RampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1621 posts, RR: 2 Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4623 times:
It seems UA had a big presence in ATL before deregulation. DL was always the largest. Both DL and EA added many flights after 1978. If UA didn't pull out after deregulation, and added flights alongside DL and EA. Would ATL have been a three hub airport like DEN? If EA had more competition for the second largest airline at ATL. Do you think they would moved their whole operation down to MIA?
It would of been a much needed Southeast hub that United always needed for their system.
This isn't true. in 1977, right before deregulation Eastern's hub in Atlanta was in terms of daily departures the largest hub in the world. IRC Eastern was pretty much larger in Atlanta than Delta in terms of destinations served nonstop until the mid 1980s.
One slight correction: EA for several years was larger than DL, not by very much but still.
Now, had UA tried to keep their hub at ATL, they would likely be gone by now. Every airline that has attempted a hub or focus city in ATL in competition with DL, except Air Tran, has bitten the dust (Eastern, TWA(mini-hub in the Nineties), Air Atlanta, Air South, Vanguard, and in a way Valujet, too, as not much of them is left in FL).
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4436 times:
Quoting RampRat74 (reply 0):
UA must of operated a good amount of flights into ATL. You can see two large fuel tanks in the background.
Those are tanks owned by the City of Atlanta, not the airlines. On several occassions in the past, the airport put the logos of the airlines that served ATL on the tanks of the fuel farms at the airport. Another example:
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4407 times:
UA moved into Atlanta with "minihub" with their acquisition of Capital on July 1, 1961. They had flights to MOB, MSY, BHM, CLT, RDU, PBI, MIA, TPA, ORH, PHF, GSO, AVL, NYC, PHL, DCA, CLE, PIT, BUF, ROC, and CRW, operating upwards of 50 departures per day. Transitioning from Viscounts, DC-6's and Caravelles, to 727's and 737's, they maintained their presence until deregulation, when in 1980 or 1981, they actually completely pulled out of ATL. They only stayed away for a year or two and when the new midfield terminal opened they returned but only with flights to and from their hubs at DEN, ORD, IAD, and SFO, although the flights to SFO and IAD were added later. For a while in the late 80's, they had add on flights to SAV, and operated a flight to MIA after they acquired some of Pan Am's South American routes.
TAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1975 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4206 times:
I must be losing my mind because I sure don't recall a UA "hub of any kind at ATL. Now, I'll admit the time frame I am thinking of is mostly from early 70's thru the initial days of deregulation (late 78-thru 1979).
Living at FWA most of that time frame, I distinctly remember UA 269 as the early am departure to CLE, with continuing service to ATL and JAX. Except for the CLE/ATL service and this single r/t to JAX as mandated by the CAB, I just don't recall all these flights several of you mention. Even flyingthru ATL a dozen times in those years I don't remember more than a minor presence for UA at ATL. Now UA did serve some of those with service that went thru the CLE hub as I recall.
Now I do recall UA dropped that JAX flight from ATL as fast as they could in early 79 or so and did start service to ORD from ATL soon thereafter.
I guess I'll have to go out to the garage tomorrow and see if I can dig out some old UA timetables from the mid-late 70's.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4168 times:
Also don't forget that Private Jet tried to make ATL a hub in 1994, when it switched from a charter-only carrier to a scheduled-service carrier. I think Private Jet went under when ValuJet started to fly the same routes at lower fares.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3966 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (reply 11): And let's not forget AIR ATLANTA...where did they fly to?
Routes included ATL-MEM, ATL-PHL, ATL-MIA, ATL-JFK, ATL-DTW, ATL-RSW, ATL-MCO, MCO-TPA, TPA-RSW, ATL-TPA, JFK-PHL, ATL-LWB, JFK-LWB. The last route map also showed an ATL-MSY route, but the airline went under before the route was started.
ARCJET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3958 times:
This is the United Route Map from 1969, 8 years after United absorbed Capital Airlines. Prior to 1961, United had no routes in the Southeast USA. The Atlanta operation ended in 1979 and United returned to Atlanta in 1984 with nonstops to Chicago and Denver.
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3921 times:
Keep in mind that Delta was a much smaller airline than Eastern until the mid 1980s, so it's logical that EAs main hub would be larger than DLs main hub. Looking at UA and AA timetables from the early 80s, I am quite sure that the two largest airline hubs in the USA were actually EA @ ATL and DL @ ATL. AA @ DFW was probably third, and then UA @ ORD. Keep in mind that about 6 airlines had smaller hubs at ORD following de-regulation so there were some cities for example that Republic or TWA flew to from Chicago which UA did not.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3907 times:
Air Atlanta had an office at MSY. I recall doing an inventory of what they left behind after they went belly up.
Funny story about that project: in the process of the inventory, we came across a nose wheel tire they'd stashed in the office. We actually were considering rolling it down the ticket lobby down to, I believe, CO, and up to their ticket counter proclaiming, "are you missing this yet?". We chickened out, though.
Somewhere around the house, I've got an Air Atlanta luggage tray/box.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1632 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3750 times:
When UA discontinued all ATL service ('79 to '85) they still maintained their Atlanta reservations center. During that period, those employees had to drive to BHM to non-rev on UA! The center is now a Galileo sales and support office.
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