicago or Washington.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
As I said, you could have loads of 90% and still dont make a profit. Currently airlines are focusing more and more on their elite products: business and first class. It is known that SCL performs rather weakly on high-yielding market.
Even LAN's OW partner AA only have a single daily flight to SCL. It shows that yields must not be very high.
Kavanagh From Chile, joined Nov 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4144 times:
Wow!!!
That would be awsome... a non-stop SANTIAGO-WASHINGTON DULLES or SANTIAGO-CHICAGO O´HARE. Maybe UA is thinking to do their routes CHICAGO-EZEIZA or DULLES-EZEIZA an extention to SCL.... although, with so many flights daily on SCL-EZE-SCL route, its just no necessary.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4134 times:
Flyfirst:
For some of your flights you forgot to mention that there is a stop-over, for example: SCL-LAX is actually via LIM. I assume some flights are operated by LP and not LA, correct?
Still, 2 daily flight for a OW hub is not substantive and means that traffic is thin.
Seattle ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3881 times:
Doesn't Chile require hiring a large number of Chilean nationals in order to operate to SCL?
Iluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3789 times:
Quoting Flyfirst (reply 9): Hardiwv:
Yes you are right:
LA X 7: SCL-LIM-LAX
LP X 7: SCL-LIM-LAX
LA X 7: SCL-LIM JFK
The LanPeru flight only operates 3 times a week, not 7.
LatinAviation From Ireland, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3610 times:
Quoting Seattle ops (reply 11): Doesn't Chile require hiring a large number of Chilean nationals in order to operate to SCL?
I don't believe so, though AA has an F/A base there, UA did and DL's LatAm res office is in Chile.
I don't think CO did well with the DC-10 to SCL, at least that's what I hear from the New York market.
UA did fine to SCL for a while, they even operated the 777 there for a short while. But LatAm was never a big priority for United and the costs of maintaining an F/A base in SCL (mainly US citizens, not foreign nationals) and the closing of the Miami mini-hub, I don't think it made sense for them.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3573 times:
Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3526 times:
I dont think the SCL nonstop market is that strong to the USA. LA actually upgraded one of its daily flights into JFK nonstop SCL-JFK, but dropped it back to one-stop via LIM soon after 9/11.
Ezra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 456 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (reply 14): Is it correct that the only destination served by DL B777 is SCL? (in Brazil DL operates only B767s).
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
It is true that the only international destination presently served by DL 764 is SCL.
The 764 goes to LIM...not SCL. SCL sees the 763ER.
CAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 497 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3509 times:
I remember CO used to go to SCL with a 757 it was IAH-LIM-SCL. It was not working out. The LIM-SCL portion only had like 15 passengers sometimes.
CO would be intrested but if its between SCL or PVG or something like that, Sorry SCL will be for later.
CO also has COPA going there so they just send passengers thru PTY.
CAL........Continental Airlines....... Work Hard, Fly Right
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16260 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3470 times:
Quoting CAL (reply 19): I remember CO used to go to SCL with a 757 it was IAH-LIM-SCL
That flight replaced the EWR-SCL nonstop DC-10, which every time I saw it had a good load.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4584 posts, RR: 26 Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
CO codeshares on DL's ATL-SCL route currently. According to some DL people I've spoken to, the key reason for DL doing OK and staying in the SCL market is mostly due to cargo.
Lan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3315 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (reply 2): A full flight does not mean profit, you have to look at high-yielding pax, especially on business/first class. SCL is traditionally a low-yielding market.
At least Delta's daily flight ATL-SCL relies heavily on cargo.So you don't have to look only for high yielding pax. You also need a fair amount of cargo, and SCL has it.
Quoting Hardiwv (reply 8): Still, 2 daily flight for a OW hub is not substantive and means that traffic is thin.
As far as I know, United has two daily flights to GRU. One from ORD and one from IAD. So, 2 daily flights for a Star hub is not substantive and means traffic is thin
Quoting Flyguy1 (reply 16): I dont think the SCL nonstop market is that strong to the USA. LA actually upgraded one of its daily flights into JFK nonstop SCL-JFK, but dropped it back to one-stop via LIM soon after 9/11.
From what I've read, LanChile launched non-stop flights from SCL to JFK so they could get rid of CO on the SCL-NYC market. Probably there are other reasons.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3293 times:
Quoting Lan_Fanatic (reply 22): As far as I know, United has two daily flights to GRU. One from ORD and one from IAD. So, 2 daily flights for a Star hub is not substantive and means traffic is thin
UA two daily flights have to be seen in perspective with GRU's 1) CO two daily flights + DL two daily flights + AA 5 daily flights + JJ two daily flights + RG 18 x week flights; 2) UA focus on Asia.
It is correct to day that UA has been trailing behin in South America in general.
Quoting Lan_Fanatic (reply 22): At least Delta's daily flight ATL-SCL relies heavily on cargo
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3254 times:
Hardiwv,
you forget that Brazil has 10 times more inhabitans than Chile, and that Chile is has not a hub function, it is not possible with the geografic that they have. Sao Paulo has a much better position at the continent.
Please do not compare always all Southamerican countrys with Brazil...
Flights too and from SCL are doing well. Cargo is doing also great, look to LAN they have a good amount of operation to MIAMI and Europe, and the flights are nearly always full. North and Southbound. For example Cargolux witch goes from SCL full loaden with fresh fish to europe.
Chile is on the correct way.
Viva America del Sur.
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25 Klwright69: CO's LIM-SCL leg was a tag on from the EWR flight. The IAH-LIM continued on to Santa Cruz, Bolivia. CO was also planning on have pax from IAH to SCL c
26 Toxtethogrady: CO is the only US carrier to make a profit in Latin America, but I suspect they're not ready to take on service to either EZE or SCL. They don't like
27 Hardiwv: I very much dispute this statement. I am sure AA makes large profits in its South American operations, which is reflected in the fact that AA uses it
28 Juventus: A bit off topic. Had a conversation with an ex Eastern Airlines Captain. When Eastern went belly up, he got a call, at the hotel, in Santiago. His chi
29 ContinentalEWR: CO used to operate a daily DC10-30 service from EWR to SCL. The route was suspended, then the plan was to reinstate it, with a 757, operating an EWR-L
30 Klwright69: I think CO will retain the double daily TLV flight at least for the summer high season. I don't think they will reduce this (unless terrorism erupts i
31 Hardiwv: But apparently they also took off the 777 from the AMS-EWR route, now operating with the 767, correct? AMS-IAH is also 767 if I'm not mistaken. Rgs,
32 LatinAviation: IIRC, AA purchased Eastern's routes to Latin America. I don't believe AA was operating to Santiago prior to Eastern going belly-up.
33 Klwright69: LatinAviation, I too thought the same thing when I read that one....
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