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User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

LAN just posted 2004 results $163M profit and in the report they talk about new aircraft, but they don't talk about the pending A340 orders with Airbus that should be deliver this year.

"During the fourth quarter of 2004, LAN incorporated one leased Boeing 767-300 and two new leased Airbus A319 aircraft. In 2005, the Company expects to incorporate three leased Boeing 767-300 passenger aircraft, two new Boeing 767-300 freighters and two new Airbus A319s"

Any one knows if they cancel the orders or what ?

Thanks

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User currently offlinePrm1fan From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

According to LAN last year, the first A340 is due for delivery in November 2006, and the second in November 2008

User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting Prm1fan (reply 1):


LAN bought 7 A340, 4 are already in the fleet and the other two should be delivered in Jun 2005 and March 2006.
What surprise me, is the fact that they are not mentioned in the report.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

There was talk about them pulling an SQ-espue swap for 777's. Sounds unlikely to me though.

User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting RJ111 (reply 3):
There was talk about them pulling an SQ-espue swap for 777's. Sounds unlikely to me though.

I wouldn't be surprised if the change their A340 for 777s. They have always like Boeing and most of their medium to long range is done with 767-300s.
WOW just love the idea of flying the 777 to AKL and SYD form SCL.
Go LAN


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4817 times:
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Quoting Flyfirst (reply 0):
the Company expects to incorporate three leased Boeing 767-300 passenger aircraft, two new Boeing 767-300 freighters and two new Airbus A319s


Hello, I saw an article earlier this year and it was similar in nature to the report you post. It did however allude to LAN as being the "UFO" Customer for the 3 763 and 1 763F that were ordered late last year (12th Nov). They had already purchased 2 763F as UFO (6th May) that has been changed to 3, despite one being ordered on the 12th Nov '04. So, my question, could it be that LAN was the UFO order for the 4 763s late last year and these are the aircraft they mention?

Regards



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User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4784 times:

A 777 all the way across the most isolated part of the pacific? I think not. On the deep south routes (South America to Australasia and Australiasia to Southern Africa) the flights can be up to 5 hours from the nearest diversion point.

Way to go LAN! Good to see a quality airline growing. It's definitely got the most sophisticated and up market product in all of north and south America.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

LAN used to fly 763s to AKL and SYD so they should be able to fly the 777 there as well. I think LA wanted to trade their 343s to Boeing but Boeing wasn't interested. It seems that LA is very dissappointed with the 343s and therefore the delays of delivery of the fifth and sixth 343s.

I think LA will be one of the next customers for the 787 that will replace the older 763s and possibly 343s as well.

The777Man



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4186 posts, RR: 89
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4509 times:
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Quoting The777Man (reply 7):
I think LA will be one of the next customers for the 787 that will replace the older 763s and possibly 343s as well


Hi The777Man

Boeing's Mr Baseler was asked whether LAN were a potential 787 customer yesterday and here is his response...

He declined to comment to a question if Boeing is in talks with LAN Airlines SA. But then went on to say "As far as timing is concerned, I don't know but we would expect that some of the Latin American carriers would obviously see a need for this kind of airplane because it's perfect in size for them"

Read into it what you will but he appears to have said no, whilst not exactly closing the door.

Regards



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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting The777Man (reply 7):
LAN used to fly 763s to AKL and SYD


Um no they didn't. They fly them to Easter Island and PPT but they never flew to AKL and SYD. I have heard the 777 thing about them but weather they trade the A343's for 772's remains to be seen. To me the A343 suits LAN quite well, weather they are happy with them I am not sure.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9897 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Wouldn't the A350 be interesting for LAN as replacement for both their A340-300 and 767-300ER fleet? The A350 will offer LAN almost the same advantages as the 787 would give them. The range between these two aircraft will be almost the same, the technologies would also be close to each other. The economics of both aircraft are things we just don't know yet.

In any case it would seem more logical for LAN to stay either with Airbus or Boeing. Boeing becomes a much bigger threat once Boeing launches the proposed 737 replacement aircraft, which will be based on technologies used on the 787. Boeing will become a real threat to Airbus once they also offer a complete range of aircraft types with full commonality, like Airbus has now with their aircraft family range.

Saludos,

A388


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

ZK-NBT; you are probably correct but what aircraft did LA fly to AKL prior to the 343 ?

PANAM_DC10: Thanks for the info! I'm not sure what to make of that comment. Usually when they decline to comment, that means that they actually ARE negotiating.....but the second part was a bit more vague.

The777Man



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2409 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Quoting Flyfirst (reply 2):
LAN bought 7 A340, 4 are already in the fleet and the other two should be delivered in Jun 2005 and March 2006.


Remember that one of those seven was cjanged for two 320s after the demand contraction in 9-11, so there were only 6 left

Quoting Prm1fan (reply 1):
According to LAN last year, the first A340 is due for delivery in November 2006, and the second in November 2008


Actually I heard this year was supposed to receive one of them. Otherwise, how do you increase flights to Australia with 4 340s without affecting MAD, LAX and EZE that also receive daily 340s?

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (reply 8):
Boeing's Mr Baseler was asked whether LAN were a potential 787 customer yesterday and here is his response


LAN is actually the 11th largest operator of 763s in the world, and if I remember correctly the largest in Latin America. This has to be considered in Boeing plans. But remember that Airbus was very smart negotiating with LAN the 340s and 320s, so it won't be an easy decision.

Quoting ZK-NBT (reply 9):
LAN quite well, weather they are happy with them I am not sure.


I don't see LAN getting rid od the 340s for their route to Australia, but they can suit a 777 in Europe-USA. I would love they idea, but I think Airbus would give first a free 340 before to allow an airline to give the message to the world: "I used a 340 and I chancged for a 777 cause it's much better!).

Let's hope we see more and more Boeing in LAN's fleet.

Another point; if LAN opens LAN Argentina, I think they will demand more widebodies for EZE-MAD, EZE-MIA, etc. What would LAN do? Maybe to clean some of the UA 744s parked in the desert? It would be gorgeous, wouldn't it?

Regards )( Arcano



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Arcano:

Quoting Arcano (reply 12):
LAN is actually the 11th largest operator of 763s in the world, and if I remember correctly the largest in Latin America.


Lejos! In fact, I think LAN operate more 763s than AM, AV, A4, LB, MX, PU, RG and BRA combined!

Saludos,

ZXV

[Edited 2005-03-07 02:28:17]


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

LAN has 18 active B767s I believe.

Quoting LVZXV (reply 13):
Lejos! In fact, I think LAN operate more 763s than AM, AV, A4, LB, MX, PU and BRA combined!


Don't want to sound like I'm putting LA down or anything, but BRA has 1 767...

Saludos,

PPVRA



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

AV also has only one 763 (N948AV)


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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

B767s in LATAM:

18 LAN (15P/3F)
07 Varig
06 AeroMexico
05 Avianca
03 Tampa
03 Mas Air
02 LAB
01 Mexicana
01 Absa
01 BRA
01 Pluna

48: Total LATAM
30: Total rest of LATAM w/o LA.

Total LAN: 15 pax + 3 Cargo + 3 Leased to MY/Absa

Ricardo APM



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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7261 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (reply 9):
Um no they didn't. They fly them to Easter Island and PPT but they never flew to AKL and SYD.


I'm not sure, but I think LA used to operate to AKL way back in the late 70s - early 80s. Could well have been 707s, but will have to check that too.. There have certainly been LA 762s/763s to AKL in the 90s, I've seen the pics but they were charters I believe.


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

LA didn't used to operate to AKL until it started the 340 service. They took over the route when QF withdrew its direct SYD-AKL-BUE services. Previously the closest LA had come with scheduled services was the already mentioned island hopping SCL-Easter Island-Tahiti route. That just falls within ETOPS requirements and is very isolated as well.

Previously they flew the odd plane through on proving routes and they also picked up some ex Air NZ DC10's in the earky 80's. Aerolineas was the first airline to fly the Australasia/South America direct route, with 747's in the late 1970's/early 1980's (temporarily halted due to the Falkands war, us lot being on Her Majesty's side) and QF joined for a short while with 744's in the late 1990's.

777Man, my comments about 777 is not another A V B thread, as I'd feel the same in an A330 flying on such isolated routes. The great circle mapper clearly shows that the deep south routes go well beyond 180 min and 240 min ETOPS.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2409 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (reply 17):
I'm not sure, but I think LA used to operate to AKL way back in the late 70s - early 80s


Not really, there was one promotional flight PUQ-SYD, but only for marketing (707), regular service it's new, as posted

Regards )(



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3797 times:

I would love to see LAN order the 777 or the 787. I think the 777 would be great for their MIA, MAD, FRT & JFK Routes. While the 787 would be great for flights to Latin American Capitals and in between SCL & EZE. Although the 787 would be great also for MIA because they could fly multiple 787's daily into MIA, as they do now w/ the 763's. As well all know, LAN operates to Bogota, Punta Cana, Caracas, Quito, Lima and of course Santiago out of MIA.

I too agree than LAN is indeed is one of the biggest 763 operators. At MIA, sometimes you think LAN has a hub there; with the wide array of 763's heading to South America, both passenger and freight versions.



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

Ghost77:

I was only counting 763s, in which case LAN's fleet is only matched by combining all other Latin American 763s outside of Chile. As you rightly illustrated, a number of 762s also operate in the region.

BTW, does AM still have only one 763 or have they added another?

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2409 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting PPVRA (reply 14):
putting LA down or anything, but BRA has 1 767...


Sorry to ask, but what is "BRA"???



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting Arcano (reply 22):
Sorry to ask, but what is "BRA"???


No problem, please ask anything I'll be more than happy to help with what I can.

Well, right now they are just a charter airline. "BRA" stands for Brasil Rodo Aereo and they operate a fleet of one B763 (mostly European charters), and eight 737s, -300s and -400s.


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After much pressure from DAC (Brazilian Civil Aviation Department) for them to become a regular scheduled airline, combined with VP's demise, they decided to enter the LCC market and go head to head with GOL... Certainly interesting to see what will happen, IMO.

They are/were part of Varig, but I don't know much about that affiliation (maybe some one could shed some light on the subject?).

Saludos,

PPVRA

Edit: Typo

[Edited 2005-03-08 02:48:32]


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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2409 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting PPVRA (reply 23):
please ask anything I'll be more than happy to help with what I can.



Thanks pal! I'll take your word when needed!!!!

Another question.

I flew today, and I saw a Southern Winds 767 parket at LAN hangar. Does anybody know if LAN just got another 767 from them, or it was an actuall A4 763 parked in SCL?

Regards )(



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25 Ghost77 : LVZXV, Oh I thought you were counting B762s also! Well if it wasn't for MEX or BOG high altitude I'm sure AM and AV would operate an all B763 fleet ju
26 The777Man : My mistake; I thought LA flew to AKL as an extension of the PPT service. Nice that LA have expanded to AKL and SYD in the last few years. The777Man
27 Hardiwv : BRA operated some charters for Varig's Rotatur, Varig's charter airline. Currently Rotatur has an operational agreement with Lisbon-based EuroAtlanti
28 757MDE : Yes, AV has 5 767s.... 4 762s and one single 763 as I said. As a little correction, Tampa Cargo has 4 767s. The fourth one, N770QT arrived some days
29 Hardiwv : Indeed, RG's VarigLog was responsible for the conversation of the B767 into cargo in its POA maintenance facility. Rgs,
30 PPVRA : Thanks for the info Hardi. There are some conflicting info about their fleet on the web, so I wasn't sure exactly how many 737s they have. Indeed, the
31 Hardiwv : PPVRA: As you said, BRA's fleet on the web has inacurate info. Sorry, I have to correct my post: VEM (Varig Engineering and Maintenance) was responsib
32 Post contains links and images LVZXV : Hola Arcano! What you saw was A4's sole B763 "Don Bosco" (LV-AIX), undergoing heavy mainteance since the last week of February. Word had it that she w
33 757MDE : Wasn't it converted in Tel Aviv like the other 3? Didn't know that, I thought Porto Alegre was just a stop from the delivery (which usually was via A
34 Arcano : ZXV: I actually saw the tail; I'll be back in SCL on thursday. I'll try to look better! Regards from CCP )(
35 RJ_Delta : This Year LAN will introduce 3 A319-100, 3 767-300ER (lease) and 2 new 767-300Freighter. This year LAN will not receive A340, and there studying a new
36 PPVRA : VEM has a partnership with IAI (Israel Aircraft Industry) for 767 conversions. Only the conversion are made in POA, the parts are made/shipped from I
37 Post contains links Hardiwv : PPVRA, you are correct. IAI has a partnership agreement with RG's VEM and convertions are performed in POA. 757MDE: This is the press-release: http:/
38 Flyfirst : We all know that there are many rumors about LAN switching to 777s from A340s. What do you know ? Thanks.
39 757MDE : Ok, but it was the fourth one only because the other three came straight from Tel Aviv via Amsterdam. If the other three were converted in Brazil the
40 Hardiwv : The information I have is that the other three were also converted by RG's VEM in POA. VEM-IAI agreement dates December/03 and the first B767 was con
41 Ogre727 : Hi guys, Just a question on the 767s, I flew one to Punta Arenas in december and each seat had its own entertanment system. I flew back on another 767
42 Arcano : about half of them; all listed by registration in some past A.net thread... regards from CCP airport, waiting for my 737 to carry me home...
43 Arcano : ZXV: Yesterday I took a second look (actually from the air while approaching to the runway) and it was the one without the blue belly; the white one.
44 757MDE : Yes, I'm just saying that if some Aircraft that is to operate in Colombia is converted in Brazil, then it's weird for it to be delivered via the Neth
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