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A318 Is A Widebody?  
User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

Hey I was just looking around, and I was wondering how you can possible call the a318 a widebody aircraft... I always considered a widebody to have two aisles..

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User currently offline1millionflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

I don't know where you saw that description but it is wrong.

you are right 2 aisles makes a widebody  Smile


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

Quoting Jfkaua (reply 0):
Hey I was just looking around, and I was wondering how you can possible call the a318 a widebody aircraft... I always considered a widebody to have two aisles..


Who claimed that? The A318 is a single aisle which is synonomous with narrowbody, not a widebody. A32S aircraft are slightly wider than Boeing narrowbodies, but a few inches does not qualify something as a widebody



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7724 times:
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An A318 is a wide body  Laugh out loud Who ever said that is it certainly knows nothing

User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

yea thats what I would normally think... but its in big letters on airbus's website... http://www.airbus.com/product/a318_introduction.asp
seee...










[Edited 2005-02-28 01:27:11]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Quoting Jfkaua (reply 4):
yea thats what I would normally think... but its in big letters on airbus's website...



That is purely marketing hyperbole. The A318 is a narrowbody.



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

hmm figured... I knew that it was single aisle but I thought that there might of been some classification of wide body I was missing..

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7595 times:
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Quoting Jfkaua (reply 4):
yea thats what I would normally think... but its in big letters on airbus's website... http://www.airbus.com/product/a318_introduction.asp
seee...

Airbus said that.....WOW, looks like Airbus don't even know their own planes  Sad


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Airbus can call their A318 a widebody because IMHO there is no scientific definition to that term. Try looking it up in an encyclopedia.


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4741 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7512 times:
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well, cosidering how short it is, it looks relatively wide!! Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8226 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7449 times:

It's just marketing... they're not saying it actually is a widebody. They're just saying it's big for a 100 seater.


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User currently offlineBoeing73G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7444 times:


Realistically, it's just another way of promoting the roominess of the cabin compared to their competitors!

Widebody is twin aisle, but you can have a "wide look" interior.

100-seat widebody: Hmmm.... Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

In terms of an ERJ or CRJ, it's a widebody..  Big grin


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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

Why don't you guys read the context in which this statement is made? The description goes on to say it is the widest cabin in its class, the class being single aisle 3x3 seating. It's more a play on words than a marketing hype, because everyone in this market knows it is not a "widebody" in the sense of a twin-aisle.

The Challenger was also dubbed a "widebody" in the context of bizjets of the day.

Pete


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4316 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7288 times:

I recently read in a news article that Boeing has patented a design for a true widebody (e.g., twin aisle) for a 737 sized aircraft.

Not sure if that has been discussed on here previously or not (if it has, just ignore this and let the discussion string on this topic die) but I'd be curious to know how they patented it. I mean, is a really wide but really short fuselage patentable (assuming it is still efficient aerodynamically) or do they have something else up their sleeves?



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User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7166 times:

I had always thought of a wide-body as twin aisle. But, after reading this thread, got me thinking exactly when does a cabin become a widebody? If a 747 has a 5x5 seating with one aisle down the middle, is it still a widebody? If an A320 has 1x1x1 seating with two aisles, is it a widebody?

I would have thought by now, there would have been a definition of "widebody" by Boeing, Airbus, Lockheed, Douglas, whoever. Just my thoughts.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7052 times:
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Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (reply 12):
In terms of an ERJ or CRJ, it's a widebody..

Well obviously. ERJ/CRJ means skinny torture body


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting Jc2354 (reply 15):
I had always thought of a wide-body as twin aisle. But, after reading this thread, got me thinking exactly when does a cabin become a widebody? If a 747 has a 5x5 seating with one aisle down the middle, is it still a widebody? If an A320 has 1x1x1 seating with two aisles, is it a widebody?


And what does that make the 74F, if it has no aisles?  Confused

Harry



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

Easy, Harry: it's a nobody.

User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

Solnabo, how did your posting contribute to this thread in a positive way?

I guess I am not the only one who missed the point. Could it be, it has something to do with your signature?



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

This airbus add is what you call Wrong publicity. It is punishable by the law atz least in France as far as i know


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User currently offlineHotje From Netherlands, joined Jul 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

The Cabin is a tad wider than its main competitor, the 737.

User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Quoting 1millionflyer (reply 1):
you are right 2 aisles makes a widebody


You think that. I think that. A lot of people think that. However, some people don't think that. Airbus, for example, said that a "true widebody" could hold the same cargo containers side-by-side as a B747. Because the A300 could do this and the B767 couldn't, the latter airplane was sometimes referred to as a "semi-widebody" despite having two aisles.

The term "widebody" really is just marketing glib. Inversely, that's why you have the manufacturers preferring to refer to their "narrowbody" types as "single-aisle" rather than give the impression of cramped conditions.

Quoting RedFlyer (reply 14):
I recently read in a news article that Boeing has patented a design for a true widebody (e.g., twin aisle) for a 737 sized aircraft.


You can have a look for yourself:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html

When you get there do a search for "twin aisle small airplane". Enjoy.  Smile

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6585 times:
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Thats an interesting concept for the wide body 737 style aircraft

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

Quoting RootsAir (reply 21):
This airbus add is what you call Wrong publicity.


Obviously.  Yeah sure

It's nothing but a play on words, just get over it. Airbus probably assumed nobody would think a 3-3 100-seater is a widebody so they made a catchy slogan out of it. Seems to have worked brilliantly.  Big grin

My definition of "widebody" is "pax aircraft that needs two aisles for proper boarding and evacuation or a cargo version of that or a similar-sized cargo aircraft". Semi-widebody or whatever the Airbus PR department called the 767, to me it is a widebody. As is the C-17.



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25 AirIndia : May be they are refering to the FAs....
26 Flyibaby : although it is a narrowbody...airbus made the entire A3.. series wide enough you can order the option to equip the cargo bins with canisters.
27 Sebolino : No, you're talking about lying advertisment. Saying it's a widebody is not a lie, it's a marketing effect. And it's not an advertisment anyway, that'
28 BrightCedars : Are you sure you're not mixing up with its nickname: the wide-baby?
29 ODwyerPW : This has been discussed before. It's the fact that it is just over 12' wide that gives Airbus 'creative license' to market it as a wide body. Misleadi
30 Post contains links and images Aer Lingus : Ooh yes airbus doesn't know which of their aircrafts are widebody or a narrow body! This is a sentence from http://www.airbus.com/product/a318_introdu
31 ZRH : Hey folks, a little bit of humor. This is only an Airbus advertisement. They did not mean a real widebody, they only wanted to say that the 318 has pl
32 LeanOfPeak : Jc2354: 5-5 is not a legal seating configuration. No seat can be farther than two seats from the nearest aisle.
33 777DadandJr : Maybe the definition of wide body is kind of like tires. The ratio of length to width? Just a guess. Russ
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