Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5313 times:
According to the Financial Times Germany is Ryanair planning to open up another base in Germany beside its already existing base at Frankfurt-Hahn.
Ryanair CEO Michael O´Leary confirmed that his company is talking with two airports but he didn't mention the names of them.
MOL also told the newspaper that he thinks that "many of his competitors will leave the German market", he isn't believing that airlines like DBA or Germanwings are making profits. "There are only two no-frills airlines in Europe which can proof that they are making profits, that's Ryanair and EasyJet" said O´Leary.
Click here to read the complete airticle (unfortunately only in German).
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5264 times:
I don't think it will become Niederrhein-Weeze ,since Frankfurt -Hahn and Niederrhein are too close.Would rather think Karlsruhe -Baden or Lübeck,since the passenger yields in east-germany are not big enough.
For the other european bases I am convinced at least one of them will be in France.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5263 times:
Germanwings and dba are offering a quality product in contrast to O'Leary's cheap crappy airline. Lowest price is not the one and only aspect German travellers care about. So that guy can talk as much as he wants, one or two more bases would not hurt 4U or DI.
Why does he care about other airlines' profitability anyways? And why would 4U and DI tell lies about their recently announced or expected profits? Probably the crazy Irish puppet is just pissed that other airlines are indeed able to make profits even without killing every little piece of service and personality?
Btw, dba are no typical LCC...that guy should check his facts.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
Well, it won't be Luebeck, due to all the "Green Guys" living around the airport. Those would go beserk if FR opened a base there. Nonetheless, I strongly hope they come to the "real" Hamburg, and not only due to diversions .
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5123 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (reply 2): since the passenger yields in east-germany are not big enough
FR is one airline that could care less about yield. Then again, with U2 already having a base at SXF, and Leipzig not being the best choice for a base, I would bet on somewhere farther west
Quoting Phaeton (reply 6): What about Augsburg as a LCC airport in Germany?
The runway there would have to get a hell of a lot longer or FR would have to buy the Buzz 146's back from KLM.
Karlsruhe-Baden is actually not a bad choice because they can pull from Alsace, Stuttgart, Karlsruhe, Mannheim, Heidelberg and Muenchen in a stretch.
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Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5035 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (reply 4): I strongly hope they come to the "real" Hamburg, and not only due to diversions
No way, FR is one ever diverting airline...
Quoting Phaeton (reply 6): What about Augsburg as a LCC airport in Germany? It can easily be reached by train or car and the area around Munich has a lot of potential.
Tell that to the hardcore opponents around Augsburg...
Quoting N1120A (reply 7): and Leipzig not being the best choice for a base
LEJ would be an excellent choice for an airline like U2 or another LCC...well, not for FR...they'd always stick to Altenburg.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5016 times:
Quoting N1120A (reply 7): Karlsruhe-Baden is actually not a bad choice because they can pull from Alsace, Stuttgart, Karlsruhe, Mannheim, Heidelberg and Muenchen in a stretch.
Muenchen is not really near from Karlsruhe, it is 3 or 3.5 hours away from MUC.
I think there are good chances for Ingolstadt-Manching airport. This airport is big enough and has two big runways! And it is located perfectly between MUC and NUE. And also not far away from AGB.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
Quoting Avianca (reply 9): I think there are good chances for Ingolstadt-Manching airport. This airport is big enough and has two big runways! And it is located perfectly between MUC and NUE. And also not far away from AGB.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4960 times:
Quoting Avianca (reply 11): ??? it would be a jackpot for Manching.
FR would ask for money from them...some years ago they talked to NUE and the airport rejected. Guess why...
No subsidies for that cattle carrier. If they want to fly to Bavaria, they should operate to MUC or NUE...
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4945 times:
Quoting Udo (reply 12): FR would ask for money from them...some years ago they talked to NUE and the airport rejected. Guess why...
No subsidies for that cattle carrier. If they want to fly to Bavaria, they should operate to MUC or NUE...
you can not compare NUE with Manching.
The region need a LCC airport. And Ingolstadt/Manching has the airport and the location.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4935 times:
Quoting Avianca (reply 14): you can not compare NUE with Manching.
The region need a LCC airport. And Ingolstadt/Manching has the airport and the location.
I do not compare Manching to NUE. The example just shows FR want to use an airport almost for free or they request financial support. And no tax money should be used in any way which could help FR increasing their profits.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4939 times:
Quoting Avianca (reply 9): Muenchen is not really near from Karlsruhe, it is 3 or 3.5 hours away from MUC.
And that would tempt FR to call it Karlsruhe (Munich) .
Manching actually might not be a bad choice. Would also go along with their Grand Prix promotions
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Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4927 times:
Quoting Udo (reply 15): And no tax money should be used in any way which could help FR increasing their profits.
better to get some money with the little charges than nothing. The airport needs more tax money without a carrier than with one that pays not really. The airport is build and has his operationcost with or without FR.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4921 times:
Quoting Udo (reply 15): And no tax money should be used in any way which could help FR increasing their profits.
Why? It helps LH, AF, KL, SK, AZ, OA, BA and many many others all the time.
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Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4904 times:
Quoting N1120A (reply 18): Why? It helps LH, AF, KL, SK, AZ, OA, BA and many many others all the time.
LH, BA and KL receiving government support? Sorry, that's either new or has never been discovered before...
And just in case they would get tax money - at least they do not treat passengers like cattle. FR do, they are by far the worst LCC. FR growing more and more is a loss for travellers all over Europe in the long term. Additional subsidies for O'Leary would accelerate that development.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
Quoting Udo (reply 19): LH, BA and KL receiving government support?
Government travel, infrastructure improvements, treaty protection and the like are all tax payer funded subsidies to airlines.
Quoting Udo (reply 19): at least they do not treat passengers like cattle. FR do, they are by far the worst LCC.
Then they should stop giving FR near 90% load factors and alpha-million Euro profits. Fly U2, AB, Germanwings, etc. instead. I think most European LCCs treat passengers like crap, far below their US counterparts they claim to be copying. Hell, look at what LX and OS as national carriers do.
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Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4882 times:
Quoting Avianca (reply 17): better to get some money with the little charges than nothing. The airport needs more tax money without a carrier than with one that pays not really. The airport is build and has his operationcost with or without FR.
I see your point. Every carrier but FR would be fine...
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3075 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4859 times:
Udo this is got my on the floor laughing my ass off!
Seriously, I think we should appoint you, General Manager of the
Anti-Rottenair movement. I especially loved the comment about
Bavaria.... Keep our state clean!
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4858 times:
Quoting Udo (reply 22): I see your point. Every carrier but FR would be fine...
Again Udo, don't fly them if you don't like them. You cannot treat one carrier differently from another. At Charleroi, the deal was open to other airlines. Same with Strasbourg. I think FR has taken cost savings way too far and often does not offer the greatest deals, even though their most expensive fares are still not flexible and I would chose not to fly them given the choice, but you cannot do one thing for one airline and not the same for another.
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25 Udo: You almost got me here! But LH still give away a free drink and don't fly from the middle of nowhere. That's not really comparable to the subsidies F
26 Udo: What? Anti-what? Sometimes I just feel my duty... I know, that was just my personal opinion. Regards Udo
27 Sabena332: The only advantage is that they don't fly from the middle of nowhere but actually I prefer to drive to the middle of nowhere and to pay for my drinks
28 N1120A: Apparently you have not heard that OS no longer gives free drinks on Intra-EU flights. They wont even give you a cup of water on a 30 degree day when
29 Udo: Sure, FR do not piss off every single passengers, but one has to realize the danger of FR on the long term. They have been permanently lowering servi
30 Pe@rson: Firstly, you will find that FR flies to only 22 'secondary' airports out of 95 airports currently served. In a democratic society, people have a choic
31 Kl911: It's not a crappy airline. The planes are very clean, service is at least on my flights always good and friendly, they're always on-time and most imp
32 OO-VEG: KL911: I have flown both FR and 4U, and 4U is more convenient, the service is a bit better (they don't seem to cut costs on every possible thing). Pe@
33 9V-SPF: Water (non-sparkling) is actually free of charge along with coffee and tea.
34 Aviaction: For me the clear winner is NRN, as establishing a hub there is Ryanair's last chance to get a firm foothold on the massive Rhein-Ruhr region market. A
35 Pelican: I can't see SXF as the new FR hub. U2 is extending its operations from SXF while 4U is thinking about a bigger presence in SXF. And don't forget AB fr
36 DouglasDC10: For me, the winner will be NRN too. I would be happy to see LBC as a new base, but the airport has not a strong support in the population. They had so
37 N1120A: I know that, that is why I said it. Shithansa sounds just as vulger, but is just as funny. I need German character key on my keyboard I think they li
38 Airevents: We Germans have a strong inferiority complex and love discussions that lead nowhere and have only one goal: make yourself worse than you are (in reali
39 Pelican: It was Neuhardenberg. But they didn't get an approval from the responsible authorities because Brandenburg and Berlin want to develop SXF/BBI. pelica
40 Udo: You mean after scraping off the chewing gums? I can tell you I have seen ugly things in FR cabins... Which service? Sure you didn't fly on Buzz? They
41 N1120A: Well, I would guess that you an Patrick would contend that HON Circle members would subscribe to the Pringles theory of airline flying. "Noch einmal
42 Cornish: FR has tended in the past to find an airport, operate a flight or two from one of its existing bases, before adding flights from other existing bases.
43 RJ100: I think it wont be Karlsruhe. The airport management said it does not want to become a Ryanair base. They are probably better off with the current Rya
44 Mrniji: I think this is the first post I can disagree with every single statement made.. I experienced just the opposite, and your experiences make just one
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