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Ted On The Grow  
User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Contrary to the majority of this board's opinion, Ted is doing well.

At least that is according to UA, who have no incentive to misrepresent the case, especially with the hawkeye supervision and governance over a company seemingly in perpetual Chapter 11.

Ted will be growing from 47 to 56 planes (mainline conversions) to expand service our of DEN/ORD/IAD to Florida, the Caribbean, and Mexico.

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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Ted is needed to stop Frontier from siphoning off customers and to a lesser extent Southwest. They cannot retreat or that would cause serious problems in the future


short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Is Ted no-frills. Do you get a complimentary soft drink? I know even full service carriers in the States dont feed you so I wont even ask about food.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

I hear from UA people that Ted is doing well with the exception of Fort Lauderdale (FLL). Though the loads are good, there's too much competition driving down the fares. They'll likely reduce the number of flights to FLL after the spring break travel period. They say United is looking at Palm Beach (PBI) and Fort Meyers (RSW), not as alternatives to FLL but as new routes for Ted.

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting Orion737 (reply 2):
Is Ted no-frills. Do you get a complimentary soft drink? I know even full service carriers in the States dont feed you so I wont even ask about food.


Answer:
http://www.flyted.com


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

Oh those awful snack boxes rear their head again. They are a disgrace, a few bags of raisins or chips or pretzels described as a meal. Does any US carrier offer something hot on a domestic flight in Y?

Have all the ovens been ripped out of the galleys? They may as well have


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting UA744Flagship (reply 0):
Ted will be growing from 47 to 56 planes (mainline conversions) to expand service our of DEN/ORD/IAD to Florida, the Caribbean, and Mexico.


Good for them. Nice to hear this. I wish them much success.



One Nation Under God
User currently offlineSU From Russia, joined Apr 2004, 360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

I flu once with Ted and I loved it. Wish them to grow more and more...


"Life is too short to take it serious..."
User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting SU (reply 7):
I flu once with Ted and I loved it. Wish them to grow more and more...


Same here. I would love to see them go into RSW. Hopefully that would increase UA's minimal presence there due to the US codeshare. With the new terminal at RSW opening soon, Ted and WN could make that a much less expensive airport to get in and out of! Bottom line is, while I am glad to see Ted expanding, I hope that is supplemental growth rather than replacement.

-TJ


User currently offlineAirFRNT From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Ted is capitalizing on F9's discovery that international out of DEN is not a bad idea (F9 is building a nice little Mexican route system real fast). Other then that, it's UA under a different logo.

What you are seeing above is essentially branding. Ted still uses UA mechanics and UA infrastructure. This makes it really easy to cook the books, ie show Ted making a profit when some of the other expenses get eaten by other areas.

My guess is that Ted is a last ditch position for UA. It's something they can either rebrand too or something they can sell off in the future to make money and keep the main product alive.

If UA were able to trim there fleet significantly to one to three types of planes, I suspect that some of the paper revenue that Ted is making would turn into profit for UA.

Ted was launched with much fanfare here in DEN, but with the exception of the occasional article about UA / Ted in the newspaper, there is no real loyalty to it.

F9 on the other hand is impressively popular in colorado and it is severely out marketing UA at this point.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5076 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

Maybe Frontier should make another airline to compete with TED.


Names that come to mind;

1. FRO
2. TIER
3. FRONT
5. WHOLE
4. DIFFERENT
5. ANIMAL

Alright.... I tried! Let the flaming begin!



I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2383 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Oh those awful snack boxes rear their head again. They are a disgrace, a few bags of raisins or chips or pretzels described as a meal. Does any US carrier offer something hot on a domestic flight in Y?

Oh god lets not talk about European shorthaul. Given that many European airlines charge for non-alcoholic drinks, when not ONE U.S. airline does this practice. Lets not pick on this side of the Atlantic, when there is a lot to pick at over on your side.  Big grin

I know even full service carriers in the States don't feed you so I wont even ask about food.

Wrong! CO has hot meals on many flights domestically. Once again, get you facts straight before you go picking.



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26598 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Quoting Alberchico (reply 1):
Ted is needed to stop Frontier from siphoning off customers and to a lesser extent Southwest. They cannot retreat or that would cause serious problems in the future


UA and F9 actually function pretty synergistically in DEN because without F9 providing the "Southwest effect" traffic would likely not be as high as it is. The main issue is yields, not loads. Southwest has shown time and time again that they up everyone's passenger counts. It is up to the other carriers to run their operation in a better way.

Quoting Orion737 (reply 2):
Is Ted no-frills. Do you get a complimentary soft drink? I know even full service carriers in the States dont feed you so I wont even ask about food.


No-frills in the US always includes soft drinks and some small snack like peanuts, pretzels, etc. I liken it to this. In the US, we will accept less at the upper end (like international J/F) than will a european, but our minimum standards are higher. If cabotage were allowed and FR tried to open up in the US, they would have to change some of their practices to be acceptable to the US consumer.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

I've flown Ted now several times. First to PHX from ORD, I was in a middle seat in the back, which was no more uncomfortable than middle seat on any other airline.

Then I flew from ONT to DEn this time in an Economy plus window. It was very nice.

The BOB food offered is very good, and free cookies and drinks are offered if you don't go for a BOB meal.

Removal of the ovens on the Ted planes was a good idea. When you think that hot meals were only offered for dinner flights for the most part. Removing the extra weight of the ovens saves that much fuel on the flights.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

"At least that is according to UA, who have no incentive to misrepresent the case"

Are you kidding???? They have every incentive to misrepresent the fact that they are wasting time on money on a new paint scheme that offers no benefits.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (reply 14):
Are you kidding???? They have every incentive to misrepresent the fact that they are wasting time on money on a new paint scheme that offers no benefits.


No, I'm not joking.

It's crazy and inconceivable that any company would continue to spend money on such a venture if it offered absolutely no benefits, especially when it is under the overwatch of the bankruptcy court and at the mercy of its creditors.

Contrary to popular opinion, being in Ch 11 is not a fun thing. A company has a lot less flexibility and freedom to do as it wants.

So to assert that United is expanding Ted as a consipiracy theory because it is "ashamed" for an alleged past mistake on its investment is ludicrous.

Wake up.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4029 times:
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I note that some claim profitability for Ted.

Yet United lost more money in January 05 (Since Ted) than they did in Janaury 04 (Before Ted) and the price of fuel didn't account for all of the difference.

January should be a great month for the leisure destinations that Ted serves - Mexico and Florida, et al.

So if Ted was "profitable" - even operationally so - then mainline must have lost even more money in January.

Smoke and mirrors?

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting UA744Flagship (reply 15):
No, I'm not joking.


Don't waste your time with Maverick...

It's this simple. If Ted was losing money, would UA be expanding it?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3935 times:

"It's crazy and inconceivable that any company would continue to spend money on such a venture if it offered absolutely no benefits"

It probably does offer benefits but as I've said many times before, all of those benefits could have been achieved with something similar to Delta's Simplifares without any of the costs, confusion, and inefficiencies that Ted produces.

" If Ted was losing money, would UA be expanding it?"

The same reason Song, Delta Express, Metrojet, Continental Lite, United Shuttle, etc., were all expanded at one point in time or another. Remember WestPac's major expansion? What did that lead to? What about People Express? SABENA? I can go on....

If United ends up switching its entire domestic network over to Ted, I could see the benefit of this tomfoolery. Until then, Ted remains one of the dumbest p.o.s. in the history of aviation.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (reply 18):
If United ends up switching its entire domestic network over to Ted, I could see the benefit of this tomfoolery. Until then, Ted remains one of the dumbest p.o.s. in the history of aviation.


This is an example of why Maverick is running a major airline and not sitting on his computer commenting on those who do.

Oh! Wait...


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3907 times:

"Oh! Wait..."

Same could be said for those doting Ted fans that drank the koolaid...whats your point?  Yeah sure



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting Orion737 (reply 5):


Orion, I was on a flight yesterday on CO from Houston to LGA and I was served a hot meal. Nothing fancy- but it was such a nice change. Leaves soft spot for CO in my mind. They also came about the cabin at least 3 times on a 3 hour flight offering drinks. CO is quite a professional bunch and their planes are new too. Oh- one of my flights was on a wingleted 737.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26598 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (reply 13):
The BOB food offered is very good, and free cookies and drinks are offered if you don't go for a BOB meal.


Yeah, say that when one makes you sick  Pissed Also, they are nowhere near worth the $10. Just BIA (Buy In Airport) or BOTW (Buy On The Way)



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3656 times:

how do they manage to get an airplane at every UAL mainline route when a very big number of 737's left the fleet and 9 busses are going to ted?

User currently offlineFlyman33178 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

lets not forget they are also adding flights out of MDW!!
these flights are obviously there to combat ATA, Airtran, Frontier, and Southwest.


I flew them once from LAS-ORD. I enjoyed the flight...watched a movie...but had to pay $7.00 for a Bennigan's sandwich...

But at the end of the day...TED is still under United's infastructure....which
means it is still all one airline!!

I hope they continue to succeed!!


25 F9Animal : UA is showing their muscle alright! Can I hear another 300 million loss in the wind? Maybe UA should quit worrying about the LCC's, and focus on runn
26 UA772IAD : Typically, January is a low time for leisure travel. Think about it... the major holiday rush is over (Christmas-New Years), there are no holidays, o
27 FA4UA : FLAGSHIP, you yet again rock man! Orion 737 says: Oh those awful snack boxes rear their head again. They are a disgrace, a few bags of raisins or chip
28 Post contains images Galapagapop : Right now they may be wasting money but in the long run it will benefit them by either it being bought out or even better yet the creditors and lende
29 FriendlySkies : Unfortunately, in this day and age, worrying about the LCCs is part of running the airline. If the legacies had paid attention to the growing threat
30 Mariner : UA772IAD: January may not be the best month of the Flroida/Mexico winter season, but it sure as heck ain't bad. Or are you saying that Ted was not pro
31 UA772IAD : My appologies, I was talking about the month in general... especially compared to February or March, especially.
32 MaverickM11 : "there will less perks for fully paying customers, as DL will make room for more SF flyers. Perks such as upgrades for elite members will dissappear."
33 Lvkewlkid : One US Airline, Allegiant DOES charge for soft drinks.
34 Flashmeister : I still think its hilarious that the way that United competes with the LCC threat is to offer a 'no-frills' product that is less comfort than its comp
35 UA772IAD : I think that UA flyers farmiliar with no upgrades on TED and would expect that. Eyeballing their route map, there isn't a TED flight that lasts more t
36 Post contains images FriendlySkies : I'd like to revise your question. How many other carriers in the domestic US offer that upgrade. Most European carriers offer it I believe.
37 MaverickM11 : "I think that UA flyers farmiliar with no upgrades on TED and would expect that. " Problem is noone is familiar with what route is Ted and what is UA
38 StevenUhl777 : Contrary to the majority of this board's opinion, Ted is doing well That can't be!. Ted sucks! United sucks! United is going bankrupt! United will go
39 Azul320 : I flew TED into Denver in January and I was really impressed. Even better than Jetblue who I think they are trying to immitate. The crews were younger
40 Galapagapop : Lightning never stikes twice.....[Edited 2005-03-03 05:33:46]
41 Mariner : Oh, Steven... We don't all hate United, and we aren't all ignorant. There is a difference between bashing - or cheering - United and facing certain fa
42 Quickmover : " flew TED into Denver in January and I was really impressed. Even better than Jetblue who I think they are trying to imitate. The crews were younger
43 Aa777jr : It's this simple. If Ted was losing money, would UA be expanding it? Just like UA is knee deep in debt, yet they continue to expand. Your theory makes
44 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : Oh, Steven... We don't all hate United, and we aren't all ignorant. There is a difference between bashing - or cheering - United and facing certain fa
45 MaverickM11 : "Ignorant United haters of A-net" Let me be very clear. I love United. I HATE Ted.
46 MSYtristar : I for one wish Ted to be a success. I have never been one to hope for any airline entity (well, with the brief exception being DL right after the Pan
47 JCS17 : First of all, let me say that I like United Airlines. They have one of the best FFPs out there right now and their staff is second to none. In fact, I
48 StevenUhl777 : What I don't understand is this. Why create an entirely new product? - Try to recapture some lost business to other LCC's - Attempt to capitalize on s
49 Mariner : Steven: Yes, and yes. I used to live near Santa Rosa (Guerneville/Russian River) and have now moved to New Zealand. As to Ted, the original plan for S
50 PVG : JCS17: I'm also 1K and understand your comments. But, there obviously are not enough business people willing to pay 1st class fares where they can jus
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