Capt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 761 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13331 times:
Is this done anywhere else besides Switzerland, or for anyone else besides El Al? ? I'm sure that armored vehicle provides the 737 with great companionship during taxi Looks like window dressing to me ...
MIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 881 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13258 times:
I dont understand what makes El Al so special as to require this 'special' treatment. I understand the whole terrorist thing but still. El Al is not special. Do they pay for these services or do they get it for free? I know in Munich they have their own terminal. I am tired of our western governments cowtowing to Israel this is just an example.
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Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13231 times:
Here in Germany they do also get a "special treatment", not always with an escort to the runway but mostly is the area around their gate locked by the Federal Border Guard and (rumor said so) the Mossad.
When you are doing the ramp tour in FRA, they tell you that you are not allowed to take pictures of LY planes, in my opinion is this only a reason more to get interested in them.
Planenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13063 times:
Last weekend, fo the first time ever, I saw a Los Angeles World Airports police car follow an EL AL 767 out of the gate down the taxiway. I asked an LAWA officer eating at the McDonalds in the International Terminal about it, and she said that its donw regularly in case there's a perimeter breach to the airport with a vehicle. This kind of makes sense, a car fully laden with explosives could ram a fence and position itself just under the plane while its taxiing and o a lot of damage.
I'm more taken aback by the ramp side body searches:
"The Bundesgrenzschutz fulfils this duty mainly
œ checking the flight passengers and their hand
luggage and checked-in luggage using qualified
trained staff and sophisticated aviation security
œ measures when objects are identified which
could cause danger, for example by seizing forbidden
objects such as weapons and ammunition
or by deactivating unconventional explosives
or incendiary devices
œ surveillance of the entire airport grounds,
œ carrying out protective measures for particularly
vulnerable flights and airlines (high-risk clearance)"
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12894 times:
Quoting LY7E7 (reply 12): Not, it is not done in Israel. The over all security level is higher, so there is no need in such measures. We also monitor who enters our country, unlike Germany for example.
I would not say the security level is higher in Israel - though you monitor your borders, suicide bombers cannot be stopped it seems.
The patrols by tank are totally ridiculous and make no sense at all. If some terrorists hide under some trees or elsewhere close to the airport fence they could still fire at the plane after turning onto the runway (with machine gun or Stingers), with or without tank. The tank is just "show" to increase the security impression for some people. A waste of money.
LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12848 times:
The troop carriers (not tanks) are there because the authorities are aware of the fact the perimeter security is not good enough in many European airports. Their main goal though is to protect pax boarding/disembarking the a/c. Leave that aside, they provide a deterrence factor. I really do not know how efficient they really are, yet as long as there are organizations that their main cause includes targeting Israeli facilities overseas I don't think there's really a choice.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12835 times:
"I dont understand what makes El Al so special as to require this 'special' treatment. I understand the whole terrorist thing but still. El Al is not special. Do they pay for these services or do they get it for free? I know in Munich they have their own terminal. I am tired of our western governments cowtowing to Israel this is just an example."
I notice your lack of comment on AA......what makes them so special??? To use your own logic, an awful lot of people are tired of governments kowtowing to the arrogance of Washington!
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31711 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12773 times:
EL AL When operates to Mumbai,Prior to Landing,An EL AL Security Vehicle Partols the Airport perimeter road [inside the Airport near the wall].
After the Aircraft touches down & proceeds to Taxi back,The Vehicle will accompany the Aircraft by driving down the perimeter road until it parks at its allotted stand.
JHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12751 times:
When trying to secure something you must address the different kinds of threats.
When performing a body search on the ramp staff, the idea is to prevent he/she from carrying explosives, knives or guns to or inside the plane. The threat of Stinger missiles cannot be met in this way.
The idea of using an armored vehicle is not necessarily to prevent missiles from hitting the plane but to be visible and to prevent people with personal firearms (including machine guns) from attacking or to stop any attack performed in this way.
The vehicle will be a visible sign that some sort of security exists around this plane. Of course not all the security around the plane will be visible. Hopefully some attackers will loose courage or maybe just hesitate a few seconds, giving the police valuable seconds.
The attack in East Africa showed that Israeli planes may have means of addressing missile attacks.
Next to that I'm pretty sure that the police and El Al/Israeli security has a number of other ways of addressing threats. Things they keep to themselves
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Boac707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12541 times:
El Al security world wide is a very no nonsense business. They are tenacious and very vigilant. I don't think I would class them as run off the mill security. From what I have seen, in most cases they are better trained than most police agencies.
I dont understand what makes El Al so special as to require this 'special' treatment.
Something about millions of people wishing to destroy their country ring a bell?
I understand the whole terrorist thing but still. El Al is not special. Do they pay for these services or do they get it for free? I know in Munich they have their own terminal.
El Al receives money from the Israeli government to pay for added security.
I am tired of our western governments cowtowing to Israel this is just an example.
How is this cowtowing to Israel?!!!!! American, Continental, and Delta all recieve the same security escort at ZRH as LY does because we have a common enemy. So please explain to me how this is cowtowing? LY is allowed to do whatever they want on their planes, and because of what they do, they are universally regarded as the safest airline in the world.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1742 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12446 times:
I have a different take on this. Since Switzerland is neutral, they never get to use their army. Someone mentioned that following a plane around is boring, I would think doing nothing is even more boring.
This gives the Swiss army something to do besides sharpening their pocket knives.
For those whining complainers about El Al receiving special treatment, remember that they have had three attacks on their ticket counters since 1985 when there were simultaneous attacks in Rome and Vienna, killing "innocent" people (innocent, in this case being not affiliated with Palestine or Israel).