Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13323 times:
I know the Tristar and DC10 had below deck galleys and I always thought what an innovative idea they were. Cabin crews appreciated the extra working space and it freed up more of the main cabin for seats.
Why therefore have neither Boeing or Airbus provided or offered a below deck galley on their long-haul aircraft?
Has any other aircraft other than the L1011 and DC10 had underfloor galleys?
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13278 times:
I think most airlines prefer to use the lower deck to carry as much cargo as possible rather than sacrifice the space for toilets and/or crew restrooms. I know that before BA quit KUL, they configured some of their B772ERs with lower deck crew restrooms (not sure if this is still the case now).
ACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13146 times:
Quoting Orion737 (reply 9): Hey stop hijacking my thread. I wanted to talk about downstairs galleys or lack of them.
The reason there is no galley downstairs is because food and carts would have to be moved up and down. This requires an elevator lift of some kind. A lift is cumbersome to use, adds cost, adds weight, wastes time, wastes space, and if it breaks down, the FAs have to carry meal trays up and down the stairs.
Freddie Laker ... May be at peace with his maker ... But he is a persona non grata ... with IATA
Eh probably too much weight, and the celing high is rather low. The walls also slant inward very steeply. The 747 also has above-deck crew rest, and the 747-Adv might have an optional "personal cabin" area for F class passengers.
Quoting ACAfan (reply 8): Hey stop hijacking my thread. I wanted to talk about downstairs galleys or lack of them.
Well... we have:
- There are better ways to utilize revenue area
- They are not well-loved by some crews
Supa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12965 times:
Revenue suites would be a great idea! Hard to certify, but using the looong above-deck space for sleepers could be highly desirable. I always say that 1000+ people could fit into a 747 fuselage IF the space were used efficiently.
All the rules about "safety" (largely a joke IMO) add up to a large increase in cost and environmental impact due to under-loaded jet aircraft.
Rtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12675 times:
BA did have crew rest compartments fitted into the cargo hold on some a/c but they were only temporary until the overhead crew-rest areas were fitted. The problem with them is that they take up cargo room whereas the overhead space is normally 'wasted'. I believe that all the cargo hold crew-rest compartments have now gone.
Icaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12585 times:
In IB's A346's we have the usual galleys in the main cabin, but we have a fix Crew Rest Area on the lower deck at the rear of the aircraft. It occupies part of the last cargo compartment where no LCD's can fit, so no much cargo space involved.
On the A343's we have a Mobile Crew Rest Area in the lower deck, but it is not fix. It is only boarded on flights longer than 12 hours.
In my opinion rear galleys must be a nightmare, having to use lifts all the time. I think it would make service slower.
Neednewairport From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12234 times:
I loved the lower deck galley's on the dc10's. That was my favorite position to work because you were "out of the line of fire" Put my tunes on and cook a couple hunndred meals......plus we got a buck more an hour for working down there......and......here is a secret, we (the F/A's) smoked down there.
: It will be VERY interesting to see how airlines implement the galley areas on the A380-800, especially with a full-length upper deck.
: F/A's have also been known to sleep off a hang over below deck.
: Lufthansa has crew rest on the A343 down below.
: Airlines make more money from cargo than they do from two or three rows of economy seats that they would be able to place on the upper deck if the gal
: VS have mid-cabin, below-wing crew rest pods on A-340-300/600s, and above-cabin pods located beneath the veritcal tail fin on the 747-400s. VSM
: When I worked with Pan Am (on charters) and ATA Tristars at LGW the crew told me that the downstairs galley was not a good idea. Basically if the lift
: Yes DLH has Lower Deck Facilities: Cabin rest area, galley and restrooms. See pictures above.
: UA still has the lower deck crew rests as they cannot afford to do the conversion as of yet. >Furthermore, lower deck galleys require elevators (L101
: Why not put passenger seats up there? pax egress issues require wasting more space than you gain. 747-Adv might have an optional "personal cabin" area
: As far as the galleys in the Tristar go, this is what I remember from TWAs, when I was able to go down there during a flight. If the lifts became inop
: Originally, the initial wide bodied commerical transports had interiors with a number of amenities, relatively large seating pitches and lower level g
: On Qantas B744ERs, they dont have below cabin galley anymore. I am not sure whether they have enough food to serve pax because they have two choices o