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User currently onlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 705 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12401 times:

Is this done anywhere else besides Switzerland, or for anyone else besides El Al? ? I'm sure that armored vehicle provides the 737 with great companionship during taxi  Smile Looks like window dressing to me ...


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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12362 times:

It's just for show mostly, but it's standard for El Al and AA at ZRH.

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User currently offlineERJ145LR From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12358 times:

I mean... if its done in Switzerland, its probably done in Israel..after all, its a tad more dangerous there.

User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 869 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12328 times:

I dont understand what makes El Al so special as to require this 'special' treatment. I understand the whole terrorist thing but still. El Al is not special. Do they pay for these services or do they get it for free? I know in Munich they have their own terminal. I am tired of our western governments cowtowing to Israel this is just an example.


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User currently offlineERJ145LR From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12318 times:

So whats the point of it? I mean Zurich isnt exactly a dangerous place??!! is it just out of respect? What a boring job..to follow around a few planes in a tank.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12301 times:

Here in Germany they do also get a "special treatment", not always with an escort to the runway but mostly is the area around their gate locked by the Federal Border Guard and (rumor said so) the Mossad.

When you are doing the ramp tour in FRA, they tell you that you are not allowed to take pictures of LY planes, in my opinion is this only a reason more to get interested in them.

Patrick


User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12288 times:

LY pays for their added security. Not taking pictures of their planes is nuts, but the taxi escort is understandable.


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12280 times:

Quoting ERJ145LR (reply 4):
So whats the point of it? I mean Zurich isnt exactly a dangerous place??!! is it just out of respect? What a boring job..to follow around a few planes in a tank.


I agree 100%, I can absolutely not see a point of this tank escort in most countires of this world, it is just a waste of money!

But I guess that nobody cares as long as LY is state owned, money don't matter in this case.

Patrick


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 12279 times:

Someone on here posted about walking by a LY gate at maybe LAX and being unfarely targeted by LY security. They only draw more attention to their carrier when they do stuff like this.

User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12133 times:

Last weekend, fo the first time ever, I saw a Los Angeles World Airports police car follow an EL AL 767 out of the gate down the taxiway. I asked an LAWA officer eating at the McDonalds in the International Terminal about it, and she said that its donw regularly in case there's a perimeter breach to the airport with a vehicle. This kind of makes sense, a car fully laden with explosives could ram a fence and position itself just under the plane while its taxiing and o a lot of damage.

I'm more taken aback by the ramp side body searches:


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12009 times:

Quoting Planenutz (reply 9):
This kind of makes sense, a car fully laden with explosives could ram a fence and position itself just under the plane while its taxiing and o a lot of damage.



what is the security car going to do? Shoot the vehicle, better yet, get in front of it so it stops the supposed suicide bomber? I hope they are getting well paid for their efforts!!!

A bit paranoid if one asks me!



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11995 times:

I could swear a couple months ago the same question was raised with the same picture and the first reply showed the same AA picture.

El Al's security is top notch. There is plenty more going on you don't see. These are just the visible images you tend to notice or are supposed to notice.



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11987 times:

Quoting ERJ145LR (reply 2):
I mean... if its done in Switzerland, its probably done in Israel..after all, its a tad more dangerous there.


Not, it is not done in Israel. The over all security level is higher, so there is no need in such measures. We also monitor who enters our country, unlike Germany for example.

Quoting MIA (reply 3):
I know in Munich they have their own terminal.

No they have not. They just use a remote terminal.

Quoting Sabena332 (reply 7):
But I guess that nobody cares as long as LY is state owned


It is no longer state owned.


As far as I know (concerning DE, not CH) this security measure is provided courtesy of Bundesgrenzschutz, since the last thing they want to host is a terror act against an Israel a/c.

[Edited 2005-03-02 09:21:18]


2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineSnoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

February 18, 1969, the PFLP attacked a taxiing EL AL aircraft in Zurich killing the FO and wounding the Captain. That's the reason...I know, it's over thirty years ago, but old habits die hard....

http://www.answers.com/topic/popular...nt-for-the-liberation-of-palestine


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11966 times:

From the Bundesgrenzschutz site:

http://www.bundesgrenzschutz.de/down...schuere/Infobroschuere_BGS_Eng.pdf

"The Bundesgrenzschutz fulfils this duty mainly
through
œ checking the flight passengers and their hand
luggage and checked-in luggage using qualified
trained staff and sophisticated aviation security
technology
œ measures when objects are identified which
could cause danger, for example by seizing forbidden
objects such as weapons and ammunition
or by deactivating unconventional explosives
or incendiary devices
œ surveillance of the entire airport grounds,
œ carrying out protective measures for particularly
vulnerable flights and airlines (high-risk clearance)
"



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11964 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (reply 12):
Not, it is not done in Israel. The over all security level is higher, so there is no need in such measures. We also monitor who enters our country, unlike Germany for example.


I would not say the security level is higher in Israel - though you monitor your borders, suicide bombers cannot be stopped it seems.


The patrols by tank are totally ridiculous and make no sense at all. If some terrorists hide under some trees or elsewhere close to the airport fence they could still fire at the plane after turning onto the runway (with machine gun or Stingers), with or without tank. The tank is just "show" to increase the security impression for some people. A waste of money.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11918 times:

Udo,

The troop carriers (not tanks) are there because the authorities are aware of the fact the perimeter security is not good enough in many European airports. Their main goal though is to protect pax boarding/disembarking the a/c. Leave that aside, they provide a deterrence factor. I really do not know how efficient they really are, yet as long as there are organizations that their main cause includes targeting Israeli facilities overseas I don't think there's really a choice.



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11905 times:

"I dont understand what makes El Al so special as to require this 'special' treatment. I understand the whole terrorist thing but still. El Al is not special. Do they pay for these services or do they get it for free? I know in Munich they have their own terminal. I am tired of our western governments cowtowing to Israel this is just an example."

I notice your lack of comment on AA......what makes them so special??? To use your own logic, an awful lot of people are tired of governments kowtowing to the arrogance of Washington!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11843 times:

EL AL When operates to Mumbai,Prior to Landing,An EL AL Security Vehicle Partols the Airport perimeter road [inside the Airport near the wall].
After the Aircraft touches down & proceeds to Taxi back,The Vehicle will accompany the Aircraft by driving down the perimeter road until it parks at its allotted stand.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11821 times:

When trying to secure something you must address the different kinds of threats.

When performing a body search on the ramp staff, the idea is to prevent he/she from carrying explosives, knives or guns to or inside the plane. The threat of Stinger missiles cannot be met in this way.

The idea of using an armored vehicle is not necessarily to prevent missiles from hitting the plane but to be visible and to prevent people with personal firearms (including machine guns) from attacking or to stop any attack performed in this way.
The vehicle will be a visible sign that some sort of security exists around this plane. Of course not all the security around the plane will be visible. Hopefully some attackers will loose courage or maybe just hesitate a few seconds, giving the police valuable seconds.

The attack in East Africa showed that Israeli planes may have means of addressing missile attacks.

Next to that I'm pretty sure that the police and El Al/Israeli security has a number of other ways of addressing threats. Things they keep to themselves  Smile

Yours in realtime
JHSfan



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User currently offlineBoac707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11611 times:

El Al security world wide is a very no nonsense business. They are tenacious and very vigilant. I don't think I would class them as run off the mill security. From what I have seen, in most cases they are better trained than most police agencies.


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User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11588 times:

I know that ELAL gets security escorts at AMS.
NW planes are being secured as well. Catering truck drivers, load managers and anyone who has business near a NW plane is being frisked for that matter.

I don't know about other U.S. carriers in AMS though.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

I mean... if its done in Switzerland, its probably done in Israel..after all, its a tad more dangerous there.

TLV is probably the most secure airport in the world.

Is this done anywhere else besides Switzerland, or for anyone else besides El Al?

All American carriers using ZRH get escorted.


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I dont understand what makes El Al so special as to require this 'special' treatment.

Something about millions of people wishing to destroy their country ring a bell?

I understand the whole terrorist thing but still. El Al is not special. Do they pay for these services or do they get it for free? I know in Munich they have their own terminal.

El Al receives money from the Israeli government to pay for added security.

I am tired of our western governments cowtowing to Israel this is just an example.

How is this cowtowing to Israel?!!!!! American, Continental, and Delta all recieve the same security escort at ZRH as LY does because we have a common enemy. So please explain to me how this is cowtowing? LY is allowed to do whatever they want on their planes, and because of what they do, they are universally regarded as the safest airline in the world.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11516 times:
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I have a different take on this. Since Switzerland is neutral, they never get to use their army. Someone mentioned that following a plane around is boring, I would think doing nothing is even more boring.

This gives the Swiss army something to do besides sharpening their pocket knives.

For those whining complainers about El Al receiving special treatment, remember that they have had three attacks on their ticket counters since 1985 when there were simultaneous attacks in Rome and Vienna, killing "innocent" people (innocent, in this case being not affiliated with Palestine or Israel).



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11505 times:

Why doesn't El Al just use code share partners that way you wouldn't be able to tell where the plane had come from or the type of passenger it was carrying.

All this extra attention is completely unnecessary and must be an inconvenience to European airport operators.


25 RJpieces : Why doesn't El Al just use code share partners that way you wouldn't be able to tell where the plane had come from or the type of passenger it was car
26 LY4XELD : Are you a European airport operator? I find it hard to believe that asking a single police vehicle to follow an aircraft, whether Israeli or otherwis
27 AMSSFO : The escorts are not the only security measures; ElAl also has armed guards in and around their planes. I think that they even do not fly to Sweden and
28 Capt.Fantastic : RJpieces: I don't want to make this a political discussion, but El Al can afford to have show pieces like armored tanks because the USA gives them a b
29 HZ747300 : The US gave over $15 Billion in Aid in 2003, almost double the next top nation, Japan with $8.91 Billion. The top recipients of US Aid were: 1. Egypt:
30 Notbluejet : I can tell you here in JFK they have their own "EL Al" security follow the plane from touchdown to take off along the service road. They also have a P
31 MNeo : Actually i havent noticed any security from LY while at T4. I was boaring a LX flight and the LY flight was parked 2 gates away from it. I was able t
32 Iad777 : Capt.Fantastic You are uninformed. Get your facts straight before "not wanting to start a political debate" but then starting one based on facile assu
33 LegendDC9 : Hate to sound so critical but this level of ignorance is why LY has to be the most secure airline in the world. If you really did, as you claim to, "
34 JrMafia90 : Why do American airlines has escorts in Zurich, is it that bad? Why only Zurich for American airlines? If it is that bad then why do people go there?
35 Jacobin777 : I personally don't have a problem with LY having security and a tank following them....just as long as its not MY dollars going to LY exclusively (i.e
36 Ricardofg : el al gets this special treatment everywhere...at yyz, theyh have they armoured vehichle, there own security task force, swat team at check in counter
37 Prebennorholm : I have seen (almost) the same escort at CPH in the older days when it was so much easier to watch the ops. But there was only one armored vehicle, plu
38 Planenutz : Ricardofg is correct. YYZ is has the most visibly secure operations for EL AL that I've seen at any airport. Last time I visited YYZ I happened to pas
39 LY744 : That's some sense of humour you got there Ricardo. LY744.
40 Capt.Fantastic : I agree with Jacobin777: Although El Al is unfortunately a target for terrorism, we as US taxpayers should not have to pick up the tab for things like
41 Prebennorholm : Dear Planenutz, it's in principle the same all over. It may be more or less visible from the outside due to the physical layout of the departure termi
42 RicardoFG : oh, not to mention the two plained clothed armed officers that fly on every el al flight yyz-lax and yyz-tlv...
43 DAirbus : Just to add to the discussion: I was at YYZ two years ago parked along the perimeter at the end of 24L watching planes land with several other people
44 Prebennorholm : Capt.Fantastic and Jacobin777, you are a minority in your own country. The US government is willing to pay a high price for not having an El Al plane
45 B707Stu : Wow, I am completely amazed at what I'm reading here. And frankly, deeply disturbed and offended. I work 8 blocks from the World Trade Center and witn
46 MissedApproach : Let me point out a few things for those of you who do not understand the concept of security. First of all, the vehicle pictured is an Armoured Person
47 Post contains links and images AOMlover : And guess who took a "forbidden" picture at FRA of an El Al MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Clément Guivarc'h You can easily see the security arou
48 TodaReisinger : Although El Al is unfortunately a target for terrorism, we as US taxpayers should not have to pick up the tab for things like armored escorts. US taxp
49 Texdravid : B707stu, Your comments are right on and I salute you for them. Many on this thread make it look like El Al takes money directly from your wallet. Many
50 Jonty : I know when I was a Geneva airport the El Al check-in desks were seperated fom all other scheduled airlinesand were in the old terminal with the chart
51 AirFrnt : I don't even know where to start. First of all, the United States does not give anyone a blank check, even our own Government. The US spends much mor
52 Post contains images 1MillionFlyer : AirFrnt very well said, I am sick of all the uninformed comments in here, this is an aviation site, we don't need politics in here, we have Fox news f
53 TodaReisinger : El Al doesn't have separate check-in counters in GVA for at least 18 years, at least in the main terminal where check-in takes place for all regular E
54 Post contains links and images Planenutz : Some more pics: Brussels: View Large View MediumPhoto © Vinckbooms Kenny View Large View MediumPhoto © Daniel Werner Los Angeles (LAX): View
55 Avion : Hi i'm from ZRH. Let me clarify a few things. Firstly that armored vehicle that usually escorts LY is not operated by the army but by the police. As y
56 Ab1247 : @ HZ747300 "I have a different take on this. Since Switzerland is neutral, they never get to use their army. Someone mentioned that following a plane
57 Qantas077 : having recently been to ZRH i can tell you that the only flights that got the escort were the flights to Tel Aviv, the escort for CO, DL and AA ceased
58 Manu : I flew out of Geneva recently and had to go through police "control" before proceeding through more familiar security. Is this a Geneva thing, or a Sw
59 Ab1247 : @ Manu Yes, that is generally normal for you to go through "emigration" before you enter the terminal area. All Swiss airports' airside terminal areas
60 LegendDC9 : B707Stu, great post. Most people have no understanding at all why all of the security measures are required, you hit it right on the head. As far as t
61 Aa777jr : oh, not to mention the two plained clothed armed officers that fly on every el al flight yyz-lax and yyz-tlv... Mossad is on most TLV runs and also mo
62 BoeingFever777 : @ LegandDC9 Does Mossad indeed fly with and guard LY to most airports they serve?
63 LY7E7 : APCs are being used only in DE, CH and AT as far as I know. As I've already stated LY does not pay for it. Neither does the US tax payer. Mossad does
64 Jacobin777 : which is a shame, because I sure in heck don't want my tax dollars going to LY, to EK, etc. unless its for ALL the air carriers.... While admittingly
65 Post contains images Snoopy : The amount of static and clutter on this thread is amazing....
66 Edka : I could not resist adding some comments to this thread... so here we go: While admittingly there is a higher probability of an LY plane being shot dow
67 Sk945 : ElAl comes with some charter flights to ARN every year and when ever that happends, there are extra security around the airport. Spotters are looked i
68 RJpieces : LY want extra security, they can pay their own bills...of course, I'm making an assumtion here that LY doesn't pay for all of their own security bills
69 Iad777 : At most airports, security is run by the government, whether it be local, regional or federal. Therefore, security is paid for by taxpayer dollars. Wh
70 LegendDC9 : I am sure that the mossad has better use of it's agents' time rather than sitting on airplanes for hours. The security folks either belong to LY or p
71 B707Stu : LegendDC9 Thanks. It will be interesting to see how the Middle East "democracy" movement impacts commercial aircraft sales. I can see a large MEA and
72 Post contains links Aa777jr : Mossad = US CIA (intelligence and special tasks, Ie. air marshalling, Shin Beth = US CIA (general state security), and Aman = US Delta/US SWAT. Most
73 Erikwilliam : why the moderators still let this threads to go on and on. One thing that I found out in my life is, do not discuss certain things, as religion, sport
74 LegendDC9 : " target=_blank>http://www.cvni.net/radio/nsnl/nsnl6....html Not that I needed a lecture on this stuff, but I couldn't find anywhere in there a statem
75 RJpieces : Mossad = US CIA (intelligence and special tasks, Ie. air marshalling, Shin Beth = US CIA (general state security), and Aman = US Delta/US SWAT. That i
76 B707Stu : Erik William said "But it´s a fact that Israel gets a lot of help from the US and it´s also a fact that Israel will always use the holocaust as an e
77 Post contains images LY744 : Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... You ever see a Desert Eagle? They are not anyone's "standard issue" side arm, and for a good reason. El Al has their own
78 Jacobin777 : and your point is? i didn't know it was a forum taboo to reiterate past comments/arguments, if you do not like my opinions, don't read 'em... no obse
79 Capt.Fantastic : This discussion is (at least somewhat) pertinent to aviation, since LY is a state funded airline and the USA allocates a vast amount of money to Israe
80 AirFrnt : You would have a lot more creditability saying "I'm not taking sides" if you didn't just take a side in the above paragraph. Furthermore saying that
81 LY744 : It just got privatised Which automatically means that a Swiss airport police APC escorting LY aircraft around ZRH was paid for by American tax payer
82 Snoopy : Well for someone who by their own admission is not sure what they are talking about, you sure as h*ll are making a lot of noise!! I said earlier that
83 Jacobin777 : Snoopy....are you done with your vacuous ramblings?
84 SK A340 : I can't speak for Australia, but the reason for LY to leave ARN was that the armed guards at the check-in counter was not allowed by Swedish law. Per
85 Snoopy : M'lud...I rest my case!
86 HAWK21M : What about Air-Marshalls....How frequent on EL AL flights. regds MEL
87 Erikwilliam : Makes me a bit sad to know that some people can read but can not understand, so so sad. All I said was let´s secure everyone, not just El AL in speci
88 RJpieces : ErikWilliam, your posts seem to go one way and then totally reverse....Funny though. "Good luck to the Jews", "Congrats on Sweden for not letting them
89 HZ747300 : As a long-time resident of Saudi Arabia, I can testify they happily go about ignoring both human rights and international law. Please note, as you st
90 LY7E7 : Moderators, aren't you supposed to do something?
91 Erikwilliam : It´s not for letting them in, is for not allowing such thing to happen as EL AL armed securites. That´s what I asked in my first post. This kinds o
92 Jacobin777 : you had no case to begin with...........
93 Iad777 : Jacobin777: "none..and that is not what the discussion is about.....not to mention, both are public, non-profit organizations, where as EK, LY are for
94 LegendDC9 : Other than the absurd fact that someone from saudi arabia actualy says anything about someone else's human rights, how exactly can you "testify" to t
95 RJpieces : Other than the absurd fact that someone from saudi arabia actualy says anything about someone else's human rights, how exactly can you "testify" to th
96 LegendDC9 : You know... you are right RJ, I did not read the full post and I apologize for that as it would have perhaphs toned down my response. However, the st
97 Flyboy36y : I was on a SWISS flight ZRH-TLV and we were escorted by the Police.
98 Post contains images Flyboy36y : Here are pictures: In the second pic you can see the Police car that followed us from start to finish.
99 TodaReisinger : Each SWISS flight to/from Israel is also an El Al flight, all flights are code-shared. But already in the days of Swissair, before the code-sharing ag
100 Post contains images Capt.Fantastic : With regard to violating human rights in particular, let's not forget about China and India: Let's move our discussion farther east ... LOL! interesti
101 4xRuv : It means "up to the sky"
102 Post contains images HAWK21M : With regards to India Fox news reports huh Dont believe Everything you Hear on Tv. regds MEL
103 RJpieces : With regard to violating human rights in particular, let's not forget about China and India What a foolish comment. China, of course. But, INDIA?! I'm
104 HZ747300 : I always wondered that myself. Thanks!
105 Capt.Fantastic : RJPiece what I find to be a *foolish comment* is your blanket statement about Arab countries, or what you refer to as "other Arab regimes" eluding to
106 RJpieces : RJPiece what I find to be a *foolish comment* is your blanket statement about Arab countries, or what you refer to as "other Arab regimes" eluding to
107 COSPN : Politics aside... Israel Wrote the book on Aviation Security, they are years ahead of anyone else and yes it is expensive...but so was 9-11...I find i
108 B707Stu : Well said. At this point it's only Iraq. Lebanon will be next (bring on the new aircraft orders when it returns to the Paris on the Med) and Egypt is
109 IAD777 : Speaking of security....has an El Al flight ever had to diver to an Arab airport? Or ever had to fly over an Arab State's airspace for an emergency? W
110 LegendDC9 : That's a nice question. As a rule though, LY is banned from flying in arab airspace. Therefore, on all LY flights to the far east, they either fly so
111 FlyingDove : Don't forget the good 'ol days when El Al used to fly TLV-Tehran...
112 Post contains links Jacobin777 : * The nature of US foreign aid to Israel A1. Constitutes 30% of the total US foreign aid budget, which renders Israel to be the largest recipient of
113 Skyguy : I don't think anyone has any problem with El Al or any other airline for that matter taking whatever steps necessary to secure themselves and the pass
114 Boeingforever : israel is also the only country to pay back loans to the US..ill find a link to that,,
115 LegendDC9 : I don't understand what your problem is in all of this. People that travel on LY to Israel understand that this is not like catching a flight to Wich
116 HAWK21M : What about those that did not take loans. regds MEL
117 Post contains links Pmg1704 : For those curious how US taxpayers dollars are being used for funding military projects in other countries, check out: http://www.dsca.osd.mil/home/fo
118 Capt.Fantastic : FYI: I will start a thread of this topic in the non-aviation forum, in case anyone here would like to contribute. RJPiece: Your comment above reflects
119 LifelinerOne : 1. More EL AL like security probably wouldn't stopped the hijackers for the flights as they were unarmed, or armed with very light weapons. An armed
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