PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4273 posts, RR: 87 Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8298 times:
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Boeing have updated their order page and there are some interesting changes. Some good, one not so good.
6 x 787 have been firmed by First Choice
4 x 777 for AF, The recent options conversion (link below)
2 x 777 for ANA
2 x 777 Listed under changes. Not even UFO.
There have also been some cancellations,
4 x 767
14 x 717
Is it Pembroke who cancelled the 717s and how does that leave the 717 back log? If not, no carrier has that many outstanding do they?
I assume the 2 777 are for ANA? and the 767 cancellations theirs too? IIRC they were to convert 763 to 773ER.
I understand Boeing have done well recently but that's been very well covered in other threads, I'm refering only to what Boeing lists so thought I'd ask about some of the minor detail instead and would appreciate any clarification. Below is a link to a good thread on the AF 777 and the Boeing page I refer to. (Airbus update their site early March)
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5912 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8173 times:
The 14 717 cancellations are a big surprise even though Boeing is shuting down the line I would have thought that the great economics of the plane and the fact that Boeing will continue to support the aircraft would have precluded any cancellations.
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2208 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8066 times:
717's are Pembroke, no customers to take them.
767's I think it goes like this-
ANA ordered 2 x 763F, replacing 2 x 763 PAX. Order shown last year, but not cancelled until now.
The 773ER replaced the other 2 x 763, so four cancellations shown now.
Although bad news for the 717 and 767 lines, the future is bright on the 737, 777 and 787. Boeing seem to be fighting back, and it is probably a good time to clear out the poorer performers in the family.
717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7739 times:
The cancellation of the Pembroke order is no surprise for me, as it was announced by Boeing before. I believe this cancellation is one of the reasons for Boeing to stop the line in 2006. I hope another carrier (Airtran, Midwest or Aebal) is ordering some more....there are now 14 delivery positions open...
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7249 times:
Airtran has publicly said that Boeing came to them and asked about keeping the 717 line open, but FL has decided to go with 737s for future growth in new jets. I wouldn't be surprised , however, if some used 717s became available at a good price, they would be interested.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 14794 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6865 times:
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Quickmover: Also recall that Airtran, be playing A vs. B, was quoted as saying its cheaper for them to fly the 737 than the 717 due to the deal they received; so I too bet their decisions are $$$ based.
Note: I didn't realize there were that many other 717 orders. I mistakenly assumed the 14 were part of the final production run. oops.
Is Midwest economically healthy enough to keep accepting 717s? With the current state of the market I hope this is seen as a fair question.
Sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2093 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5636 times:
The day they close LGB will be a sad day. I lived in Long Beach in the '70's and would bike to LGB every weekend. Nothing better for a teenager to do then watch the planes and wish I was flying somewhere.
Airgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
Great info, panam. Thanks for the update!
Quoting 777ER (reply 13): Yip B717 production will be dead soon and the lights and machines at the production factory will be turned off for the final time.
When did Boeing say that? Can we get an affirmative date on when they will stop production, or is that just a rumor? I know AirTran will continue making their 717 orders sometime soon so I'm not sure if Boeing would do that or not. Than again; AirTran might start operating a huge fleet of 737s now so who knows.
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5234 times:
Quoting Airgeek12 (reply 15): When did Boeing say that? Can we get an affirmative date on when they will stop production, or is that just a rumor? I know AirTran will continue making their 717 orders sometime soon so I'm not sure if Boeing would do that or not. Than again; AirTran might start operating a huge fleet of 737s now so who knows.
Boeing has publicly announced the end of the 717-200 production line.
"The 717 brings tremendous value to the airlines that operate it. Unfortunately, the overall market for the airplane does not support continuing 717 production beyond delivering on our current commitments,” said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally. “We extend our appreciation and gratitude to all our employees, customers and partners who worked so well together on the 717. The moving production line pioneered on this airplane will be a lasting legacy across our current and future airplane programs.
“As with all Boeing airplanes, we will continue to provide exceptional customer support for 717s in service for many years to come. And Boeing will continue to compete aggressively with our popular 737 Next Generation family of airplanes, which serves the 100- to 215-seat market,” said Mulally.
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3886 times:
Quoting NYC777 (reply 1): The 14 717 cancellations are a big surprise even though Boeing is shuting down the line I would have thought that the great economics of the plane and the fact that Boeing will continue to support the aircraft would have precluded any cancellations.
I was surprised too for the same reasons until I thought it over: Who wants an airplane no longer in production where spare parts and engines come only at premium prices? Besides, the 737 is available as a viable replacement for most operators.
I love the 717 and hope to see it flying for 30 years.