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Am New York: 19 Near-misses In NY Airspace  
User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3573 times:



According to New York commuter paper "AM New York," there have been 19 near-misses in mid-air in the last 7 weeks, in metro New York airspace. The cover story is on this issue. The article goes on to talk about the growing shortage of ATCs here and says that planes are "getting dangerously close to one another here." The New York area is "woefully understaffed." Last year, 500 ATCs retired, and only 13 new hires!

what is going on here? why are ATCs so hard to recruit? any thoughts?



[Edited 2005-02-24 16:51:55]

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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

http://www.nynewsday.com/other/special/amny/

here's the article link, sorry


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

I read the article this morning... why so hard to recruit you ask? Too stressful and highly skilled a job for the pay.


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User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

The photo they used on the cover looked a litttle old, with a BA 747 in Landor colours in the background and how many Airtours aircraft fly to New York?  Smile


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

that picture they used looks like somewhere (Gander?) during the 9-11 day when the airports were shut down, how often would you see that mix of aircraft at remote stands??


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User currently offlinePDXFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

I wonder how they defined near misses, and what the average rate is in NY airspace.

User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

If the FAA deals with controller replacements the way they delt with upgrading the hardware, things will only get worse.

Not that I'm a fan of privatization (ATC for the lowest bidder?). But there has to be someone in government that has their ***t together.TC



FL450, M.85
User currently offlineYhz78 From Canada, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (reply 4):


Quoting Alitalia744 (reply 4):
that picture they used looks like somewhere (Gander?) during the 9-11 day when the airports were shut down, how often would you see that mix of aircraft at remote stands??

That is actually YHZ, taken in the few days after 9/11. Judging from the view of the picture, the photographer is standing at the 06 end of 06/24, and all the planes are parked on 15/33.
Just in case anybody cared. Smile



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2195 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

NYCFler.."what is going on here? why are ATCs so hard to recruit? any thoughts?"

It's not that ATCs are hard to recruit. It's the Dumb Ass FAA did NOT start hiring replacement ATCs 4 years ago when they should have. Based on historical data such as academic failures, OJT washouts, and those who choose not to continue, FAA should have hired about 5000 per year for the last 4 years. Yeah that would be 20,000. 75% of which will never become ATCs for whatever reason. A lot of today's ATCs are also moving on to management jobs, so that's not even a net gain of 5000. I don't have the number now, but if I recall correctly, 6000 are eligible to retire by September 2007
Granted this was many years ago, of the 12 in my class that made it to the facility for local training, 3 of us certified as ATCs.

Oh, by the way, air traffic is increasing as ATCS (ATCO) numbers are decreasing. The post 9/11 slump was mostly "passenger" numbers, not air traffic movement numbers. The biz jets and GA kept flying, the military kept flying, and the box haulers kept flying. US Airways could go in the dumper tomorrow, and in 9 months our traffic count would be right back where it is today.

Better stop. I feel a rant coming on.



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