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CO Axing HOU  
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4027 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
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well even the added EWR flight scheduled for this summer wont be around. Asof April 3, we are closing up shop in HOU......again.


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

It was a good idea in theory - but I guess Continental's loyal Houston-area passengers are attracted to the larger flight schedule and more options at IAH over the convience of HOU.



N670UW


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Ironic, huh? WN pulls its last flights out of IAH, and CO pulls its last flights out of HOU!!


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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (reply 2):
Ironic, huh? WN pulls its last flights out of IAH, and CO pulls its last flights out of HOU!!


A "gentlemen's agreement" of some sort?


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

I was skeptical when CO began flights to EWR and CLE last year from HOU. A little voice told me that these flights would not pan out at this time. Too bad really, it was nice having a little diversity at HOU amongst all of those Canyon Blue and dwindling Mustard Rocket 737s. Oh well something tells me that CO will give HOU another shot a few years down the line.

Thomas



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User currently offline252MKR From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

T-B,

I totally agree--kind of a CRIP--Blood truce. The both have bigger fish to fry, if they stay out of each other's hood. CO can go after UA and the like; while WN can go after US and others. Seems like a bad time to be AA.



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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Bring back EFD - Ellington!!!!!! (or start Galveston even)

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, Veni, Vidi, Bibi


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6806 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4830 times:

Quoting Lt-AWACS (reply 6):
(or start Galveston even)


If EFD and HOU ended up not working, there's no way this is gonna happen. Well, unless Tillman Fertitta manages to get casino gambling going on the Island.


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4768 times:

Well many of the EFD flights I took were packed. Now I know they were "free", but I am curious as to if they "worked" for CO or not.

I could see Tillman refurbing most of Galveston Island at the rate things are going, so I think a return of service could happen. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part (much like FTW service), as I am certainly a big believer in "if it will make money the airlines will have done it" so maybe it just isn't to be...

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, MiGs were born to die


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6806 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4717 times:

Quoting Lt-AWACS (reply 8):
Well many of the EFD flights I took were packed. Now I know they were "free"


Not only were they "free," but they also earned 500 miles and an extra segment. If you're going to the southeast side anyway and you're a mileage hoe, flying to EFD wasn't a bad option. But it certainly didn't save any time unless the freeways were parking lots. And it wasn't a cheap service to provide -- you have to figure that the cost of the flight to CO had to be above $20 per passenger. Wasn't parking at EFD free as well?

I think the big problem with service at GLS is that it has to rely almost solely on the population of the Island (and visitors to it) to be viable. Anyone on the Mainland is as close in driving time to HOU as they are to GLS. The passenger terminal at Scholes would have to be refurbished and there would be the expense of bringing the security equipment up to date, providing TSA staff, etc. And even then, Islanders have pretty much gotten used to driving to Houston for shopping, dining, air travel, entertainment, etc. HOU is only 40 miles from the Causeway at 60-65 mph most of the way.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6912 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4661 times:

I talk to a few buddies in Clear Lake and NASA engineer type people that are PISSED that EFD went away.

If the economics are there, it would be nice to have the EFD shuttle running again.

I didn't think the HOU flts would hold, but also didn't think it would be this soon to bail on them.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4027 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4614 times:
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I loved the HOU service....I live downtown and it was real convenient to fly down there from EWR......first class was open for me usually when I flew it. And they were adding that sencond flight as well.


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

If i'm correct, they were flying EFD with an RJ or two correct? The economics of that are awful. Maybe they could contract out with Colgan to bring a few of their B1900's out to try it again....... Maybe a mini "air-shuttle from IAH to EFD, HOU, and Galveston.


"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Could HOU getting ready to under the 2nd phase of the Terminal Redevolopment program be the reason why CO axed HOU. Gates are hard to come by unless ya WN.


ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5200 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting BigB (reply 13):
Could HOU getting ready to under the 2nd phase of the Terminal Redevolopment program be the reason why CO axed HOU. Gates are hard to come by unless ya WN.


That very well could be it. How is construction on that phase coming? I hadn't flown from HOU in a while.

Quoting Ejmmsu (reply 12):
If i'm correct, they were flying EFD with an RJ or two correct

They actually flew more than 2--I believe that on peak days it was like 4 or 5 a day. Every time I flew the flights they were at least 80% full. Excellent service--bonus miles, free parking, ease of connection at IAH, and no long security lines.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

I talk to a few buddies in Clear Lake and NASA engineer type people that are PISSED that EFD went away.

This is all hearsay, but I heard from someone at work that EFD went away because they were planning some runway refurbishment, and wanted to foot CO with most of the bill. Again, don't know if that's true, but that was the scuttlebut I heard from more than one person.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5200 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

It wasn't exactly runway improvements but terminal improvements that CO would end up footing the bill for.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

That's it, thanks for jogging my memory Drex. I think I just remembered it incorrectly.

User currently offlineUsdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 988 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

I have often questioned the viability of a GLS-DFW route; certainly a Saab with 34 seats would do the trick. The problem with flying from HOU is that the airport does not offer many of the non-stop flights offered by IAH and DFW. Thus the argument for an American Eagle feeder service to DFW. Still, it is debatable if the economics are there to support the service.

User currently offlineCOFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

When I was still living in Houston (SW side), I was equidistant from either IAH or EFD via the Sam Houston Intercity Tollway (yeah, read the acronym Big grin), and when I would compare flight prices to any given location from either IAH or EFD, the cost was the same. So, being the mileage ho that I am, and since EFD did actually have free parking, I would plan for the extra hour of flight time to get the extra thousand miles. In fact, one year, I was going to wind up about 2300 miles short of gold (before platinum happened), as was my dad, so we did a day trip EFD-AUS-DFW-EFD. Of course all those flights route via IAH, so a quick 3000 miles into our onepass accounts, and up to Gold status.  Smile

Now that I live out here in West Texas, I have to drive 120 miles just to reach an airport with commercial air service (MAF). Yet, my nearest airport (FST) has a 7507x100 runway and could easily handle EMB120s or EMB135s. Wonder if we can get COEX or COConn to drop a flight into here.  Wink



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User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

That very well could be it. How is construction on that phase coming? I hadn't flown from HOU in a while.

I don't work at HOU anymore, but from the last time I visit there, Concourse B was in the process of being tour down and the apron level between Concourse A and B is being raised to to make the Apron even with the one under the Central Concourse. Once they finish this, Gates 20,22,26 will open up to allow WN to move the rest of their ops from Concourse A to the Central Concourse.

The 2nd phrase is to tear down Concourse A and rebuild is and widen the Terminal up on the Side where WN ticket counters use to be located.



ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5200 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Are we sure the flights to EWR are being axed? They show the flight operating into the summer with 73G equipment.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4027 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
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we are closing all together....theyare offering jobs elsewhere for other employees


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
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