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Why No LAX-BOG?  
User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

I just tried to book my flight from LAX to Bogota, Colombia and NO ONE has a non-stop flight. What gives? Miami is much smaller than LA, YET has DOZENS of non-stop flights to BOG.

These are two of the biggest cities in the world; how could not enough people travel between them???

Must I (against my will) take Delta through Atlanta or Continental through Houston?


Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

AV used to have a non-stop flight LAX-BOG till a couple of years ago. At some point the flight was tried with a stop in MEX. It was one of the flights chopped when the company became financially troubled.
MIA has a larger pupulation of Colombians than LA does, and hence the difference.
I do trust that LAX is one of the routes that will be restarted now that AV has new ownership and good prospects.
In the meantime, take your pick: CO, DL or even MX/AV thorugh MEX.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting Lrgt (reply 0):
Miami is much smaller than LA, YET has DOZENS of non-stop flights to BOG.


And Miami has non-stops to Cali, Cartagena, Baranquilla, and Colombia. Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

>And Miami has non-stops to Cali, Cartagena, Baranquilla, and Colombia.<

Also to Medelin

>Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.<

Kind of, I would think that would be in Colombia Big grin.

BOG-LAX is on AV's list of destinations for the near future. While not having as significant a Colombian community as Miami, LA has a massive Latin community, heavier business traffic and a fair sized Colombian population



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User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3488 times:
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AV used to operate three flights a week on Boeing 757/767´s from BOG-LAX-BOG during the Christmas season as a non stop and the rest of the year via BOG-MEX-LAX-MEX-BOG, once it was even operated BOG-CUN-LAX-CUN-BOG. The main passenger group who used the route where in transit passengers from South America through to Asia via LAX.

Since the mandatory transit visa for the majority of the Latin American countries was placed by the US, everybody is going via Canada, Mexico or Europe to catch connections to the orient.

Passenger loads where only good for summer vacation and Christmas time when the Colombians residing in the California area traveled to visit their kin, the rest of the year they where extremely low.

AV757


User currently offlineHR001 From Honduras, joined Nov 2004, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Why don't give Copa (CM) a try LAX-PTY-BOG, great service and brand new 737G's.



Hr001


User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Well I'm sure AV will go back to LAX , now that has a new owner and president .
The future is very bright for AV at MCO the Colombia community is growing very fast too , I am sure that AV or other colombian airline will come to MCO soon.

Also , I thought that today was the day that AV will show the new colors.


User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

I flew LAX-MEX-BOG on AV back in 1998. It was on a 757 with the stop in MEX for 50 minutes. Both my outgoing and return flights were fully packed, with a lot off passengers making connections to GIG, EZE, GRU, and LIM.

Too bad AV axed this route. It was one of the few "exotics" left. The plane used to park at Terminl 2's gate 21. perfect for pics.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

nice and intresting to hear this about LAX...

now I would love to know why some days ago I was critisized about the matter that I mentioned that California can support at least a daily B737-800 AA from DFW to MIA. Better if they receive a direct link, because there is the demand and no as mentioned on the other topic that California has a very small Colombian community...

regards



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?

...Los Angeles, right? or is it Boston?

What is AV's next US city outside of Florida? LAX, BOS, EWR, Perhaps Vegas?

Also, I would think that AV would have more than 1 flight to 1 city out of New York (JFK-BOG daily), when they serve 5 cities, most with multiple frequencies from MIA.

Their flights from Miami almost make it look like they are the #2 carrier at MIA on # of flights!!!



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting N1120A (reply 3):
>Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.<

Kind of, I would think that would be in Colombia Big grin.


I don't know; with that many flights he may be correct!



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Quoting Lrgt (reply 10):
Quoting N1120A (reply 3):
>Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.<

Kind of, I would think that would be in Colombia Big grin.

I don't know; with that many flights he may be correct!


This is very funny jejeje, but no doubt the world largest Colombian Community is my home town BOG, 8 million Colombians and growing.  Smile

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
Also, I would think that AV would have more than 1 flight to 1 city out of New York (JFK-BOG daily)



Actually, AV serves three different cities from JFK. MDE nonstop and CLO [via MDE] are the other two. But not daily, 4 weekly services.

JFK-BOG, although served only once daily off-season, gets increased with several additional weekly services in high travelling periods.





SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2570 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?

...Los Angeles, right? or is it Boston?


Maybe CCS?


User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (reply 13):
Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?

...Los Angeles, right? or is it Boston?


Maybe CCS?


I think they meant in the US, I think that if we talk about Colombian Communities worldwide Madrid would be third in that list.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?


Avianca's third US gateway: Fort Lauderdale. And San Juan is up there too, I bet.

Quote:
What is AV's next US city outside of Florida? LAX, BOS, EWR, Perhaps Vegas?


I wouldn't look for them to add any other US cities any time soon. Maybe SJU, that's it.



a.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 15):
Avianca's third US gateway: Fort Lauderdale. And San Juan is up there too, I bet.


maybe they can open San Juan again with the new Fokker100 aircrafts.
But SJU is not that big market from Colombia, for sure they are focusing before other citys in the US, like LAX, BOS, ATL or even ORD.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24796 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

In population terms the NYC metro area has the largest Colombian population within the US with approximately 190,000 people. South Florida comes in second with nearly 160,000. Far away in third place is the LA area with about 35,000.

Avianca indeed has tried to make the LAX route work for several decades. As mentioned by prior posters the loads however have been quite varied due to the seasonal nature of the market. There were long periods of the year when the flight would be carrying less than 50 people. Hence the airline has tried to tie in the LA route as a tag to its Mexico City services.

However as the airline experienced severe financial difficulties within the last few years it has been forced to cut the LA route.

In general terms while Los Angeles has a huge Latino population, the majority are from Mexico and Central America. The South America population pale in comparison to the millions from Mexico and Central America.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting Laxintl (reply 17):
In population terms the NYC metro area has the largest Colombian population within the US with approximately 190,000 people. South Florida comes in second with nearly 160,000. Far away in third place is the LA area with about 35,000.


The largest legal resident population of Colombians in the US is Miami/Fort Lauderdale, with 100,000 legal residents. In addition, there are roughly 120,000 non-US citizen Colombians living in Miami.

[Edited 2005-02-25 05:34:45]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting Avianca (reply 16):
But SJU is not that big market from Colombia, for sure they are focusing before other citys in the US, like LAX, BOS, ATL or even ORD.


It is a lot bigger of a market than BOS, ATL, and ORD, that's for sure.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

LRQT: going back to what you said about being AV being # 2 carrier with most flights out of MIA after AA (Of Course!), im sure they are right up there w/ LAN that has multiple flights to points all over South America, Grupo TACA to Central America and Peru.

But AV does have a very large presence at MIA! I remember seeing the classic AV 707's and 742's at MIA back in the earrrrrrrly 90's and 80's.



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2570 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Hmm Im pretty sure there must be around 500.000 colombians here in Caracas, that's huge.

In Venezuela we have 2.5 million colombians spread around the country, at least 500.000 must be here in CCS.


User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

I WASN'T SERIOUS about AV being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. I said this as a joke (that it SEEMED like it)....ARE THEY REALLY??? WOW!

This it is quite sad that one of the bussiest US airports has a non-US carrier as having the 2nd most number of flights. It just shows how AA has no significant domestic company there.

....I cannot think of one other US (48-states) airport where that is EVEN CLOSE to being true.



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting Lrgt (reply 22):
I WASN'T SERIOUS about AV being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. I said this as a joke (that it SEEMED like it)....ARE THEY REALLY??? WOW!

This it is quite sad that one of the bussiest US airports has a non-US carrier as having the 2nd most number of flights. It just shows how AA has no significant domestic company there.

....I cannot think of one other US (48-states) airport where that is EVEN CLOSE to being true.


Ummm, it's not true. Avianca isn't even close to being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. Delta is. Followed by Continental, LAN, TACA, and US Airways.



a.
User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 23):
Avianca isn't even close to being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. Delta is. Followed by Continental, LAN, TACA, and US Airways.



Do US Air, Delta, and Continental really all have more flights out of MIA than AV?



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
25 MAH4546 : Avianca - 30 weekly flights Continental - approx. 280 weekly flights Delta - approx. 147 weekly flights US Airways - 77 weekly flights LAN - approx.
26 757MDE : SJU is a mixed market, Aces operated to SJU with 727s and A320s and although it wasn't a bad route, it's not like it was the mega top performer. LAX c
27 AV757 : AV officially announced that the ceremony of the presentation, launch and unveiling of its new colors with the new company image will occur on Monday
28 Avianca : really? in what kind? Puerto Rico is maybe a small leisure destination for Colombians. In Puerto Rico are not really a lot of Colombians living, ther
29 Post contains images MIASkies : MAH... & LRQT : Guys I never said about AV being # 2 in MIA, I said w/ regards to your comment about being # 2, they have to be right up there w/ LAN
30 JUANR : Great News!!, One Question, will it be open to the public, I have time to attend and if I could that would be great!. Juan SKBO
31 Lrgt : AV on AV really only has an average of 4 flights per day from MIA TOTAL??? That does not seem correct! They must have at least that just to BOG! ...al
32 Lrgt : Is BOS a bigger market to Colombia than LAX? I would think Vegas would be quite a popular route, NOT because of Colombian population, but for tourism.
33 MAH4546 : Yes, four daily flights One daily each to BOG/PEI, MDE, BAQ, and CLO, and two weekly flights to CTG. During peak travel in the summer and winter, CTG
34 757MDE : and MDE becomes double on peak travel, as the CTG daily is actually the second MDE - MIA (via CTG)
35 RCS763AV : BOG becomes 2x daily in high travel seasons (a 767 and a 757), PEI is just a connection, but it is sold as one flight. When AX arrive, they have to de
36 MAH4546 : Yes, but it doesn't increase the number of daily flights to MIA any further. Actually, this is one of those few direct flights that really is direct.
37 Post contains links JUANR : I am not really sure about it: http://www.avianca.com.co/Lealtad/Re...2005&vuelo=&origen=MIA&destino=PEI Juan SKBO
38 MAH4546 : Well, in public reservation systems, such as Amadeus, the BOG-PEI-BOG leg is listed as a 767.
39 757MDE : Yes, we're both right. Just wanted to point that out. AFAIK the largest plane AV operates into PEI is a MD-83, no 767, I just asked a friend who live
40 Airafriquedkr : I checked Sabre, Apollo and Worldspan and they all show AV7 MIA-BOG-PEI as a 767 into Bogota and a change of planes to a MD-83 from Bogota to Pereira.
41 RCS763AV : AV operated the 767 into PEI in the 90´s as a tag from MIA, but its not that way anymore, people have to change planes in BOG.
42 Avianca : AV did in the past some wrong things on the MIA flights... I can remember using the AV evening flight from MIA to BOG, arriving 02:00 am in BOG. Not r
43 Post contains images JUANR : When arriving to BOG anytime is good. Juan SKBO
44 Post contains images Avianca : yes normally absolut!!! que viva colombia... but at 02:00 am for me with my european skin it was not that funny... the bad guys where waiting for us
45 EddieDude : Lrgt, I encourage you to try LAX-MEX-BOG with MX. MX has great service. And it codeshares with AV, so depending on your times, you may get AV service
46 757MDE : The bad guys await for anyone at any Airport, is just a matter of having common sense (it's not like you're gonna show-off your brand new camera in t
47 RCS763AV : Remember there are no plans to start LAX anytime soon. Right now Eformovich wants Europe (FRA, LON, BCN, CDG....) and AV will start BOG-YYZ 3x a week
48 Juanr : This is the most stupid comment you've made so far in these forums man, seems like you've never been here before. Juan SKBO
49 Avianca : Juan, I love Colombia as you did it. But I only say the thinks they are. I was over 10 times in Colombia, and for sure Colombia is more dangerous for
50 JUANR : Avianca: please check what I quoted on my comment: the stupid thing was not about the safety/unsafety of Colombia; your stupid comment was the referen
51 Avianca : for sure my comment was not racist, and I am not a racist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry but it is not my foult that it is fact that Colombia is more dan
52 RCS763AV : Funnily enough, gringos are Americans. Only cheap people call Europeans gringos.
53 Mrniji : Having a Colombian Girlfriend, who is probably whiter and fairer than you, I can only reject your comment, which is full of stereotypes.. do all colo
54 Summa767 : it;s not just about skin colour. There is something in the behaviour, the clothes, mannerisms. I am very average looking Colombian, and having spent m
55 Avianca : Mrniji, for sure I do not think that a Colombian is black, brown, yellow or what else. And it is not "my" ill constructed world, I posted what the ma
56 Avianca : I never said that I am white just I have an european skin (style) thats all. So please ..... so it is very good possible that your girlfriend is whit
57 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Yes, you've got plenty of options. also via IAH with CO, via PTY with CM, via MIA with AA or even with DL via ATL (but I'm not sure of the timings) Or
58 757MDE : How could I have forgotten Taca? of course! Specially since they're serving BOG 2 daily if I'm not wrong.
59 RCS763AV : No, TA are only serving BOG 10x a week. A daily SJO-BOG-SJO flight (A320) and a 3x weekly LIM-BOG-SJO-BOG-LIM flight (A319).
60 Post contains images MrNiji : And I do have understandings for believing in this (as you say, "ritch"), should your estimate be true - the boastful way MNCs, some the few tourists
61 Avianca : first I do not know what your problem is, for sure people from some European country's, appear arrogant and point there money, the effect is that the
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