EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7254 posts, RR: 45 Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3879 times:
Hey there Rick!!! Greetings to you too!
I was sort of hoping that maybe some LCC would have a daily flight to GFK or something. I may want to visit an acquaintance in the Grand Forks area later this year and all I could find was CO/NW service from MEX via IAH and MSP, at a kind of expensive fare... perhaps it will make sense to use SkyMiles to get there.
I guess I won't find anything cheaper since NW monopolizes service to GFK.
Thanks Rick and AZJubilee; much appreciated. MSYTristar, thanks to you too; I thought maybe UA Express would have something as well but not anymore.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
Yep, NW/NW Airlink (Mesaba) is the only scheduled carrier that flies to Grand Forks. If I can recall correctly (I don't fly NW from GFK anymore), it's a D95, 2x D9S, 2x AR8, 2x SF3 (with one flight continuing on to Devils Lake, ND.). I believe NW recieves some kind of subsidy for service, but it's not substantial. GFK still gets absolutely raped in terms of fares, as does FAR which has service from both NW and UA Express.
B4real, there are several cities in Minnesota and the Dakotas that are only served by NW/Airlink.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6251 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3672 times:
Fly into MSP and take Amtrak. That train is usually nearly on-time. It leaves MSP around 10pm each night. On the return, it gets back to MSP by 7am or so. Perfect time to flight connections, and the rail fare is usually pretty cheap on the route. Check it out at www.amtrak.com.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4114 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3624 times:
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Quoting B4real (reply 3): MLB - Melbourne Florida only has DL (though it is relatively close to MCO..)
CMX - Hancock, MI; SSM - Sault St. Marie, MI; APN - Alpena, MI; has only NW Airlink I believe...
MCW, FOD, ALO, SUX all only have NW Airlink.
DBQ only has American Eagle
BRL, IRK, JEF, Fort Leonard Wood, MO., Marion, IL, Cape Girardeau, MO., and Quincy, IL. only has AA Connection (Corporate Express)
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3607 times:
Quoting NWA Man (reply 12): GFK is not an EAS city. I'd imagine that it would be if NW for some ungodly reason decided to drop it, but as of now, NW and its subsidiaries receive no subsidy for operating into Grand Forks.
Thanks, N-Dub. I was curious, I think it a borderline destination in this regard.
NWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3572 times:
Quoting B4real (reply 13): Thanks, N-Dub. I was curious, I think it a borderline destination in this regard.
True. Without NW, it'd probably be EAS because it's a relatively large city and home to a major state university.
But as is, it's a cash cow for Northwest, and has no need for federal subsidies. Since they're the only game in town, NW can charge a premium, and the citizens of northwestern Minnesota and eastern North Dakota have shown that they're willing to pay this premium, as shown by the DC-9-50s (and other aircraft) that NW operates into the city.
Raybolt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 255 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3542 times:
Damn NW, its more expensive to fly GFK-MSP than NYC-LON.
GFK also used to see the old Frontier (DEN) in addition to Air Wisconsin (ORD?). FAR is generally better to fly out of, competition w/ UA, but even that has become worse over the past year. I do what I can to avoid NW, but unfortunately don't really have too much of a choice being 'stuck' up here. I heard that they are trying to expand the airport, but doubt it will happen in the near future. There was a study that showed that a new terminal would be about $20-26 mil (and half could be funded by the gov't), but the city decided that it was too expensive for this village of a place. Oh well, stuck w/ NW for the time being...at least I can earn my CO miles.
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3053 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3526 times:
Well im here in college at UND... and ive attempted to go home to ORD a couple times now, i find UA has somewhat reasonable fares from FAR... NW sometimes does last-minute promotions out of FAR as well to fill their seats, like i got a ticket 12-hours advance FAR-MSP-ORD-MSP-FAR for $184... not too bad. UA ive gotten for abotu $200-$250 with the regular advance purchase... I also notice that TVF (Thief River Falls, Minnesota) is usually cheaper than GFK... i havent flown out of there yet, opted to take the Amtrak instead... but TVF is about as far of a drive as FAR, and fares are about the same as FAR, so far theyve always been cheaper than GFK... i think theres 2 or 3 Saab 340's that fly in there a day from MSP, all of which stop in Bemidji BJI. If youre up for some Saab-hopping, you could try that.
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MEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1082 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3492 times:
Fares from Winnipeg to the U.S. are generally pretty expensive because the amount they add on for taxes is ludicrous. Sometimes you can get really/really good deals though, but rarely. Examples: Winnipeg-Los Angeles round-trip for $109CAD each way (AC/NW/WS), to total like $330CAD taxes in. The Winnipeg-Las Vegas charter flights usually go for around the same (Skyservice 320s during the winter). Domestic fares within Canada are well-priced from Winnipeg.
Winnipeg-Mexico City the cheapest you'd probably find would be in the $500s CAD dollars, probably making $600s when taxes are in. Good luck.
Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
Quoting B4real (reply 3): CMX - Hancock, MI; SSM - Sault St. Marie, MI; APN - Alpena, MI; has only NW Airlink I believe...
Not that it has much to do with the original post, but my personal favorite airport PLN - Pellston/Emmet County, MI only has NW Airlink/Jet Airlink and it is an EAS city... Though the last few times I've been through the flights have all been (nearly) full. Even in the off-season.
Quoting Raybolt (reply 15): Damn NW, its more expensive to fly GFK-MSP than NYC-LON.
Yup. You should try LAX-PLN (via LAX-DTW-PLN-DTW-LAX or LAX-MSP-DTW-PLN-DTW-MSP-LAX)... I think last time I looked it was something like 33% more to do either of those than LAX-LON on the same dates, even on NW. That was actually a relatively small difference. And my grandparents wonder why I don't visit them more often since they've moved to Michigan full time.
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JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3337 times:
AviatorTJ, it really all depends on where I'm going and how long I'm staying in that place. For my hometown, Dallas, fares are ridiculous in the first place so I usually would pay $350-$450 for a r/t from GFK.
However, if I'm coming up at the beginning of the semester and the next time when I know I'll be going home is over Thanksgiving, I will have stayed too long in GFK to qualify for a discounted ticket (on UA from FAR or NW). Air Canada does not have a maximum stay policy on any of their tickets, so instead of paying $600 to fly UA to FAR or NW to GFK, I can fly AC for $350 to YWG. I'll also fly into YWG if I need to fly on a one-way ticket because AC has really cheap one-way fares. Otherwise, if I'm just going somewhere for a few days or a week, I'll fly UA to FAR. I don't fly on NW/CO anymore since they don't give EQS for discounted tickets.
I took Amtrak once to MSP and I learned my lesson.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6910 posts, RR: 29 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3316 times:
A lot of the cities you people are discussing are not EAS airports.
PLN is not an EAS city. Yes, NW Airlink is the only carrier that serves the airport, and they significantly increase capacity in the summer months, even flew and ARJ in this past summer.
There is a difference between EAS and other subsidies/grants out there. Many airports/communities offer incentives to get new air service. These can be locally funded or supported by the business community. There are also SCASD grants that are available every year. Airports file cases to get grant money through the Small Community Air Service Development grant program. Airports such as GNV, LBE, AVP, MQT, ERI, etc, etc. all have won grants in recent years to offer subsidies to new or existing carriers to increase service or make necessary airport improvements to allow for new air service. These communities are not EAS, but generally fall under the small regional market category.
This report http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/rural/us06-03.pdf provides a good breakdown of EAS cities and what airline provides service. Its from 2003, but it is the most recent report I can find. For the most part, very little is different. I do that AOO (Altoona, PA) is attempting to switch its EAS service from PIT to IAD due to the pull-down of the USAirways hub and limited connection opportunities.
Seattle ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3292 times:
United Airlines Offers Nonstop Service to Two Great Western Destinations
Monday February 14, 1:32 pm ET
United Express to offer the only air service between Denver and Great Falls, Mt.; San Francisco and Albuquerque
CHICAGO, Feb. 14 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines will offer daily nonstop service between Great Falls, Mont., and Denver and between Albuquerque, N.M., and San Francisco -- providing the only nonstop air service between these Great Western cities. Earn 1,000 bonus miles,* when traveling between May 4, 2005, through June 30, 2005, plus an additional 1,000 bonus miles when booking online at united.com.** United Express will offer two round-trip flights per day to each destination.
"We are pleased to be adding service to these two cities," said Greg Taylor, United's Senior Vice President-Planning. "Great Falls is new to the United Express network and we are excited about enhancing air service in this community."
Service to both destinations begins May 4, and tickets are now available. United Express carrier SkyWest Airlines will operate both the Denver-Great Falls and San Francisco-Albuquerque service with two daily flights on 50-seat regional jets.
"More and more Montana communities are economically expanding, and new opportunities can always arise through increased access," said Sen. Conrad Burns (Mont.), the newly named Chairman of the Senate Aviation Subcommittee. This new service to Great Falls is certainly a great opportunity for the community, and I am excited about United's ever-growing presence in our state."
"This route should bring new economic opportunities and ultimately jobs to the Electric City and surrounding area," said Sen. Max Baucus (Mont.). "And it will provide more options for Montanans who are traveling for work or to visit family and friends."
Sen. Pete Domenici (N.M.) said, "I am very pleased to learn about United's new service between Albuquerque and its hub in San Francisco -- the first nonstop service on that route. This jet service will mean even more options for travelers using Albuquerque Sunport. These options and the increased activity at Sunport are all good indicators of a growing city."
Denver-Great Falls is currently priced at $119 for each way based on round-trip purchases before March 19.*** Book flights at http://united.com/greatfallsintro . United also guarantees you will find the lowest fares on united.com.
The addition of both routes increases each city's access to United's expansive route network. For example, Albuquerque will have improved access to all of United's Pacific destinations, including Asia, Australia and Hawaii.
The United schedule for the new daily nonstop service is as follows:
Service between Denver and Great Falls
Origin Destination Departure Arrival Service
Denver Great Falls 11:35 a.m. 1:26 p.m. United Express
Denver Great Falls 8:10 p.m. 10:01 p.m. United Express
Great Falls Denver 7:30 a.m. 9:16 a.m. United Express
Great Falls Denver 3:30 p.m. 5:16 p.m. United Express
Service between San Francisco and Albuquerque
Origin Destination Departure Arrival Service
San Francisco Albuquerque 11:25 a.m. 2:53 p.m. United Express
San Francisco Albuquerque 6:30 p.m. 9:58 p.m. United Express
Albuquerque San Francisco 8:20 a.m. 9:42 a.m. United Express
Albuquerque San Francisco 3:30 p.m. 4:52 p.m. United Express
(Flight times are subject to change.)
25 Goldenshield: This'll be an easy transition for GTF, since SkyWest flies there already.
26 Burnsie28: Um Seattle Ops, WTF DOES that have to do with the NW and Grand Forks, ND Raybolt- why do you do what you can to avoid flying NW?
27 NWA Man: I don't fly on NW/CO anymore since they don't give EQS for discounted tickets. Don't know about OnePass, but with the new year, WorldPerks now gives E
28 JCS17: Yeah, that's the problem NWA Man, all my miles are on OnePass. You cannot earn EQS on discounted NW tickets on OnePass. I could switch to World Perks,
29 Azjubilee: It is utterly amazing how a simple yes or no question can take on a life of its own!!! AZJ
30 Raybolt: Burnsie- In my experiences, NW just doesn't provide as good an experience as CO (my airline of choice being from Jersey) or UA. I have flown NW a lot
31 Pilottim747: So the moral of the story is dont visit GFK. Have your friend from Grand Forks escape from the state and visit you in Mexico. It's depressing up here,
32 Ejmmsu: I believe there are also some cities that only have NW service via MEM. Greenville-Cleveland, MS (GLH), Tupelo, MS (TUP), Muscle Shoals-Florence, AL (
33 EddieDude: Thanks for all the input guys. I would of course never consider visiting Grand Forks during the cold months. I lived in Chicago one year (including on
34 Kjet12: EddieDude: You could always ship yourself on FedEx and save. Chances are the service will be better than NW's. Kris
35 Lincoln: I appologize for my error, then. Perhaps it would have been better stated as last time I paid any real attention PLN was an EAS city. I did not verif
36 JCS17: JCS17, you should take a look at the Aviation Photographers & Enthusiasts (APE). We're a bunch of UND students that meet on a.net and like to take tri