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AC Mainline Says Au Revoir To 9 Cities  
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

Air Canada to implement network and fleet realignment. Consistent with our previously announced restructuring plan and in order to achieve our profitability targets, Air Canada Jazz is boosting regional jet service to communities across Canada beginning with its summer 2005 schedule. These enhanced services at Jazz complement our growing network at the mainline as we expand to incorporate six additional Boeing 767 widebodies and 60 Embraer aircraft that will join our fleet beginning this year. The 767's are scheduled for service to international destinations, such as the Toronto-Rome route being introduced this summer, while the Embraer fleet will be deployed to increase frequency in current markets and for the start-up of new routes.

Air Canada Jazz is also growing with the addition of 15 Bombardier CRJ-705 aircraft to its fleet in May. An expanded Air Canada Jazz regional jet fleet will allow us to realign our network to ensure that we deploy the right aircraft type to meet travel demand in each market we serve. As the first generation of CRJ-100 allowed us to do in the Canada-U.S. transborder market almost 10 years ago, the arrival of these new generation regional jets is important as it will allow us to enhance service in many of our domestic markets by offering more comfort, choice in non-stop markets served and more frequencies than ever before.

With the realignment of our domestic netowrk, service will be provided EXCLUSIVELY by Air Canada Jazz in the following cities effective May 3 2005: Charlottetown (YYG), Saint John (YSJ), Moncton (YQM), Quebec City (YQB) and Thunder Bay (YQT); and effective October 1, 2005 in Regina (YQR), Saskatoon (YXE) and Whitehorse (YXY).


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Make that 10 cities. Effective June 1st all AC service into IAH will be operated by AC Jazz, until such time that the Embraers make their way onto that route. Currently YYZ-IAH is operated by Jazz, and will be joined by YYC-IAH, as the 319's are redeployed elsewhere.


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User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 646 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

This is great news. AC will be able to focus on Canada's main markets (YVR, YYC, YEG, YWG, YYZ, YOW, YUL, YHZ, and YYT), as well as international destinations, including major U.S. markets.

I think a bunch of us should try and get a ticket on the first Jazz -705, and AC -175 and 190.

Could be fun...

-Brandon


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6537 times:

Unfortunately the good news won't be shared by the 300+ employees at those online stations who will be forced to transfer, accept severance or avail themselves to lay-offs. All aspects of ground handling will also be transferred over to ACJazz.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

aren't there supposed to be new destinations announced from YYC? has this occurred or is it still in the works? How about new destinations from YUL/YOW?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Unfortunately the good news won't be shared by the 300+ employees at those online stations who will be forced to transfer, accept severance or avail themselves to lay-offs. All aspects of ground handling will also be transferred over to ACJazz

C'est la vie. Some could always take the package and apply to work at Jazz. While they would earn entry level Jazz wages, they would be able to bank the package to supplement their pensions...


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12593 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Looks like Anne of Green Gables will be flying Jazz to YYG!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

Quebec City? Hmmm, that is interesting. This is a city roughly the size of Winnipeg, or about 700K. I thought it gets at least A319s to YYZ.

User currently offlineACYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting Samurai 777 (reply 7):
Quebec City? Hmmm, that is interesting. This is a city roughly the size of Winnipeg, or about 700K.


The difference is that Winnipeg has a Maint. Center for mainline, as well as finance offices and a mainline crew base. AC has too much history in Winnipeg to pull the plug and go to only Jazz there, hell, AC's headquarters used to be in the Richardson building in downtown Winnipeg!


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Any word on if they will start up their YVR-NGO route again. It is on and off more often than Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony. It is still listed as NGO to North American routes at Chubu.


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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

The difference is that Winnipeg has a Maint. Center for mainline, as well as finance offices and a mainline crew base. AC has too much history in Winnipeg to pull the plug and go to only Jazz there, hell, AC's headquarters used to be in the Richardson building in downtown Winnipeg!

AC also has a call centre in Wpg.

Any word on if they will start up their YVR-NGO route again. It is on and off more often than Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony. It is still listed as NGO to North American routes at Chubu.


It restarts in April and I believe it is daily.


User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (reply 0):
With the realignment of our domestic netowrk, service will be provided EXCLUSIVELY by Air Canada Jazz in the following cities effective May 3 2005: Charlottetown (YYG), Saint John (YSJ), Moncton (YQM), Quebec City (YQB) and Thunder Bay (YQT); and effective October 1, 2005 in Regina (YQR), Saskatoon (YXE) and Whitehorse (YXY).


YXY has had only ACJazz-service since last summer, don't know what the May date means than, but it sounds like YXY won't see much change..

IM


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32897 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Quoting IMatAMS (reply 11):

YXY has had only ACJazz-service since last summer, don't know what the May date means than, but it sounds like YXY won't see much change..


The CRJs will be seasonally replaced with two daily A319s this June through October.



a.
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

Centrair

This summer, AC009/10 is starting up to NGO from YVR. In mid-April, it will be a five time weekly basis but basically after that, they will offer daily service into NGO.



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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

If YXY is CRJ, why not serve YZF? Obviously they can't be carrying much cargo to YXY.

User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Quite a surprise about YQM. Moncton has been growing at a steady pace with Canjet and Westjet in the past few years. I guess competition forced AC mainline out; well, no AC has only been using CRJs to YQM.


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User currently offlineMd11dude From Canada, joined May 2004, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Yes, In the summer months, toursim literally explodes in Whitehorse. I can attest to the aircarft that serve this market. Condor now has two weekly flights in the summer with 763's---and AC pretty much has to switch to larger planes. I wonder How the competion will be, as Air north is apparently doing just fine on the YXY-YVR run with its 73's I hope they at least switch to the CRJ-700 next winter. The 200s are just too bloody small. And there range concerns me as well. Are they ER's?


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User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

AC has too much history in Winnipeg to pull the plug and go to only Jazz there,

Plus the YWG-YYZ is just way too heavily travelled for mainline to ever abandon that route. Kinda surprising though to see YQB-YYZ not keep 1 or 2 daily 319s. Ditto for YQR/YXE-YYZ, would have thought that would have stayed mainline with the E75s/E90s.

Hopefully all these new CRJs will result in some new non-YYZ routes within the east or to the east.


User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 646 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

This is exactly what analysts were pushing for. AC should only be serving major centres. The rest can go to Jazz with their lower pay scale and costs.

It looks like Gary Fane is sticking his nose into this and telling everybody that they are going to court over this (National Post, Feb 25/05).


User currently offlineLawgman From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Quoting Yow (reply 17):
AC has too much history in Winnipeg to pull the plug and go to only Jazz there,

Plus the YWG-YYZ is just way too heavily travelled for mainline to ever abandon that route. Kinda surprising though to see YQB-YYZ not keep 1 or 2 daily 319s. Ditto for YQR/YXE-YYZ, would have thought that would have stayed mainline with the E75s/E90s.

Hopefully all these new CRJs will result in some new non-YYZ routes within the east or to the east.


Many of the cities they are downgrading to Jazz are Canjet (maritimes) or Westjet cities (sask.). I think running through Jazz is a great way to compete with the LCCs and is necessary for AC to continue to make profit (see Milton's presentations that are on AC's website).

Ultimately, part of the downgrade is resulting from AC's shift of the CRJs to Jazz as the new EMBs come on board. CRJ only cities will become Jazz only cities.

With respect to YWG and the differences between YWG and YQR, while there appears to be heavy YYZ/YWG traffic, ultimately, AC has no choice but to remain in YWG in full force. They are mandated by law to maintain operational and overhaul centres in Winnipeg (as a result of the politics involved in privitizing the airline).


User currently offlineFiedman From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

sorry to say but I think I beat you to it.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1976340/



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

FIEDMAN...
No big deal bud..but both your posts came after the fact. A.netters love to play.."beat you to the punch".



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quite a surprise about YQM. Moncton has been growing at a steady pace with Canjet and Westjet in the past few years.

Ya. I'm also surprised about YQM. Also YXE/YQR. YYZ-YXE is currently 3 daily 319 (sometimes a 320 on one flight). They are being replaced with 4 daily CR7.

I wonder how many (if any) 320/319's AC is returning to lessors once this large fleet of CR7/E175/E190 fleet are delivered?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Neil -

That remains the $64,000 question. According to the fleet plan, I don't think any A319's/A320's are scheduled for return in the next year.

Think major international expansion is in the cards, but has yet to be announced.

I would predict major Central America/Carribean/South America expansion in the works. With the US/transborder being basically flat, don't see major Airbus expansion happening.

My predictions:

Toronto/Bogota (Increased Service)
Toronto/Georgetown, Guyana (Previously announced)
Toronto/Salvador
Toronto/Guatamela
Toronto/Caracas (Restored Non-Stop Service)
Toronto/San Juan P.R. (Increased year round Service)
Toronto/Cancun (Daily year round Service)
Toronto/Panama City

Going to be alot of A319's/A320's liberated from this recent announcement. Any other route predictions?

[Edited 2005-02-25 23:59:15]


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Neil -

That remains the $64,000 question. According to the fleet plan, I don't think any A319's/A320's are scheduled for return in the next year.

Think major international expansion is in the cards, but has yet to be announced.


Wow. That is indeed major intl expansion! AC has some expiring 320 leases though that perhaps will result in some 320 being returned.

Toronto/Georgetown, Guyana (Previously announced)

I can't see more than 3x weekly at the most.

Toronto/Salvador
Toronto/Guatamela


As much as I ADORE the pro-Bush governments of El Salvadaor & Guatamala, I just don't see the demand for YYZ nonstops.

Toronto/Caracas (Restored Non-Stop Service)
Toronto/San Juan P.R. (Increased year round Service)
Toronto/Cancun (Daily year round Service)
Toronto/Panama City


It all makes sense to me. The yields would be good.

Going to be alot of A319's/A320's liberated from this recent announcement. Any other route predictions?

I just don't see these NEW cities providing enough new lift to justify all the 319/320 lift that is currently occupied on routes to YQM/YXE/YQR etc. AC has 16 320's dating from 90-91 leased frim GECAS/ILFC. I predict many of these will be quietly returned to the lessors. Otherwise, we are looking at a massive AC capacity increase. Perhaps YYZ-SAN again?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 Sebring : AC will indeed return some of its very oldest 320s to lessors. The 321 component (excluding the three 321s going back to Air France) are going to be s
26 YOW : Once these 9 stations become all Jazz employees, will some of them continue to see mainline service, even at least on a summer seasonal basis, such as
27 Sebring : I can't tell you that for this summer. But it is entirely possible that many stations will see mainly CR7 service on routes formerly served by A319s.
28 Yyz717 : Once these 9 stations become all Jazz employees, will some of them continue to see mainline service, even at least on a summer seasonal basis, such as
29 CanadianNorth : YXY has been Jazz since december, but all the employees are still mainline. We had Canadi>n 737-200Adv 2 daily winter 3 daily in summer then we had Ai
30 Post contains links YUL332LX : AC is reportedly looking for six additional 763s. Any idea where they might come from?
31 YOW : CanadianNorth, is YXY's loading bridge capable of handling an aircraft as small as a CRJ, or can it only handle mainline sized aircraft? Whitehorse an
32 Burnsie28 : The Saskatoon and Regina cities kind of shocked me, hell NW flies mainline to those cities!
33 PacificWestern : It's been ages since Air Canada gave a flying fawk about Saskatoon and Regina.
34 FLYACYYZ : AC's collective agreement vis a vis mainline/jazz is a tricky one. To answer the previous post, despite having daily AC metal into YYJ, that station h
35 ERJ170 : Okay FLYACYYZ... RDU was an AC (mainline) market.. then it went to all Jazz RJ.. then it went to AC and JAZZ RJ.. soon to return to all JAZZ RJ for a
36 Aviationman : Remember that the new YQB-YYZ schedule for the summer shows 8 x Jazz CRJ daily......compare to 5 (or maybe 4?). With regards to frequency, this is an
37 FLYACYYZ : ERJ170 - With the open skies agreement way back in 1995, and the huge wave of transborder expansion, all "new" AC cities were staffed primarily with U
38 ERJ170 : So UA will continue to handle AC American flights at those stations, even if they return to mainline AC?
39 FLYACYYZ : The staff reinstatement issue would only apply to AC scheduled online destinations prior to the 1995 open skies agreement as follows: LGA EWR JFK LAX
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