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Future NW Focus Cities?  
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Northwest has earned "kudos" from me for "thinking outside the box" with its apparently successful focus city concept implemented so far at MKE and IND.

What is the latest word from NW on their consideration of making PIT another of their focus cities?

Have they announced any other cities they may be considering for their focus city concept?

What city(ies) IYHO would be good candidates for NW to consider as future focus cities if MKE and IND continue to prove successful?

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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

Although NW deserves credit for implementing their supposedly successful focus cities it is by no means a NW invention. In fact, I believe the term "focus city" first came into vogue by the late TWA. Hardly "out of the box" thinking but gutsy nonetheless. As far as new focus cities, I heard of two lately STL and PDX.

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2074 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

My guess is that they will continue to build IND and to a lesser extent MKE. There still are a couple holes on the route map that NW could fill out of IND, and I'd look for them to do that first.

Quoting DL Widget Head (reply 1):
As far as new focus cities, I heard of two lately STL and PDX.


I would be hard pressed to believe that they would open a focus city in St.Louis. Their gate situation is terrible at best, and given AA's apparent recent success in St.Louis, I would have to believe they would defend their turf.

Portland, on the other hand, seems like a fairly sensible candidate already having flights to places like HNL and NRT. Throw in MEM, a couple token Florida tourist destinations and you have yourself a small focus city.

Omaha and Grand Rapids were mentioned in some previous posts as well...


User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

Rumor has it that MSN, DSM, and CMH are in the mix as well, in addition to the cities LambertMan named. Think Heartland (and PDX) or don't think at all.


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User currently offlineLvkewlkid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

I think PDX who'd be a good option.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5275 times:
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Routes that would probably do good:

OMA-LAX
OMA-FLL
DSM-LGA,JFK, or EWR.
DSM-LAX



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting LambertMan (reply 2):
Omaha and Grand Rapids were mentioned in some previous posts as well...


GRR has received non-hub NW service for about a year now with GRR-MCO and GRR-TPA. GRR-DCA starts later this year on NWAirlink Avro. They may do more NWAirlink routes here - BOS possibly (IMHO).

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PDX is a tough one. I think PDX is anxious for a carrier to come and offer a strong schedule. It is pretty far from most NW hubs. NW's current focus city movements (IND, MKE, little-GRR) are all within 600 miles of DTW, MSP, and MEM.

Southwest and Alaska have a strong schedule @ PDX, so I'd lean more on NRT connections on NW and possibly AMS if someone breaks out the crack-pipe.

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NW has added LAX-LAS. This is a tough route with WN and UA offering mind-numbing frequencies between the two. But, consider that NW @ LAX has HNL, NRT, LAS, MKE, and IND. Maybe build a few more destinations from LAX and you have a focus city. Which would be a much needed focus city on the West coast for SkyTeam.

That's my goal. A pioneering concept... A domestic SkyTeam hub @ LAX. You've got KE, KL, NW, DL, CO, AM, AF, all flying to LAX. (AeroFlot as well once there membership is complete). Have CO, DL, and NW bump the flights up there @ LAX and take codesharing to the next level and that would be sweet - IMHO. Only problem with this is WN and DL has cut some recent flights from LAX - MEX in particular, as well as many former Western routes over the years. So, the routes would have to be selected in such a fashion to be strong against the heavy competition @ LAX.

Maybe I'm the one with the crack pipe dreams.....

B4



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

NW has added LAX-LAS. This is a tough route with WN and UA offering mind-numbing frequencies between the two. But, consider that NW @ LAX has HNL, NRT, LAS, MKE, and IND. Maybe build a few more destinations from LAX and you have a focus city. Which would be a much needed focus city on the West coast for SkyTeam.

I believe LAX-LAS was started because of cruise ship traffic. I doubt you'd see it without those contracts. Still, LAX is a pretty diverse operation at this point.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Quoting Trvlr (reply 7):
I believe LAX-LAS was started because of cruise ship traffic. I doubt you'd see it without those contracts.


Trvlr:

Explain the cruise contracts please. Why I ask is b/c the flight times are peculiar. It's not a day trip as part of the cruise stop. Is it a add-on to the cruise? Thanks a bunch.

B4



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5105 times:
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Quoting Trvlr (reply 7):
believe LAX-LAS was started because of cruise ship traffic. I doubt you'd see it without those contracts. Still, LAX is a pretty diverse operation at this point.


Actually, it was added because it provided good connection times for the NRT-LAX traffic, not criuse ships. Started off as a DC9, then went to a 319, and now is a 320.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3197 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

NW would do well in Portland, add an Amsterdam flight and a few domestic routes, there would be a good market to Asia and using the code share on AS/QX they would feed a lot of traffic and avoid the foggy season at SEA-TAC. PDX has very few problems due to weather, it happens, but not like SEA
The runways can sure handle the aircraft, even with full loads, and the terminal can handle the traffic, there is some good space on D still. NW should take up where DL failed, and then they could live up to their name sake, and truly be a Northwest airline. They just added NRT and HNL not too long ago,
and also OGG and KOA via SEA on QX codeshare.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Yes the LAX-LAS are for connections from NRT, however, you can buy a ticket from LAX-LAS-LAX on NW, except for the fact, that most of the time the plane is sold out from connecting traffic.


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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

Trvlr,

Actually the LAS-LAX is for NRT connections not cruise ships. The LAS-LAX is usally packed in.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

LAS-LAX on NW does not seem to 'marry' with LAX-NRT on routing.

Returning, it works out just great going NRT-LAX-LAS.

If they can sell the O&D LAX-LAS - rock on NW.



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User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

How is Northwest fueling this expansion? I don't believe they're taking narrowbody deliveries. Are they utilizing their fleet for more segments each day?

We're seeing airlines like CO and US attempting to boost profitability by growing their international destinations. Northwest seems to be growing more on domestic routes. How do you think this will pan out as they grow into more markets with high-levels of low-cost competition?

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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting B4real (reply 6):
...Alaska have a strong schedule @ PDX


Since Northwest has a well-established codeshare relationship with Alaska Airlines and Horizon, PDX would perhaps be all the more attractive to NW as a possible focus city. With the transcon range of the "right size" A319 equipment that NW favors on many of their mainline-operated flights to/from focus cities, any destination in the continental U.S. could be served non-stop from PDX.


User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

How about an MKE-AMS?  Smile

I can dream, can't I? Big grin


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting Longhaulheavy (reply 16):
How about an MKE-AMS?

I can dream, can't I?


Yes, you're simply sharing the crack pipe with me  Smile

Quoting Tango-Bravo (reply 15):
Since Northwest has a well-established codeshare relationship with Alaska Airlines and Horizon


Tango, you are on to something. Alaska is also making inroads with DL in codesharing relationships. So maybe PDX would be a good focus city. My only concern, however, is that AS (and HA) have, historically, been a little on the neutral side of things. Meaning, they'll go for codeshares and partnerships with all airlines - simply because their routes in Alaska are unchallenged.

I wonder if taking that stronger step closer would not be in the best interest of AS to do such. Maybe the step too far would be a SkyTeam membership (but maybe not the SkyTeam associate membership - which we have yet to have a member of that status....).



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Some more info on PDX, NW may be planting the 'focus city' seed in PDX, as there is a HNL-PDX flight operated with a 757-300 a/c. I didn't notice this flight. They've already got MSP and DTW. MEM would be the next logical choice. Build it up a bit with AS, DL, CO, and HA, and you have a co-operative focus city. Good positioning no the West Coast as NW/CO/DL need help out West.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

NW has steadily taken delivery of CRJ's, which have allowed for much of this focus city expansion. The narrowbody flights have come from increased fleet utilization.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (reply 19):
NW has steadily taken delivery of CRJ's


Sure, the DC-9s are starting to go away as well. I think a lot of small markets are going to be upset that they will be losing two class NW service...



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting NWA Man (reply 3):
Rumor has it that MSN, DSM, and CMH are in the mix as well


N-Dub, I was thinking about CMH, and I agree with you there. CMH is a good market to try to start something, but DL seemed to offer some point to point flights. I believe it is initially successful, as DLConnection now offers CMH-BDL as a new flight after the schedule overhaul.

If DL ever stopped their focus city action @ CMH, I think NW could jump all over that...



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Although maybe not a traditional focus city, NW has a very diverse operation at HNL: Nonstop to ANC, SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, and MSP. Also, do they fly HNL-NRT?


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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Chugach,

NWA was the 1st carrier ever to fly HNL-NRT, sadly we are down to just two flights a day from 4.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
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We also fly HNL-KIX daily


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25 NWAFA : Jetjack, Again, sadly HNL-Kix is down to one daily flight from three! No more HNL-NGO, HNL-FUK or HNL-SPN. Miss those trips!
26 Meteorologist : I'm not so sure about the NW expansion of MSN into a focus city. Given Allegiant's recent inroads there with the n/s to LAS, my thoughts are that the
27 B4real : I agree, DCA has become a focus city by the new direct routes. You could also make the case for LAX, BOS, and other cities that get the routes from I
28 Jetjack74 : No more HNL-NGO, HNL-FUK or HNL-SPN. Miss those trips! Well, they weren't profitable, and better served by the codeshare with JAS. I miss the SYD trip
29 Burnsie28 : Some have seem to forgot that NW was leasing/is leasing a lot of their slots to US, they did so shortly after the dismantaling of the DCA hub which th
30 Jetjack74 : Well, we used to run a mini-hub out of DCA and have almost hourly service to BOS and LGA if I remember right, until we started leasing our slots away
31 NWAFA : Jetjack, It was hourly I do belive..did you ever work the "Silver Service" BOS-DCA flights? Those were so quick and so much service! (The Good 'ol day
32 Jetjack74 : I did once or twice. They went somewhat senior. The FA's that did them frequently liked them because of the clientele were regulars. I do miss those d
33 NWAskyteam : CMH seems like a logical choice for next focus city now with seasonal non-stops on Saturdays to MCO. PDX does not fit into the heartland concept and i
34 N801NW : NW will not pull four 9's out of the desert (as planned) this spring and two in-service 9's will return to the desert so their ASM's will grow only ab
35 MAH4546 : Delta has a focus city operation in Columbus, and American Airlines/American Eagle has a sizeable operation. There isn't room, nor need, for another
36 NWA Man : On the other hand, NW has a reasonably sized operation in CMH, a rather large base of frequent flyers in Ohio's capital, and a fairly large, affluent
37 Lrgt : ...and how is that not a focus city??? !!!
38 Jetjack74 : And a seasonal DTW
39 MAH4546 : That does not make HNL a focus city. It just recieves a lot of point-to-point service. Simple as that. DTW-HNL only operates two weeks a year now, du
40 7E72004 : I think that if they do open another focus city that they should open one in the west, the east already has the hubs of DTW and MEM with the focus cit
41 Flashmeister : Think in terms of SkyTeam + AS and PDX looks fairly decent... all of the AS/QX ops, plus nonstops to MSP, DTW, EWR, IAH, ATL, SLC, NRT, HNL. CO is add
42 LambertMan : I think we are all overlooking one candidate, MCI. Sure WN is a pest and YX has a decent sized presence, but neither is predatory (i.e. NW DEN-LAX) wh
43 Post contains images 7E72004 : Isn't MCI a "dump?" I am only going off of what others have told me about that airport.
44 Jetjack74 : I never thought MCI was a smart design especially for hub operations. Most of the gates had their own security checkpoint. They've since modified them
45 Wobbles : I work in SLC and just recently transfered here from PDX. NW would be very smart to add MEM non stops from both cities, particulary SLC since you coul
46 7E72004 : How big was Delta's operation out of PDX before?
47 Azjubilee : Wobbles - they'll only go if they can find the route profitable. Otherwise you'd find every airline flying every route and bleeding profusely. Oh wait
48 CALMSP : IOWAMAN Sorry to say but DSM-EWR or LGA/JFK will most likely not work. We cut it after serving it briefly. We even had our CEO meet with business' up
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