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Interesting News About The A380 First Flight  
User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23998 times:

Besides the pilot and co-pilot there will be 4 engineers on board. All will be wearing helmets and parachutes. One of the lower cargo doors will be armed with explosives so that they can eject it. This opening can be used to jump out of the plane if they encounter a live threatening problem.

The A380 MSN001 with registration F-WWOW will be caring 20 tones of test equipment. They can meassure 15000 different parameters. These will be send online to the ground for instant and later analysis. The 4 engineers will also monitor data and try to smell, hear or see any abnormalities. That is why they will each be placed at different locations within the plane. So they will work as human measurement equipment.  Smile

Short before the take of the entire Toulouse Airport will be closed. Only a Corvette private Jet owned by Airbus will be allowed to start. This Jet will check if the A380 is loosing fluids or if something breaks of. The Airbus photographers will also be onboard in order to capture the first in flight pictures of the A380. They will start in northerly direction in order to avoid the city of Toulouse. They will fist fly the aircraft with the gears lowered for one hour around the airport in companion of the Corvette so that they can return quickly if they encounter any problems.

If everything is OK they will say goodbye to the Jet and climb to higher altitudes and fly to a French Military restricted airspace around Brest.

The first flight will be flown by "direct law". This means that the pilots will fly the A380 directly with no computer corrections or flight envelope protection. Only acoustic signals will warn of stall or max speed.

I saw an interview with Formula 1 World Champion and Pilot Nicky Lauda after he had just flown the A380 simulator.

He said "It handles beautifully".  Big thumbs up

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User currently offline22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23471 times:

Any idea as to the expected date(s) of the maiden flight?

Thx.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23401 times:

Quoting Osteogenesis (reply 0):
One of the lower cargo doors will be armed with explosives so that they can eject it. This opening can be used to jump out of the plane if they encounter a live threatening problem.


So the people have to run down to the cargo hold if they want to get out? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Harry



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User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23383 times:

I imagine that it is going to be impressive watching that bird lift off the ground the first time! I cannot wait!  Smile

User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23339 times:

Quoting 22right (reply 1):
Any idea as to the expected date(s) of the maiden flight?


Probably someday in April. Airbus wont give any dates. They say that weather and airplane have to be in perfect conditions.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23309 times:

Quoting Newark777 (reply 2):
So the people have to run down to the cargo hold if they want to get out? Doesn't make much sense to me.


There might be people in the cargohold running tests or something...otherwise I agree, that doesn't make sense.


User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23287 times:

Quoting Newark777 (reply 2):
So the people have to run down to the cargo hold if they want to get out? Doesn't make much sense to me.


It will give them an option if they encounter a bigger problem. Of course it is no ejection seat. Big grin


User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23172 times:

Is there any more info out there about the possibility of some problems with the plane? A week or so ago, Der Spiegel had a story quoting unnamed sources from Airbus that the A380 had some structural issues and the first flight might be delayed for a while. Allegedly something is wrong structurally in the tail section and with the landing gear, as a result of all the weight cutting. Seeing how it was just one news outlet reporting this, it doesn't seem too credible. Airbus did respond to it, denying the rumors of course. Does anyone know when the first flight will be? Isn't it supposed to be in March? Why is Airbus so quiet about this?


Hoya Saxa!!
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23155 times:

Will there be anyone else on the flight besides the pilots and engineers? If there are, I'm sure they would love to see the engineers start to jump out of the cargo hold.  Laugh out loud

Harry



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13444 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 22950 times:
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Quoting Osteogenesis (reply 0):
The 4 engineers will also monitor data and try to smell, hear or see any abnormalities.

As absurd as this might sound, this is exactly what happens. I know with the engine, an experience engineer can tell by smell if the engine is running as it was during ground testing.


Quoting Osteogenesis (reply 0):
Only a Corvette private Jet owned by Airbus will be allowed to start.

Only one chase plane? Its pretty common on *early* test flights to have a close in chase plane (often a two seat fighter-a plane everyone *knows* can get out of the way quickly) and another chase plane at a distance (usually rigged with quite a few cameras with telephoto lenses).

Has airbus equipped the A380 airframe with extra cameras for the test flight?


Quoting FriendlySkies (reply 5):
There might be people in the cargohold running tests or something

The engineers will be down in the cargo hold looking, touching, hearing, and smelling for *any* issue. Note: not *just* the cargo hold, but every corner of the aircraft. For instance, if an accelerameter is going nuts, they'll verify it is or that its just a malfunction. You'd better believe they'll have handheld O2 meters.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 22737 times:

Quoting Newark777 (reply 2):
So the people have to run down to the cargo hold if they want to get out? Doesn't make much sense to me.


You sound as if you expect them to always run down to the cargo hold... Smile Chances are they will have enough time, if (knock on wood) it happens. Just a safe precaution done an all aircraft before it, don't worry about it.

Quoting Hoya (reply 7):
Seeing how it was just one news outlet reporting this, it doesn't seem too credible. Airbus did respond to it, denying the rumors of course. Does anyone know when the first flight will be? Isn't it supposed to be in March? Why is Airbus so quiet about this?


First, is it at all posssible that the newmedia outlet in this case might have exagerrated the issue because afterall it is THE A380? Secondly, is it at all possible that Airbus fixed or dealt with the problem and it is not one anymore? Third, plans change. Why tell people every darn detail, we here may want to know, but we here are also a minority so small it is probably not worth the cost of cummunicating the info to us. Big grin



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22643 times:

The timing of this will be interesting, as Airbus may have it occur to coincide with the 7am east coast U.S. start of the morning news programs...The Today Show, Good Morning America, et al. Of course, not that this country (United States) should dictate the timing. But I'm sure the Airbus folks would love nothing more than to have this be a premiere news event...and the best way to do that is to have the flight departure broadcast live on these shows. Which probably means an afternoon flight in France.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22244 times:

Quoting Newark777 (reply 2):
One of the lower cargo doors will be armed with explosives so that they can eject it. This opening can be used to jump out of the plane if they encounter a live threatening problem.



Quoting Newark777 (reply 2):
So the people have to run down to the cargo hold if they want to get out? Doesn't make much sense to me.


Newark777:

Do you have any better idea ?  Confused



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User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21757 times:

Lol Bongo. Maybe they should place should place explosive charges horizontally around the fuselage and the top will blow off, then wherever they are they just jump out  Smile

User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21473 times:

Quoting Osteogenesis (reply 4):
Probably someday in April. Airbus wont give any dates. They say that weather and airplane have to be in perfect conditions.



June/July at the earliest.



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User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20127 times:

Quoting Glideslope (reply 14):
June/July at the earliest.


Do you have information or is it just an assumption?


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20058 times:

Boy it sure sounds like Airbus is not that confident in the plane, with explosives and parachutes and everything else.


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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20004 times:

You've got to be kidding. It's obvious that they won't fly it until they're completely confident that it's ready.

Taking all possible saftey precautions doe not imply a lack of confidence!



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19972 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (reply 16):
Boy it sure sounds like Airbus is not that confident in the plane, with explosives and parachutes and everything else.


Umm its an unproven aircraft. Even Boeing would be taking these measures. Airbus would have alot more confidence in the aircraft but these measures are for those situations which may arise unexpectedly and can arise with any new aircraft. The 787 will probably be the same during its first flight. Its a simple precaution.


User currently offlineChicoco From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19906 times:

I am sure that Airbus will preform the A380 the maiden flight when they (Airbus) are quite satisfied that all is as they want it to be (weather,aircraft,etc), and not one minute before.

User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19884 times:

I don't want to sound too stupid, but is this normal on a first flight? Since none of the historic pictures show parachutes and helmets, if they used them they must have changed on the plane (so no one would see?) Sorry, I'm having trouble imagining a scenario where a parachute would make a difference, from failing to leave the ground to falling like a rock from altitude for some reason. Wish someone who has handled a first flight would write in.

User currently offlineKevindca From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 105 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19884 times:

I can't wait to see this bird in flight! As Bill142 said, all the precautions they're taking seem perfectly normal and prudent to me, not a sign of any problem. I have always been a Boeing fan, but my primary love is aviation and airplanes, and this is one awesome plane, and I can't wait for the day I can see it rotate in person!  Smile

User currently offlineChicoco From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19822 times:

707lvr, I have a documentary on the 777 from scratch, at the end it shows John Cashman at the controls (Camera mounted on glareshield), flying in an open neck shirt,the only added protection he seems to have had on board with him was (if I remember correctly) was a can of Pepsi. The rest is history.

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19701 times:

Boy it sure sounds like Airbus is not that confident in the plane, with explosives and parachutes and everything else.

Haven't laughed that hard in a while! Thanks Burnsie!


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19678 times:

Chicoco, I saw that too, and wondered ...

25 Eg777er : 777 first flight crew flew in orange jumpsuits, helmets, door 1L was rigged to blow and they had parachutes on board. It's all in Karl Sabbagh's book.
26 Scbriml : See reply #25! This was likely not the first flight.
27 Geizistgeil : confirm reply #25 "..., there was a feature that showed how the company still took seriously the possibility that anything could happen. On the right-
28 Leelaw : If you had to jump, would door 1L be the optimal place; don't "jumpers" generally leave the aircraft from a portal behind the wing?
29 Jonty : 707lvr, this happened on the plane that inspired your name, I've got a book on it and it shows Tex Johnston flying in a jump suit and a helmet!
30 Starlionblue : It's funny how many armchair experts we have who think they can plan an emergency test aircraft evacuation better than the engineers who are paid to d
31 Derekf : I've been involved in few first flights myself so I may be able to explain what's going on. I don't know about Airbus or Boeing but the company I work
32 Mozart : Niki Lauda in the simulator? Interesting, how can they already have a simulator if they don't know how the plane behaves in the air?
33 Starlionblue : Niki Lauda in the simulator? Interesting, how can they already have a simulator if they don't know how the plane behaves in the air? Most planes have
34 Mozart : Ah, alright. Happy to learn. Thanks, Starlionblue (thank god I only asked this as a question, as I really liked your comment of armchair experts! ,-)
35 Osteogenesis : Something some members definitely don't have.
36 Vfw614 : One of the prototypes of the aircraft which bears my username (hmm, or was it vice versa ?) crashed during an early test flight on February 1, 1972. T
37 Bully707 : Well said!!! I might be a "new" member to a.net, but have followed this forum closely for some years now. I still can't figure out the reason of some
38 Wilcharl : One poster asked "is this normal for a first flight" (refering to the helmets) YES it is... In fact test pilots often are pictured in polo shirts and
39 SailorOrion : Those "inflight emergency exits" are a common installation on prototypes. The Do 328 I was working with had one too, near the aft pressure bulkhead. S
40 Post contains images RedDragon : To expand on the question about access to the jettisonable hold door, Airbus is apparently going to fit some sort of chute access inside the aircraft
41 Fbgdavidson : Interesting point about 1L. Call me a complete fool but the only plane I have had to learn how to bail out of was a Grob Tutor! Isn't jumping out of
42 Clickhappy : I have seen pictures of the MD-90 prototype that showed an emergency door in the tail and a slide that would deploy so that the crew go parachute out.
43 Post contains images Glideslope : Of course he was. It was a Boeing.
44 Starlionblue : Call me a complete fool but the only plane I have had to learn how to bail out of was a Grob Tutor! Isn't jumping out of 1L putting you in danger of g
45 Aer Lingus : How would the pilots etc in the plane jump out via the cargo door? The pressure outside prevents the doors of the aircraft being opened while flying.
46 Jfkaua : While in flight the pressure is higher inside the cabin so the door would actually be easier to open. Your thinking of passenger cabin doors that sor
47 707lvr : Well, I'm happy to admit I learned something new. Thanks for the information guys.
48 Post contains images Eg777er : Sorry, of course I meant 4L. Unless you want pilot puree
49 Post contains images Gkirk : The A380 can't fly in rain then?
50 Post contains images Tomys : Hello folks My first post here I am interested in some kind of door-open-day (we call it like this) for A380. Do you have any idea? No chance before f
51 Thijs_wieman : I guess the Paris Airshow will be the first possible chance to have a look. Airbus aims to have the A380 there!!
52 Lehpron : Excuse me this is standard procedure when testing a new airplane, just because it is new to you doesn't mean it has never happened before. Would you
53 Starlionblue : How would the pilots etc in the plane jump out via the cargo door? The pressure outside prevents the doors of the aircraft being opened while flying.
54 RedDragon : That's a point - why are the cargo doors on the 737 and DC-9 families plug doors? On a related note, aren't bulk cargo doors generally plug-type? Why
55 Bobster2 : Excerpted from "Boeing 747. Design and Development Since 1967" by Guy Norris and Mark Wagner: "In case of trouble, the crew ... would have run aft fro
56 Airevents : Is there an official source for the information on what the pilots bring and wear and what special precautions are taken for the first flight ? As far
57 777STL : Well I'd imagine if they had to bail out from the first or second decks, they'd run the risk of getting sucked into an engine. With the cargo hold be
58 Starlionblue : Quoting Starlionblue (reply 53): Cargo doors on large airliners are typically not of the plug type. Plug type doors decrease internal space since they
59 Post contains images JetBlast : Seeing an A380 in the air will be simply AMAZING! I can't wait! Regards JetBlast @ BWI
60 Post contains images Tomys : Do you know where&when it can happen
61 Airevents : Once more, is there a source where I can read more about the equipment carried on First flights in general and this one in particular and the precauti
62 DC10GUY : I'm sure Airbus will cover all the angles well. I wonder how many people will be on hand to see it fly for the first time ??? Or for that matter the 2
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