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Continental Being Called "World's Largest Airline"  
User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

While most of the articles have been corrected, why is Continental frequently being incorrectly referred to as the "World's Largest Airline" by reputable newspapers?

Has anyone else noticed these frequent mistakes?



Luke


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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10770 times:

I believe the Continental has the most international destinations of any US carrier. No, they are not the "world's largest airline" by any means, but that could be the source of the mistake.

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

I believe American Airlines is the world's largest airline or am I incorrect?


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User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10483 times:

Yes, American Airlines is the World's largest airline.


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User currently offlineChris From Canada, joined May 1999, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

The term "Largest Airline" is somewhat confusing. Some would consider the largest airline would be the airline that flies to the most cities while others would base it on the number of aircraft in their fleet.

Chris


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10304 times:

http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/fleetage.htm

Continental is not the biggest airline. They do have a large int route structure but I'm not sure if they are the biggest int provider.


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

I have never read anything that referred to CO as the world's largest airline. Where are you reading such things?


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

I see mistakes like this all the time. Just the other day, USA Today was claiming that B6 was operating 160 A320s.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10166 times:

CO serves more International Destinations than any other US carrier, possibly more International airports than any other carrier.


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

Could you give us a few of the places that CO has been mentioned as the "world's largest airline." I do not recall ever seeing that reference to CO.

User currently offlineRDUCO From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

Which papers? We do have the most intl cty svc with 120 by jun 05. However, with the offical measuring stick we only are 5th in US, and 7th in the world.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (reply 5):
They do have a large int route structure but I'm not sure if they are the biggest int provider.


CO does have more MX flts then any other carrier (us & mx). With the addition of Berlin, Bristol. Stockholm, Hamburg, and Belfast (summer 05) they will have more flts to Europe than any other airline. The only us airline flying to Africa (summer 05). The 3th largest carrier to Asia from the us. And, the rumor is that more intl cities are to be announce.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

the question comes down to the world's largest airline in terms of "what?" Passengers, cities, jets, destinations, etc.?


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User currently offlineViveLeYHZ From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 194 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10008 times:

What does large in "largest airline in the world" stand for ? I guess one can ask the same about airports; ORD vs. ATL, movement vs pax.

Here is an example where CO is the largest airline in the world:

"CO is the largest airline in the world with non-stop flights between YHZ and EWR", which is true since they are the only ones flying this route non-stop.

But I would still like someone to shed some light on why AA is the largest airline in the world and UA is second ???

Cheers,
ViveLeYHZ


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9949 times:

Quoting RDUCO (reply 10):
With the addition of Berlin, Bristol. Stockholm, Hamburg, and Belfast (summer 05) they will have more flts to Europe than any other airline.


More 752's over the pond than any other airline!  Big grin



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User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9929 times:

Quoting ViveLeYHZ (reply 12):
But I would still like someone to shed some light on why AA is the largest airline in the world and UA is second ???


Total Passengers and Aircraft come to mind



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User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9916 times:

Yea, I saw a news report on TV that had the 744 only carrying up to 400 people and the A380 at around 500-550.
It was such a joke . . . WB11 news in NY.
SR



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User currently offlineRDUCO From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9871 times:

Quoting Brons2 (reply 13):
More 752's over the pond than any other airline!


we love those 752 (coming soon with winglets)



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9854 times:

What's the comparison between AA and the AF/ KL mergco?


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User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9715 times:

I have never read anything that referred to CO as the world's largest airline. Where are you reading such things?


Yeah, I've never read it either. Care to give an example?



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9586 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (reply 17):
What's the comparison between AA and the AF/ KL mergco?


AA will remain larger, as will UA. I believe the AF/KLM will come in around 5th or 6th.

In terms of $$, then Southwest Airlines is the richest in the world: their liquitable credit is equivelent to Singapore Airlines plus an American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta, and Contiental thrown in for good measure  Wink


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9527 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (reply 19):
Quoting OzGlobal (reply 17):
What's the comparison between AA and the AF/ KL mergco?


AA will remain larger, as will UA. I believe the AF/KLM will come in around 5th or 6th.

In terms of $$, then Southwest Airlines is the richest in the world: their liquitable credit is equivelent to Singapore Airlines plus an American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta, and Contiental thrown in for good measure


Most of those US carriers (AA, UA and DL) are bankrupt. They can't be that 'rich'.

I heard AF/KL was neck and neck with AA in 'size'. Will have to find out how that is being measured. Can I have your source for the 5th/6th placing?



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9486 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (reply 20):
Most of those US carriers (AA, UA and DL) are bankrupt. They can't be that 'rich'


Really when did the above airlines go bankrupt? Last time I checked AA was still holding its head above water. And yes they can be that rich!!!



Quoting OzGlobal (reply 20):
I heard AF/KL was neck and neck with AA in 'size'.


You heard wrong.



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9232 times:

Well, they are the largest airline, duh!

That is...largest passenger airline with a golden globe against a blue background and a grey bottom and light gold stripe  Wink

Anthony


User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Largest? nah... CO flies 737's everywhere... EWR-west coast 737's all day!!! this must be a joke!!! Their "BIG" planes they save for Europe!!  Silly
People must be talking about their 20 stop "direct" service in micronesia... Its like southwest going international...



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8777 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (reply 20):
Most of those US carriers (AA, UA and DL) are bankrupt. They can't be that 'rich'.


Actually none of them are bankrupt.  Wink

UA, AA, DL all have millions and billions of dollars in cash, but United Airlines has declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

This basically says: we still have money, but if we don't reorganize and turn-around now, then we will be destitute. Ch11 gives UA more leverage and breathing-room in which to continue opperations and negotiate with creditors and unions. A federally appointed judge monitors and approves/vetos major business decisions to ensure they aren't screwing people over.

AA and DL have not declared Ch. 11

Quoting OzGlobal (reply 20):

I heard AF/KL was neck and neck with AA in 'size'.


Certainly not in terms of fleet size or network capacity.

Quoting OzGlobal (reply 20):
Can I have your source for the 5th/6th placing?


Look at how many seats they fly, not a challenging stat to look up.


25 Starlionblue : AA will remain larger, as will UA. I believe the AF/KLM will come in around 5th or 6th. That's in terms of fleet size. In terms of pax carried I belie
26 Galapagapop : Doesn't mean anything due to the fact larger planes due more intl ops and are rarely and especially in AF's case doing flts less 3 hours. Only Asian
27 Post contains links AAFLT1871 : Ask and you shall recieve my friend http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1987162/
28 Meteorologist : Doesn't any US carrier serve Cairo anymore? I know TW did before its demise.[Edited 2005-03-04 09:42:10]
29 MAH4546 : American Airlines and Delta both ended service to Cairo in September 2001. Delta ended it after September 11th, but AA announced the service (which w
30 FlyinTLow : I dont think CO can be referred to the largest airline in the world by any means: international routes: take a look at any european airline, and you w
31 Galapagapop : Right after I had remembered that from 2 years ago there is the thread..... Crazy!
32 OzGlobal : Explain again why the number of passengers carried isn't important...?
33 Cornish : OK - some official IATA stats - reported to me -directly by the airlines themselves. They're for 03 unfortunately as I don't work there any more, but
34 Post contains images DAYflyer : Another criteria some use is number of passengers flown. But even here, CO is well short of many other airlines. I guess it just goes to show you tha
35 Backfire : Actually none of them are bankrupt. UA, AA, DL all have millions and billions of dollars in cash, but United Airlines has declared Chapter 11 bankrupt
36 Post contains images Wjcandee : "You are bankrupt if you do not have enough money to cover your total debts and liabilities should all your creditors demand their money." Well... ...
37 Junction : Every press release issued by Continental Airlines has the following quote attached to the end: “Continental Airlines is the world's sixth-largest a
38 Alphascan : It amazes me that on this board nobody in the first 35 posts points out that the traditional way of measuring an airline's size is number of revenue p
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