NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5917 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15928 times:
I can see Southwest all over this one!!! I bet they it'll be less than ten years if WN says they'll put in a huge order to replace all the 737s...that'll get the 737 replacement program going full steam.
MD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15898 times:
Quoting NYC777 (reply 0): I think they need to do a clean sheet design that incorporates the technologies of the 787.
I agree. I think it's an opportunity to come up with a new narrowbody family with the technology and materials of the 787. Also offer some commonality with the 787 and a wider fuselage like the A320 to counter one of that family's stronger selling points.
The 737 has been great and I'd be sorry to see it end, but I think a new family and design would be more attractive to airlines in the long run.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6865 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15885 times:
I could see it as the 838 series.. to show a bump to a new level but with the same force that was the 737.. but that is just a marketing tool I would use.. and it would make the Asian airlines happy.. with 2 8's!!!
Ready4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15819 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (reply 1): So, within the next decade, we'll see the ending of probably the most successful commercial aircraft design of all time. Remarkable.
But really good to see Boeing keeping up. Just because something was successful, and continues to be so, doesn't mean that it can't plan and design for the future. When/if Airbus ever announce they are updating their A320 family, Boeing can already claim that they have already begun this process. They are proving they are not being complacent.
Spike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15774 times:
I'm surprised its not 737 planes over 20 years or 14,740 in total. Bit close of a coincidence dont you think? The 797 will just be a new narrow bodied 777 or (737) but called a 797. The nose will still be 40 years old+
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15761 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (reply 1): So, within the next decade, we'll see the ending of probably the most successful commercial aircraft design of all time.
All good things. . .
Hey, Volkswagon ended their Beetle line, the best-selling automobile of all time and revamped it with a completely newer model that incorporated modern technology. . .looks like Boeing will do the same.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15741 times:
& expect some more "good" 737NG deals in the near future to fill up the lines until this aircraft comes along...
Boeing indicates it depends on "when will Airbus do something", rread : if Airbus launches a 320NG series. This depends IMO mainly on availability of new technology engines in the narrowbody weight class.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5917 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15626 times:
I can see WN totally driving the development of the plane with a very large initial order but also a lot of legacy 737 carriers. If Boeing plays it right this program can be even more successful than the 787 currently is.
PM From Namibia, joined Feb 2005, 7274 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15622 times:
Sounds like it's replacing the 737, not overhauling it.
Each version of the 737 has only been available with one engine type. That's made life much simpler for Boeing and has been a cash cow first for PW and latterly (and much more so) for CFM. What are the chances that Boeing will choose just a single type for the 737 replacement? Would there be any marketing advantages in offering two engine types? We can be sure that both CFM and IAE (or individual IAE members??) will pursue this business like never before. Might the engine manufacturer invest in the whole programme like GE did on the 773ER/772LR?
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15341 times:
Next decade, potentially that is a lot of aircraft that will need to be replaced. In the next decade 757's, 737NG's, MD80/MD90's, and the A318/A319/A320/A321 will be getting up there in age... Hmmmm? Do I see Southwest as the launch customer for this new type of 737?
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15315 times:
Who says the 737 replacement will be a narrowbody? Don't forget that funny fat little fuselage for small widebodies that Boeing patented recently!
Odd looks aside, that would be a fantastic layout from passengers' perspective, and could really give Boeing a competitive advantage. Just imagine the marketing campaigns. No more bickering over inches...how about a whole other aisle! How do you like THEM apples?
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 9679 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15191 times:
Quoting Scbriml (reply 20): Quoting NYC777 (reply 18):
I can see WN totally driving the development of the plane
Neither Airbus nor Boeing would be foolhardy enough to let a single customer completely dictate the specs of a new plane. Not even their biggest customer.
Also, as a whole new aircraft with nothing in common with the existing 737 in their fleet, that would certainly open the door to Airbus. Ok, maybe just a sliver of a crack but more than today nonetheless
: There is a zero percent chance of selling 700 frames of the 737 every year for the next 20. Its a misquote. N
: It would be foolish for Boeing to sink so much money in R&D on the 787 and then not incorporate it into newer planes in the future. Even Boeing planes
: I am going for the nomenclature of "837" Eight=for new generation, 8 a lucky number in some parts of the world. Three= Thirty indicating similar appli
: Despite the supreme success and production numbers of the 737 series, it is getting close to the time when it will have to be eventually replaced with
: No that doesn´t sound like Boeing. I think it will be the 797 or 808. But since the 787 didn´t become the 808 as a new model it will be the 797. I
: Perhaps all future Boeing 737 replacements (I still say 838) will come standard with seat-back monitors and Boeing Connexion..
: Not a chance, that is something that always remain an option to the airline. Boeing is not going to do something like that for free, and some airline
: I'm just thinking ahead.. never know what the future holds.. but you are probably right.. but they are going to do something shocking.. perhaps..
: Lets not think inside the box. 2 facts: 1- WN has a system (for 737 sized planes) most envy and will soon try and duplicate. Which gives WN a robust
: Without a doubt every available hand would be working on it the same day. Can you immagine replacing 400+ aircraft? WOW!
: I seriously doubt they will offer only one engine type, given that they can do bleedless, interchangable engines now (787).
: I agree ! Just curious if Boeing will go all composite ? If Boeing were to develope an all Composite Super Jumbo within the next 10 to 15 years . Cou
: If the 787 is a big hit and a proven money maker for Boeing and the customers, I bet they would. No way to tell until the 787 takes to the skies.
: Now why do I have the feeling we might see 737 NG part 2 ? They should get over the sixties design and construct a completely new airframe, which shou
: Well from the articel, it sounds like that is what Boeing is going to do. A clean sheet design based on the 787 technologies.
: Keesje wrote: & expect some more "good" 737NG deals in the near future to fill up the lines until this aircraft comes along... Exactly what I said whe
: Somehow, I don't think the classic Boeing narrowbody nose (exluding the 757) will be retained on this newer design 737 replacement a/c. I think, it'l
: First off, that it is next to impossible that this will occur. Second, who the hell cares!
: Does it not just mean that their overall sales will reach 14,715 units in the next 20 years and its just been typed wrong or misquoted?[Edited 2005-0
: There was nothing in this article that we didn't already know. Boeing has just confirmed the obvious.
: Keesje: I doubt Boeing will sell 14,715 units of the 737 aircraft in the next 20 years. Sorry if anyone feels I'm bashing Boeing. You might want to co
: It'll be a 787-XXX from my understanding. As will all the next gen composite birds.
: Interesting. Somebody else above mentioned Boeing's patented "short-widebodied" design. What other info can you share with us, Boeing7E7? (By the way
: So...can Airbus afford to develop an airplane to compete with the new 737, while finishing the expensive A380 project and also developing the A350?
: I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone look at the financial aspect of this regarding how it will play out for Airbus. As of right now, while R&D costs h
: Oh yes... I remember being flamed and ridiculed for starting a thread topic about such subject... And now, everyone seems content. Hmmph!!!
: The RD cost for a 100-200 seat aircraft, even in a competitive niche, are much less than the cost of a new/upgraded widebody. You can do a lot with $
: Boeing: Develop a 737 replacement overlapping with 787 development, while also doing a 747Adv upgrade. Airbus: Develop a 320 replacement overlapping w
: I believe we will see a completely different airplane, though still generic, I imagine some here won't like it, won't care or blindly go along with i
: I'm not saying they can't pull it off; just that it will be a long and hard road for them. Boeing is just starting down the road of large capital outl
: Boeing paralleled a good deal of the 777 and 737NG development. The 777 was one of the most expensive Boeing planes ever, coming close to $14 billion
: As I stated before . I feel airbus and the A380 could be vulnerable if Boeing were to make a plastic "composite" super jumbo some time in the next dec
: -The Sonic Cruiser, which was made public three years before the 7E7 concept, was to have an all-composite fuselage. Remember that the 787 is a direc
: Every companies has divisions that take care of business, the whole company does not take the burden. Every company has customer services, an R&D dep
: I've looked everywhere for information on Boeing's funny fat little fuselage for small widebodies that they patented recently! Anyone have a link? A P
: I'd like to share a recent experience I had on a WB 73G. Flying Vegas to Albany NY, I told my wife we should move to the back quickly as no one wants
: Its good to see the B737 will have a B787 overhaul, but it will be an end of an era when the last 737 model comes off the line
: Noone seems to want to look up the Boeing CMO. I did. It says they expect 14,715 "single-aisle airplanes" in the next two decades. So, not B737s per
: IMHO Boeing will do what Airbus did with A320: it's basically a scaled-down A300. I believe it was Mike Bair who said that Boeing is planning to use 7
: I think this upcoming 737 replacement will look quite similar to the 787, but smaller and a narrowbody of course. A scaled down miniaturized 787 simil
: I agree with ODwyerPW, the next generation 100-150 passenger get from Boeing will be a version of the twin aisle patent idea that was posted a while b
: While the narrow wide body sounds appealing, if the airlines sole interest is in speeding up boarding/deboarding, then dual ramps sounds like a better
: actually Flyabunch, I'm a proponant of the 737 remaining single isle. I agree with Atmx2000, why carry more plane than you need? I cited my experience
: I donno but I copied the pix, if u want it, email me. I will bet anything that thing will have blownflaps like C-17, it would be perfect, then relati
69 BWIA 772
: I say lets call it the 7N7 (if that hasnt been used before) N for narrow body N for nine. So you think they would go with a circular fuselagae as they
: I remember reading somewhere within the last 6 months that WN executives have talked to Boeing about using 787 technology to create the 737 replacemen
: Think... 787 nose 737 body (but wider by about 6-8") 737 NG Wing Same avionics pack as the 787 Bleedless engine is only about 6" wider in diameter whi
: I doubt it at this point. Boeing has done the work for interchangeable engines for the 787, that's pretty easily ported to older engines. Assuming th
: 7N7 was the working name for what became the 757. Make that "A330 upgrade".
: While I agree with most of what Boeing7E7 wrote in Reply #71, I expect the B737 replacement will have a new wing rather than use the B737NG wing. The
: You are absolutly correct. The A350 appears to be a A330 upgrade. My gut reaction is still that Airbus is using this plane the same way as Boeing use
: I shouldn't have to point out that two out of your three examples have nothing to do with either Boeing or Airbus. You may as well throw in the Tride
: Ignoring the total irrelevance of two of your three examples (neither Boeing nor Airbus), the sales figures support my point not yours!  Thinki
: FYI, CFMI does not believe that will be the case (as reported in Flight International 27 Jul 04): Pierre Fabre, CFMI president, adds: "Airbus and Boe
: Bid specifications, key word being: bid. Both manufactures were contending for their order, and both manufactures selected a trijet to meet AA's payl
: So the VFW-614 design could be validated yet!
: Most likely composite, but the same style. Good for CFM, but I don't see them making the engine to begin with.
: I believe Boeing will move forward on the project when their customers tell them to - especially WN. I find it hard to believe that Boeing has not had
: Hope springs eternal... no? I imagine that the required larger fan diameter of the next iteration of the 737 influenced the high-wing design in the r
: anyone care to show us the recent high-wing short wide-body patent that Boeing recently applied for. I'd like to see photos. ANy links?
: Welcome aboard the 797! The logical designation for Boeing. I hope the quantum leap in nomenclature will correspond to a revolutionary new bird. Such
: Well, the A350 is an A330 upgrade, but the A330 is really an A340 upgrade, the A340 was an A320 upgrade, and the A320 was an A300 upgrade...so, in ba
: I lost the link, but just imagine a scaled-down C-17 twinjet with passenger configuration.
: yuck, that will be one ugly plane. Like the Russian Regional Jet that looks like a twin engine Avro RJ.
: Don't see why so many of you appear so sure that there will be an '800' series. Boeing's certainly never mentioned it, so it sounds like you're just i
: 735 planes per year over 20 years? Assuming it's not a misquote, that seems a massively optimistic number. Umm ... 735 planes per year? yikes, that's
: That 14,700 figure is probably for all aircraft in its class. 737s? I think they are manufactured at a rate of between 20-25 frames per month give or
: No, they produce a lot more than 1 or 2 737s a month, with over 200 made in 2004. The highest annual delivery rate was 320 in 1999. It would take Boei
: Right. Like the MD-11 is really an updated DC-3.