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Boeing Update Order Book, 717s & 787s  
User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4144 posts, RR: 90
Posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7836 times:
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Boeing have updated their order page and there are some interesting changes. Some good, one not so good.

6 x 787 have been firmed by First Choice
4 x 777 for AF, The recent options conversion (link below)
2 x 777 for ANA
2 x 777 Listed under changes. Not even UFO.

There have also been some cancellations,

4 x 767
14 x 717

Is it Pembroke who cancelled the 717s and how does that leave the 717 back log? If not, no carrier has that many outstanding do they?

I assume the 2 777 are for ANA? and the 767 cancellations theirs too? IIRC they were to convert 763 to 773ER.

I understand Boeing have done well recently but that's been very well covered in other threads, I'm refering only to what Boeing lists so thought I'd ask about some of the minor detail instead and would appreciate any clarification. Below is a link to a good thread on the AF 777 and the Boeing page I refer to. (Airbus update their site early March)

Regards

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1962475

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5750 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 7711 times:

The 14 717 cancellations are a big surprise even though Boeing is shuting down the line I would have thought that the great economics of the plane and the fact that Boeing will continue to support the aircraft would have precluded any cancellations.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5750 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 7660 times:

I believe that the 787 now has 62 firm and 129 committments that are negotiating to be firmed up.


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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 7626 times:

Half the 717 order book?

Ouch.

Boeing's having a good year, but some folks in Long beach are going to be pretty upset.



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2107 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 7604 times:

717's are Pembroke, no customers to take them.

767's I think it goes like this-
ANA ordered 2 x 763F, replacing 2 x 763 PAX. Order shown last year, but not cancelled until now.
The 773ER replaced the other 2 x 763, so four cancellations shown now.

Although bad news for the 717 and 767 lines, the future is bright on the 737, 777 and 787. Boeing seem to be fighting back, and it is probably a good time to clear out the poorer performers in the family.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13008 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 7589 times:
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767 cancelations do not surprise me; The cost for the remaining life is too high.

With 14 717 cancelations... what's that keep the line open to, this June? Yikes! Boeing is pretty commited to vendors, perhaps FL will be getting a deal? (Pure speculation obviously.)

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5750 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 7550 times:

Yeah it looks like Pembroke. That means that there are only 17 717s left on the unfilled oreder book. A couple to Turmenistan Airlines, 7 more for Midwest and probably the rest to AirTran.


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4144 posts, RR: 90
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7347 times:
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Quoting Col (reply 4):
The 773ER replaced the other 2 x 763


Thanks. ANA said 2 Conversions and 2 new orders. So that's why 8 777s are listed.

Quoting NYC777 (reply 6):
probably the rest to AirTran.


IIRC 6 for AirTran

Regards



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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

The cancellation of the Pembroke order is no surprise for me, as it was announced by Boeing before. I believe this cancellation is one of the reasons for Boeing to stop the line in 2006. I hope another carrier (Airtran, Midwest or Aebal) is ordering some more....there are now 14 delivery positions open...

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7070 times:
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Current 717 orders are for:
Airtran - 7
Midwest - 8
Turkmenistan Airlines - 2


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2107 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

I think we can say that the 717 is gone. Midwest will be looking for a sister ship, maybe 737NG as Airtran.

767 will probably stop, but Harry has said he will re-start for tanker if it takes longer.

Airbus will probably loose the 300/310 soon also.

All great aircraft, but alas age has caught up.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Airtran has publicly said that Boeing came to them and asked about keeping the 717 line open, but FL has decided to go with 737s for future growth in new jets. I wouldn't be surprised , however, if some used 717s became available at a good price, they would be interested.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13008 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6403 times:
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Quickmover: Also recall that Airtran, be playing A vs. B, was quoted as saying its cheaper for them to fly the 737 than the 717 due to the deal they received; so I too bet their decisions are $$$ based.

Note: I didn't realize there were that many other 717 orders. I mistakenly assumed the 14 were part of the final production run. oops.

Is Midwest economically healthy enough to keep accepting 717s? With the current state of the market I hope this is seen as a fair question.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6006 times:
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Quoting Col (reply 10):
I think we can say that the 717 is gone

Yip B717 production will be dead soon and the lights and machines at the production factory will be turned off for the final time.


User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

The day they close LGB will be a sad day. I lived in Long Beach in the '70's and would bike to LGB every weekend. Nothing better for a teenager to do then watch the planes and wish I was flying somewhere.


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User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Great info, panam. Thanks for the update!

Quoting 777ER (reply 13):
Yip B717 production will be dead soon and the lights and machines at the production factory will be turned off for the final time.


When did Boeing say that? Can we get an affirmative date on when they will stop production, or is that just a rumor? I know AirTran will continue making their 717 orders sometime soon so I'm not sure if Boeing would do that or not. Than again; AirTran might start operating a huge fleet of 737s now so who knows.


User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Quoting Airgeek12 (reply 15):
When did Boeing say that? Can we get an affirmative date on when they will stop production, or is that just a rumor? I know AirTran will continue making their 717 orders sometime soon so I'm not sure if Boeing would do that or not. Than again; AirTran might start operating a huge fleet of 737s now so who knows.


Boeing has publicly announced the end of the 717-200 production line.

"The 717 brings tremendous value to the airlines that operate it. Unfortunately, the overall market for the airplane does not support continuing 717 production beyond delivering on our current commitments,” said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally. “We extend our appreciation and gratitude to all our employees, customers and partners who worked so well together on the 717. The moving production line pioneered on this airplane will be a lasting legacy across our current and future airplane programs.

“As with all Boeing airplanes, we will continue to provide exceptional customer support for 717s in service for many years to come. And Boeing will continue to compete aggressively with our popular 737 Next Generation family of airplanes, which serves the 100- to 215-seat market,” said Mulally.


http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050114a.html

Hopefully FL will jump in and get those 14 717s



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Sunking737

Don't worry, the C-17 line at LGB is still alive and well, so it's not a total loss


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting NYC777 (reply 1):
The 14 717 cancellations are a big surprise even though Boeing is shuting down the line I would have thought that the great economics of the plane and the fact that Boeing will continue to support the aircraft would have precluded any cancellations.


I was surprised too for the same reasons until I thought it over: Who wants an airplane no longer in production where spare parts and engines come only at premium prices? Besides, the 737 is available as a viable replacement for most operators.

I love the 717 and hope to see it flying for 30 years.



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