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FLYi May Take Legal Action Against AirTran  
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

I know that most of us read the AirTran Airways press release about Charlotte and immediately thought, Hmmm....they aren't the only low-cost carrier in Charlotte, Independence is already there....

Well now look what popped up in the charlotte observer

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/10940779.htm

Rival protests AirTran claim

Independence Air says Charlotte already has a low-fare carrier

TONY MECIA
Staff Writer

Hey, who you calling a high-fare carrier?

Independence Air on Friday said it will "consider legal action" against AirTran Airways, after AirTran sent out a news release proclaiming AirTran as the "only low-fare carrier serving Charlotte." A banner at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport on Thursday made the same claim.

Independence Air, considered by most in the industry to be a low-fare carrier, started flights to Charlotte from its Washington hub in October. Fares to its hub are as low as $118 round-trip, the same price AirTran is charging to its hubs in Atlanta and Baltimore.

"We still don't know whether they have made this error out of ignorance or dishonesty, but either way, it's completely unacceptable to us, and absolutely untrue," said Independence spokesman Rick DeLisi.

In response, AirTran spokesman Tad Hutcheson implied that Independence will not be around in the future, a concern shared by some industry analysts because its expenses have been higher than its revenues.

Hutcheson said: "In order to offer low fares long-term, you have to be a low-cost carrier. We are a low-cost carrier and can offer low fares."

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

Hmmh, what a nice way to predict your fellow competitors by saying they won't be around in time. Fact is..Indy IS there, and they ARE a LCC. Simple as that, AirTran is at fault for this, but I don't think FlyI should be sueing them or anything of the sort, fi they are smrat they will release a press release celebrating CLT, like FL did at PHL, when WN had started service.
Alex



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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

"In response, AirTran spokesman Tad Hutcheson implied that Independence will not be around in the future, a concern shared by some industry analysts because its expenses have been higher than its revenues."

As much as I agree with him the ad did say low-fare not low-cost airline and its not saying they are the "only low-fare airline serving Charlotte in the future" its saying right now.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

Maybe FL can insert one word in its CLT ad/slogan for clarification:

The only low-fare Boeing carrier serving Charlotte.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Independence Air is not a Low COST Carrier. They are (defying basic economics) a Low FARE Carrier with HIGH costs.

User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Airtran should just tell the truth: We thought FlyI would be gone by the time this ad campaign came out. We were disagreeably surprised to see them still here when our campaign came out. We expect this problem to fix itself soon enough.


Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7289 times:

If Airtran has lower fares, there could be a smidgen of truth to the claim....


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

Starrion....It would have been funnier if US would have come out and said " We are very sorry, we kind of forgot about them! There not out of business already?"

ASSFO



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

One more thing. On the subject if FlyI's furture. We have running bets at SFO about wether we will actually ever see there planes land May 1st. I voted against it!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7045 times:

Quoting AS739X (reply 8):
We have running bets at SFO about wether we will actually ever see there planes land May 1st. I voted against it!


Well,
If there current predictions for Feb and March hold up, I think you are going to loose that bet. There have been a lot of crazy questions about what is going to happen this year. So far US Airways is still alive, United is still alive, and Indy is still alive. However, Southwest and Airtran seem to be continuing the cannibalization of US Air money routes.



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User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

I think Independence Air has bigger problems to worry about than costly litigation over a couple of banners and a news release.

User currently offlineRAmerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

If IAir was smart, they would fire back with we are the only "Ultra Low Fare" carriers in Charlotte. This isn't even close to the worst thing I've even seen in advertising. iAir-Get over it and fire back.
SR



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User currently offlineMidway2AirTran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 6784 times:

Man, Tad sure does speak his mind on the Indy comments he made. I personally give Indy a little more chance than that.

Eitherway, it was a sales pitch and I also believe Indy shouldn't waste their resources legally on this one, just fight back with thier own marketing/PR campaign.



"Life is short, but your delay in ATL is not."
User currently offlineQwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 6761 times:

People,

This is a smart move by Indy. They are not going to sue anyone. They barely have enough $$$ to pay lawyers to keep them out of Chapter 11, much less $$$ to pay for Jet A.

This is in-the-trenches marketing to get PR. And it worked. Y'all are talking about Indy and Charlotte.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (reply 4):
They are (defying basic economics) a Low FARE Carrier with HIGH costs.


...US Airways and United are evolving toward the same -- in spite of billion$ in labor concessions they have wangled from behind the cover of bankruptcy laws that are nothing short of inherently corrupt, or have been corrupted by the manner in which the provisions of the law have been applied.


User currently offlineQwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6697 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (reply 14):
...US Airways and United are evolving toward the same -- in spite of billion$ in labor concessions they have wangled from behind the cover of bankruptcy laws that are nothing short of inherently corrupt, or have been corrupted by the manner in which the provisions of the law have been applied.



Sure beats assured unemployment. But finding a better job beats even that.

There is no guarantee of employment anywhere in the U.S. code you seem to despise. If you don't like being a ticket agent with a major carrier, QUIT!


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6692 times:
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It worked? At the same time we talk about Indy and Charlotte, we're also talking about Indy's (lack of a) financial status and laughable claim to be a low-cost carrier.

Not sure what worked here.


User currently offlineQwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Point out more than 2 airlines that are financially secure. The public knows the nature of the beast.

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

Very cheap lawsuit & certainly a way to get some media attention Independence Air


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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

This is being reported in the Charlotte Observer.

Since this news story is not negative in relation to Indy, the cheap publicity is really good.

Who needs full page ads when the newspaper tells everyone in Charlotte that:

a) Independence exists
b) Independence is a low fare airline

Indy has nothing to lose by causing a fuss.



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Quoting Qwerty (reply 13):
This is in-the-trenches marketing to get PR. And it worked. Y'all are talking about Indy and Charlotte.


You're absolutely right. They're going to "consider legal action." Meaning they've already considered it and decided against it...



As for if INDY will still be around in a year, I'm not convinced either way what's going to happen to them. If you know anything about the fall of Vanguard, you know that it was the success of the airline that actually killed it. Credit card companies became concerned about protecting themselves against a bankruptcy (as good Finance people do) and so began forcing the collateralization of 125% of its sales. In other words, we went into a negative cash-flow situation as sales increased to the point of profitability! INDY could easily suffer a similar fate...



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6638 times:
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Screw Indy Air. The may charge low fares, but their costs are high. Therefore it is a correct thing to say that AirTran is the only LCC in town. If We had said that we are the only low fare carrier then Indy Air may have something to cry about. Kudos to Tad for speaking his mind regarding his feelings towards Indy Air.


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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

If We had said that we are the only low fare carrier then Indy Air may have something to cry about.

You did. They are 'crying' about it and have every right to.


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Quoting Russophile (reply 22):
If We had said that we are the only low fare carrier then Indy Air may have something to cry about.

You did. They are 'crying' about it and have every right to.


Here, here.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (reply 4):
Independence Air is not a Low COST Carrier. They are (defying basic economics) a Low FARE Carrier with HIGH costs



Exactly. The last time I checked, the 717 has lower operating costs than a CRJ, and even with a handful of A319s, they still have the highest operating costs for a LCC.


Well Independence could say that they are the only LCC to Washington D.C. (That is if you don't consider BWI to be a D.C. area airport.).


25 Elwood64151 : But we're not talking about costs, are we? AirTran chose its words poorly, and even saying they are the only Low Cost Carrier would have been argumen
26 Post contains images Kaputt : "If We had said that we are the only low fare carrier then Indy Air may have something to cry about. You did. They are 'crying' about it and have ever
27 Qxq400 : I say go for it Indy air. You got to get some money to stay alive were you can. US air are you listening, just sue the other airlines for exsisting! G
28 AirTran737 : I meant to type "low cost carrier" not low fare. I was in a bit of a hurry. Apoligies.
29 Post contains images Hawaijahaz : Well the top guys at AirTran and FLYi could have an arm wrestling match. If AirTran wins, they get to keep their ad. If FLYi wins, AirTran has to take
30 LegendDC9 : And I am sure this is getting a huge buzz outside this post and the 30 people who have responded (including me, I'll give you that). I have already s
31 717-200 : I guess FlyI must subscribe to PT Barnum's ol' saying "Any publicity is good publicity"
32 Avek00 : Who cares what Indy Air thinks about the advertising- they will be long dead before the case could be subjected to a summary judgment motion, let alon
33 Post contains images NWADC9 : And here's a favorite saying in schools nationwide that fits perfectly here: "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!" Sorry, couldn't resist
34 Sprout5199 : This sounds like "gee what is written on my coffe top? its HOT?" how dare you sell me hot coffee I guess the now if the first word out of your childs
35 Post contains images Boeing73G : This is completely insane! Independence Air should be worrying about their finances, employees, and planes rather then some false advertising! I do h
36 FLAIRPORT : I have 1 thing to say about this.... We're talking about it! They are doing this to get into the news. A WN or FL (in reverse situation, that is), whi
37 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Hmm. As frivolous as it seems, I don't think the higher ups of Indy would have filed suit against AirTran unless they had something substantial on wh
38 Airgeek12 : Yikes.. Get 'em i!! lol.
39 Darrell : Personally, I hope FlyI does very well in the future. I have a roundtrip ticket with them on Mar 9th CHS-LAS, and I recently bought 500 shares of stoc
40 Lrgt : No way...with a 0% chance of winning, they are only throwing $$ out the window. What is their cause of action in this suit? There is none! I own 3,00
41 StowAway : I guess honesty isn't the best policy for AirTran? Well, I won't be flying them anytime soon. An incident like this sounds like something United woul
42 Flyibaby : I don't know if I would agree that this was done to create buzz for DH or not. I will say however, that no matter who the airline is, there does need
43 OttoPylit : I agree. I would certainly give Tad(what kind of name is that?) a good talking to, as you don't go swinging your d*ck around the room unless you be a
44 StowAway : That's priceless ....also good advice.
45 Swadispatcher : Herb already did that stunt years ago.. "Malice In Dallas"
46 Post contains links AirTran737 : I have seen Tad Hutcheson and he's not a big guy. Hell, I could take him in an arm wrestling match. Actually Tad is about 6'3" and 275 lbs. I don't k
47 Midway2AirTran : Ottopylit, Now where did you see him? I'm 6-2 and he still towered above me in height. I would recommend 10 years of heavy ATL ramp work to train bef
48 Post contains images Kaputt : HA! Well theres always a chance OttoPylit could be a 6'6" or taller.
49 OttoPylit : Kaputt hit the nail right on the head. Airtran and Midway have no idea who I am or how big I am. I rest my case and still, I say I could take the guy.
50 Airgeek12 : I agree. If you ask me the whole thing is stupid. People probobly didn't even pay that much attention to the remark. Indepence Air needs to be worryi
51 StowAway : Independence INDEPENDENCE Damn.... Anyways, that Tad guy only further personified a bad impression that was initially presented in the story.
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