Mx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 806 posts, RR: 22 Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 28015 times:
Have just been informed that minutes ago a passenger has jumped off from the second deck of a Lufthansa's 747 covering flight 497 route MEX - FRA.
According to the ground control, the flight was holding position on or before runway 23L when a passenger opened the door, the slides were armed and he jumped out. Behind the LH 747 two traffics were waiting; a MX 319 and an AM 757.
The A319 was able to do a 180 turn but the 757 requested towing.
The pilot in the A319 advised that the crazy guy was too close to the airplane so continuing with the taxi could be very risky. The LH jumbo reported they would stay in their position for about 1 hour.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3821 posts, RR: 18 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27840 times:
It's posts like this that show how amazing this forum is.
UAL747 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 6664 posts, RR: 35 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27799 times:
OH you crazy neighbors to the south are at it again! This guy must have not taken his meds before the flight, had an agoraphobic panic attack, and felt the urgency to flee. That, or too much Cerveza...
UAL747 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 6664 posts, RR: 35 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27712 times:
I think he means that it is amazing that we get this information before the rest of the world does because of our aviation connections. I don't think he is questioning your credibility.
Mx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 806 posts, RR: 22 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27638 times:
Cessnapimp
According to the last transmission, they are heading back to the gate.
The scanner in my house has some interference so its not quite easy to get everything. I'm sure we will have much more information regarding this soon.
SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2877 posts, RR: 38 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27599 times:
I know people are unhappy with the lack of PTVs on LH planes... but I could never imagine that someone would get this pissed off!
Seriously now, the second deck of LH's B747s only has F class seats. Do you think this guy was a F class passanger?
Snoopy From Japan, joined Oct 2001, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27577 times:
Good lord! I didn't think that F-cl on Lufthansa was THAT bad!! I have certainly never been tempted to jump out of the door. Unless of course, one of those buxom Teutonic Brunnhilde's was starting to make advances....now that might be the reason!!
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 8816 posts, RR: 39 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27562 times:
Quoting Mx330 (reply 6): According to the last transmission, they are heading back to the gate
Are they taxiing back with an orange slide hanging off the side of the plane? That would be a sight to see.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3568 posts, RR: 24 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27552 times:
According to my sources (namely lufthansa.com), LH497 is expected to depart MEX at approximately 12:45 AM local time (scheduled departure was 9:40 PM) but interestingly, however, they expect to show up at FRA on time at 3:00 PM...good luck with that one happening...
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Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 2844 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 27370 times:
Quoting Musapapaya (reply 12): so strange..... how long do they need to put the slide back into the door before the a/c can go away again?
They will need to get another packed slide to replace the one that was blown. It should take only a couple hours max to replace and check everything. That is assuming that they have a spare slide in MEX. The blown slide will have to be deflated and then most likely sent back to the manufacturer and they will repack it so it can be used again.
Brido From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 160 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 27315 times:
Quoting Newark777 (reply 9): Are they taxiing back with an orange slide hanging off the side of the plane? That would be a sight to see
Evacuation slides have not been orange for at least 10 years. They are now silver, made of fire-retardant material.
Previous slides (the orange ones) used to catch fire more easily and/or melt from heat, so these new slides were developed years ago. They reflect/resist the heat and flames, and last longer in a fire emergency.
Also, depending on the regulatory requirements of Germany and LH procedures, they may or may not need to repack the slide. I believe 747-400 have 2 upper-deck slides and so they may be able to depart with just one operational slide up there.
Not sure if MEX has a 747 slide just lying around someplace. Again, the requirements vary by country and airline, but there are procedures written for departing an aircraft with INOP doors/slides.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3821 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 27278 times:
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 5638 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 27106 times:
Quoting Snoopy (reply 8): nless of course, one of those buxom Teutonic Brunnhilde's was starting to make advances....
Well, I don´t know what kind of WW II B-movies caused your idea on German woman but don´t forget Heidi Klum, Claudia Schiffer and Diane Kruger (-actress of Troy).
Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans - John Lennon
BAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1849 posts, RR: 38 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 26862 times:
The slides on the 747, even the ones on the upper desk are detachable, so I would imagine getting the aircraft back would not entail much more than detaching the slide, getting it clear of the aircraft, then the aircraft could taxi minus the one slide back to the gate, off load the passengers while maintenance repacks the slide (I don't know how long that would take on an upper deck door).
If the aircraft were not full, they most likely would remove the passengers to the main deck and seat them downstairs for the taxi, since I'm not sure of the legalities of taxiing with passengers upstairs with one inoperable slide.
Juan APM, great job and thank you!....Your providing us news like this when it happens is exactly why this is the best aviation forum on the web.
Bravo!
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Xpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 586 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26388 times:
This is probably a really dumb question, but it wasn't exactly answered either...is the passenger dead?
Icaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 200 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25801 times:
Hi all,
I think they could simply detach the slide and leave with only one slide on the Upper Deck, or if it is not allowed to carry pax with only one slide, they could downgrade F/C pax to J/C in the main cabin and leave with the UD empty.
They would have to do the safety demonstration manually and that would be it.
If the crew doesn't go over working limits and have to stay in MEX, the flight should arrive with only a slight delay.
Regards.
25 Snoopy: OK, maybe I was overdoing it with the picture. I did add the smiley to demonstrate that I was joking and I do enjoy flying LH. They have always been
26 NoUFO: Don't worry, Snoopy, I actually had a good laugh. Thanks.
27 HZ747300: Here you go: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2496/Events/2496/OrlandoBlo_Pimen_2716910_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Kruger,%20Diane I had attrac
28 Airsicknessbag: Maybe braindead, judging from the way he acted... Seriously, though, why should he have incurred any harm other than rubber burns? Ugh, a downgraded
29 Northwest 777: I wondered the same thing at first but being that everyone is talking about slides and the fact that it didn't get mentioned in, not only the 1st, bu
30 ConcordeLoss: Seriously, though, why should he have incurred any harm other than rubber burns? How could that happen? unless he was naked.
31 Gary2880: i wonder if he would have jumped if the slide wasnt there. did he want to top himself or just get off the plane... closes his eyes jumps out and start
32 Justplanecrazy: I suppose he was arrested for criminal damage ,why didnt he just ask to get off.?
33 Usagypsy: Before anyone gets on my back, I apologise, I have a sick sense of humor.... from the cockpit - 21:42:03 "Flight attendants please be seated for depar
34 TAP1972: Did the guy followed all the security procedures, before leaving the plane? like taking out his shoes before sliding....... Crazy people...!!!!!!!!!
35 CaptainTim: WOW!!! a spotter/ photographer with a photograph of a LF 747 on a taxiway holding short of the runway with doors open and a orange slide hanging down.
36 Spike: Surely this has to be rubbish. If I attempted to stand up during taxi and then open an emergency exit door, somebody would have told me to sit the ***
37 Osteogenesis: Don't you worry I was also laughing. But I had to say this because I have seen a lot of very pretty LH flight attendants.
39 JGPH1A: Wouldn't be much use as an "emergency" exit now, would it ? I think that's the whole point.
40 Wdleiser: LOL! Had my step mom who is a Purser For LH been on that flight and saw him open the door, she would have fully encouraged his exit out the plane with
41 Spike: I'd understand this if it were an American. But a Mexican?? No way Jose.
42 NWADC9: LOL! I'd auction off his luggage after giving him the boot
43 Aa757first: Almost, if not, impossible, as the slides can only take about four to ten seconds to inflate.
44 CATHAY747: Well, just a little update in case anyone is curious as to when it finally took-off and it's ETA at FRA (this is from the Amadeus system FLIFO): DOLH4
46 ViasaMSY: In a situation like this: can the slide be detached, the door closed, and the plane taxi to the gate?. I am surprised that the crew did not request to
47 Spike: The cabin staff are gonna pay for this one. Note to Boeing/Airbus - incorporate idiot catch on all doors. Note to Lufthansa - sack the lot of them.
48 Mx330: O.K. Here is an update. According to the person who's informing me about this and who I thank. CPA Rocha. He spoke with LH groud personal and they tol
49 EZYAirbus: Was it JoseMex on his way to the Fabulous FRA Meet but realised he missed it by 10 days and decided there no point in carrying on with the journey???
50 JetBlast: Ha! Now that would be funny even if the slide is silver. My opinion- this guy is an idiot. Regards JetBlast @ BWI
51 Daumueller: 16 free tickets on the network are cheaper than 300+ compensations due to new EU law which imho should apply here, too. try to open a door at FL350 -
52 UA777222: The real thing that shocks me is how in the hell does a passenger stand up during taxi, proceed to the exit, open the exit, wait for the slide to infl
53 LVZXV: Lufthansa = Let Us F**k The Hostess And Not Say Anything... Regards, ZXV
54 NceBoy: While seating on emergency exit rows I always wondered if the doors where locked in case a crazy PAX wanted to open them, I guess I've the answer now
55 HZ747300: While seating on emergency exit rows I always wondered if the doors where locked in case a crazy PAX wanted to open them, I guess I've the answer now
56 IDAWA: NceBoy, airliner doors are locked by the aircraft's pressurization. These doors are of the "plug" type, so that you need to pull the door inwards befo
57 Matt: Is this on the news anywhere? Any pictures?
59 Columba: Don´t worry I know that you were just making fun. But I would say that LH has some of the best looking flight attendants, maybe not on the longer ro
60 Lrgt: They would only need make these pax move in the event of an emergency landing. They may possibly have to be in J for the takeoff. I would harldly min
61 UA777222: And the passengers already in J are supposed to just take a seat in the back of the bus? Oh wait they already are. I think the situation was handled w
62 Mdsh00: They should make that assclown pay for the flight delay. missed connections, etc. He was in a first class seat after all.
63 B707Stu: Well, remove one meal... upgrade one economy class ffqnt flyer, shove the shoot back in, close the door and away they'll go... with special memories o
64 L1011Lover: LVZXV: It is actually: Let Us F**k The Hostesses As No Stewards Available!!! L1011Lover
65 L1011Lover: Oh, and please guys could you stop this useless good looking, not so good looking, ugly... F/A issue!!! It´s nonsense!!! There are good looking and n
66 DeltaMD11: I'm sure you're being facetious in your commentary, however ust to note, that defeats the purpose of having an emergency exit door in the first place
67 Lehpron: You folks seem pretty heartless not to wonder too much about the guy that jumped out. You folks are so incredibly obcessed with the airlines/airplanes
68 Lufthansa: L1011Lover You seriously have me questioning my username!
69 Copter808: Until Spike designs a door that will not let "Idiots" open it, yet still let non-idiots open it in case of emergency, we'll have to expect the occasio
70 Sabena332: It is the best thing you can do when you are onboard of a Lufthansa flight! Patrick
71 Newark777: Yes, that is correct. If I were on that plane, I would be mighty pissed if my plans got completely screwed up because an idiot decided to jump out of
72 Boo25: DON'T give the cabin crew a hard time on this one, grrrrrr. If it was taxying , they may have been in the galley or just one f/a near the door. The -4
73 Aerofan: "Good lord! I didn't think that F-cl on Lufthansa was THAT bad!! I have certainly never been tempted to jump out of the door. Unless of course, one o
74 COAMiG29: Is the idiot still alive after a fall like that? the boeing 747 cockpit is 60 feet up. if he left the seccond deck there is no way to the wing so he h
75 Newark777: You have a point there, I doubt I would risk my life in that situation to stop a crazy person. Ultimately the responsibility rests on the man who com
76 ZRH: Or an other: Let Us Fuck The Hostess And Never See Again. (sorry, but I never understand, why I should not write the F-word when everybody knows what
77 Airgeek12: That's horrible. I wonder if we have people from like CNN and stuff as members in here so they can get the inside scoop on aviation stuff like we do.
78 KBOS: Maybe he heard they were out of rich Columbian coffee....
79 AirWillie6475: Wait a second, how could the passenger open the door of the plane? The plane wasn't pressurised even after leaving the gate?
80 1MillionFlyer: planes do not pressurize (noramally) until they leave the ground
81 Apollo13: Is there a place were we can listen to the reports of the ATC and the LH pilot?
82 Guilledc10: Quoting UAL747 OH you crazy neighbors to the south are at it again! This guy must have not taken his meds before the flight, had an agoraphobic panic
84 Tiger119: OK, how long are the slides from the upper deck and at what kind of angle is the slide from the door to the ground?
85 Fa4am: O.k. For all of you wanting to know! Did the passenger get killed? No, he slide down and ran to the Fields. It took a while for (la PFP) the police to
87 JetMARC: I believe the upper deck slide is something like 4 stories high. Also, if I was a flight attendant strapped in for take off, I wouldn't think the appr
88 Chuffy: Sounds like a sketch off the BBC's 'Little Brtain'. " I don't like it. I wanna go Helsinki."
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