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Why No Below Cabin Galleys On Modern Widebodies?  
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

I know the Tristar and DC10 had below deck galleys and I always thought what an innovative idea they were. Cabin crews appreciated the extra working space and it freed up more of the main cabin for seats.

Why therefore have neither Boeing or Airbus provided or offered a below deck galley on their long-haul aircraft?

Has any other aircraft other than the L1011 and DC10 had underfloor galleys?

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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12243 times:

There are A330's with downstairs toilets......


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12242 times:

I think most airlines prefer to use the lower deck to carry as much cargo as possible rather than sacrifice the space for toilets and/or crew restrooms. I know that before BA quit KUL, they configured some of their B772ERs with lower deck crew restrooms (not sure if this is still the case now).

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12239 times:

If you can put revenue cargo down-below... then why waste the space with a gally? Same reason Boeing now offers an above-deck crew rest area, you want to maximize revenue area to the extreme.

User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12215 times:

What does the above deck crew rest area look like on the 777?


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12186 times:

The downstairs galleys were very popular on the DC10 and Tristar and moving some of the galley downstairs provided extra seating in the cabin = increased revenues!

I know some 330s had downstairs toilets but I wanted to know specifically about downstairs galleys accesible by lifts


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

Quoting ACAfan (reply 4):
What does the above deck crew rest area look like on the 777?


Information here -

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/osu/



User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12161 times:

Quoting Orion737 (reply 5):
The downstairs galleys were very popular on the DC10 and Tristar and moving some of the galley downstairs provided extra seating in the cabin


Actually they were a nightmare for flight crews. I know at DL there were very few F/A's that wanted to work the lower galleys on the L10.



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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Thanks.

What's the ceiling height for the crew rest area?
Why not put passenger seats up there?



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Hey stop hijacking my thread. I wanted to talk about downstairs galleys or lack of them.

User currently offlineFoxy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12120 times:

I thought the A346 had a downstairs galley?

User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

Quoting Orion737 (reply 9):
Hey stop hijacking my thread. I wanted to talk about downstairs galleys or lack of them.


The reason there is no galley downstairs is because food and carts would have to be moved up and down. This requires an elevator lift of some kind. A lift is cumbersome to use, adds cost, adds weight, wastes time, wastes space, and if it breaks down, the FAs have to carry meal trays up and down the stairs.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

Quoting ACAfan (reply 8):
Why not put passenger seats up there?


Eh probably too much weight, and the celing high is rather low. The walls also slant inward very steeply. The 747 also has above-deck crew rest, and the 747-Adv might have an optional "personal cabin" area for F class passengers.

Quoting ACAfan (reply 8):
Hey stop hijacking my thread. I wanted to talk about downstairs galleys or lack of them.


Well... we have:

- There are better ways to utilize revenue area
- They are not well-loved by some crews


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12090 times:

Does the A346 really have a downstairs galley? If it does thats cool, I wanna go down there. If so does it have lifts, like the old Tristar had?

Funny if they were such a bad idea .At the time of their inception on the Tristar and DC10 they were seen as very useful inovations allowing more space in the cabin for seating.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12074 times:

Quoting Orion737 (reply 9):
I wanted to talk about downstairs galleys or lack of them


They don't need them, how much "Galley" do you need to store BOB boxes of food . . .


User currently offlineFoxy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12060 times:

Lufthansa certainly have them on the A346


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12010 times:

Great, a modern downstairs galley with lifts. If I were cabin crew I would love to cram into them tiny lifts and go up and down to that galley!

I wonder if any other A346 operators like IB have them?


User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11966 times:

I believe that older 747s had them also. Didn't have the elevator that went from the very bottom to the very top to shuttle food and drinks around?

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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11929 times:

Revenue suites would be a great idea! Hard to certify, but using the looong above-deck space for sleepers could be highly desirable. I always say that 1000+ people could fit into a 747 fuselage IF the space were used efficiently.

All the rules about "safety" (largely a joke IMO) add up to a large increase in cost and environmental impact due to under-loaded jet aircraft.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11664 times:

Quoting Orion737 (reply 0):
Why therefore have neither Boeing or Airbus provided or offered a below deck galley on their long-haul aircraft?


Cargo revenue, pure and simple.



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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11645 times:

some of the old PanAm 747's had them when i worked for them
They didnt go all the way to the upper deck though as stated as they were
mid ship


User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11639 times:

BA did have crew rest compartments fitted into the cargo hold on some a/c but they were only temporary until the overhead crew-rest areas were fitted. The problem with them is that they take up cargo room whereas the overhead space is normally 'wasted'. I believe that all the cargo hold crew-rest compartments have now gone.

User currently offlineIcaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11549 times:

Hi all,

In IB's A346's we have the usual galleys in the main cabin, but we have a fix Crew Rest Area on the lower deck at the rear of the aircraft. It occupies part of the last cargo compartment where no LCD's can fit, so no much cargo space involved.
On the A343's we have a Mobile Crew Rest Area in the lower deck, but it is not fix. It is only boarded on flights longer than 12 hours.
In my opinion rear galleys must be a nightmare, having to use lifts all the time. I think it would make service slower.


User currently offlineDl_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11407 times:

Quoting KhenleyDIA (reply 17):
I believe that older 747s had them also.

AA,UA and QF had them on the Classics



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User currently offlineNeednewairport From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11198 times:

I loved the lower deck galley's on the dc10's. That was my favorite position to work because you were "out of the line of fire" Put my tunes on and cook a couple hunndred meals......plus we got a buck more an hour for working down there......and......here is a secret, we (the F/A's) smoked down there.

25 Post contains images RayChuang : It will be VERY interesting to see how airlines implement the galley areas on the A380-800, especially with a full-length upper deck.
26 IGUY : F/A's have also been known to sleep off a hang over below deck.
27 Wdleiser : Lufthansa has crew rest on the A343 down below.
28 FlyMeToTheMoon : Airlines make more money from cargo than they do from two or three rows of economy seats that they would be able to place on the upper deck if the gal
29 VSMike : VS have mid-cabin, below-wing crew rest pods on A-340-300/600s, and above-cabin pods located beneath the veritcal tail fin on the 747-400s. VSM
30 Babybus : When I worked with Pan Am (on charters) and ATA Tristars at LGW the crew told me that the downstairs galley was not a good idea. Basically if the lift
31 Buslover : Yes DLH has Lower Deck Facilities: Cabin rest area, galley and restrooms. See pictures above.
32 N1120A : UA still has the lower deck crew rests as they cannot afford to do the conversion as of yet. >Furthermore, lower deck galleys require elevators (L101
33 Tod : Why not put passenger seats up there? pax egress issues require wasting more space than you gain. 747-Adv might have an optional "personal cabin" area
34 JetboyTWA : As far as the galleys in the Tristar go, this is what I remember from TWAs, when I was able to go down there during a flight. If the lifts became inop
35 Broke : Originally, the initial wide bodied commerical transports had interiors with a number of amenities, relatively large seating pitches and lower level g
36 FlyboyOz : On Qantas B744ERs, they dont have below cabin galley anymore. I am not sure whether they have enough food to serve pax because they have two choices o
37 Post contains links and images AA777223ER : View Large View MediumPhoto © Arjen Sas View Large View MediumPhoto © Sam star View Large View MediumPhoto © R. W. Whitlock View Large
38 777gk : Continental never really took to the concept of below-deck galleys, and accordingly all of our DC-10-10s (that we ordered) were delivered with main-de
39 CRJ900 : It must take forever to restock the lower galley on LH's A346 if all those carts and ATLAS boxes can only be put in place via the cart lift? Does LH h
40 POR2GAL : Ahh, menage-a-trois heaven!
41 Post contains images RampRat74 : I hated working the DC-10's we had. It took so long to load the carts on the cargo loader. Most of the cart doors would fly open when they were moving
42 Pogo : MU China Eastern also have this crew rest area on their A346's, it is located where the bulk hold would be on an A343.
43 Post contains images TeamREGAL : I'm sure a lot us were thinking the same thing... REGAL
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