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5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16602 times:

I seem to recall reading an article shortly after September 11th that several Middle Eastern men were waiting to board a United airlines jet at JFK, headed for SFO or LAX on September 11th. The flight was slightly delayed, and by the time it was ready for boarding, the first plane had crashed into the WTC and airports were being shut down. These men got into an argument with the gate agent, and by the time Port Authority police had arrived, the men had vanished. Newspapers at the time seemed to hint that it might have been a 5th plane that was supposed to be hijacked. Since then though, I've never heard this story again.

I tried (unsuccesfuly) to find any information about this article. Does anybody recall this, or have any more information?

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User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16553 times:

That's not exactly what I heard but it's close. I heard there was a UA 767 for LAX off the gate, took a MX, headed back to the gate, the guys jumped off the aircraft and fled. I don't remember seeing anything about it in the 9/11 report but I didn't read the whole thing. Rumor was that was the aircraft for the White House and that the UA 757 was heading for the capital.

User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16540 times:

No, didn't hear about it. But I did hear about the same in the UK, a group of people trying to board a plane at LHR with the intention of crashing it into Big Ben. It was reported by some pretty reputable papers (Sunday Times in the UK among others).

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16502 times:

I believe this is the flight involved...

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117425/posts

Great job, Ed!  thumbsup 


User currently offlineWestjet_8 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16431 times:

I also remember hearing about an Air Canada plane on which box cuters were found under the seats soon after september 11.


Canadian. RIP 1999
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16392 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (reply 3):
I believe this is the flight involved...

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117425/posts

Great job, Ed! thumbsup


Wow, great story. If only the guy could get the message he really wanted to get out. That is too bad, but from the sounds of it, I think he saved another possible attack.



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User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16346 times:

""Perhaps, but Kirk is adamant that Ballinger did save the passengers and crew of United Flight 23, which on Sept. 11 was about to depart from Newark, N.J., to Los Angeles. Kirk believes Flight 23 was going to be commandeered. Thanks to Ballinger's quick call, the flight crew told passengers it had a mechanical problem and immediately returned to the gate.

Later, Ballinger was told six men initially wouldn't get off the plane. Later, when they did, they disappeared into the crowd, never to return. Later, authorities checked their luggage and found copies of the Qu'ran and al-Qaida instruction sheets."

Sorry, it was EWR UA23. That seems to be the truth. God Bless Mr. Ballinger who had the smarts to ground his aircraft before anyone knew.


User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16220 times:

Quoting Westjet_8 (reply 4):
I also remember hearing about an Air Canada plane on which box cuters were found under the seats soon after september 11.


A CBC story was published regarding these reports.



Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14368 times:

There have been dozens of such stories on 9/11 and afterwards. I don't think that only one story is true. When such a tragical event happens everyone gets very sensible for such stories. And the media is getting crazy. But this hasn't happened on 9/11 only, it happens every day everywhere in the world.

Between, I heard about a LH A-340 on the way to the US being hijacked....

Bye, Georg.


User currently offlineDAL7e7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14204 times:

And people complain about delays...

Trey in TVI



DAL7e7 is wondering... Do pilots take crash courses?
User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14172 times:

There was also a story about an AA 777 leaving JFK for LHR that morning that had some Middle Eastern types leave the aircraft as soon as the news was announced, and of several DL jets at JFK that had box cutters found in seats. I remember the AC story, too. I believe it was an A320 at YYZ.

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14000 times:

And another rumor was several flights from Houston supposedly had men on it to crash into the Williams Tower (former Transco tower), the Shell Building and Enron. I don't think we will truly know what their fullest extent was.

User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13540 times:

We may never know and the speculations seem kind of wild. I was living in Texas at the time, so it was a little scary being in the country "under attack". Before Sept 11th Texas felt like home. Then I realized I wanted to be with my loved ones.

I come from english/irish background parents, but I still felt out of place even being Canadian in the US that day. Maybe some of these people of middle-eastern decent left the flights had the idea that people may suspect them and took actions that they felt were necessary. Although, how would they have known who was behind everything while it was unfolding?

Finally, all the aircraft used that day had a common-flight decks, 767 and 757. I suspect the flight in the Ed the dispatcher article had more truth to it than some of the others with different aircraft.

All of this I've written is of course opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.


User currently offlineMQrampBOS From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11520 times:

I remember a few months afterward hearing of a DL 767 BOS-LAX that was suspected as well. Same aircraft and routing as AA11 and UA175. Once they knew AA and UA had been hijacked, BOS focused on that flight, which ended up diverting safely. Still, you really can't be sure. There could've been 100 attempts that day.


Don't put me on A7! I got out of the airport, so why send me back?
User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

There were similar reports of suspicious men on flights grounded at JFK, BOS, LHR, SYD and others. Not only are the innocent passengers of those flights lucky, but the occupants of the likely targets: the Empire State Building, the Citicorp Building, British Parliament, etc. The guys who were en route to their 72 virgins are likely still around waiting to kill us another day.  bomb 

User currently offlineMark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10432 times:

But then again, days after 9/11, the news started to report that the FBi was arresting a number of individuals that may have had involvement with the 9/11 attacks. For a while there it seemed like it was on going for quite a few weeks after the attacks. There were so many things said that day, such as an original number of 10 hijacked airplanes including a 747. All of this I remember hearing as the day progressed, but nothing came of it. I guess there will never be a real answer as to what their entire objective was.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

One problem may have been the confusion after the declaration of the shutdown of all USA airspace. Aircraft that hadn't taken off yet or just landed by the time of the shutdown, discharged their passangers in a hurry, and not in an organized way to double check people comming off as being possible terrorists. People whom were or looked like 'middle eastern young males' were in some cases checked out, but in the crazyness of the day, there wasn't the reviews done as should have been done. There was an inconclusive investigation of several 'middle eastern men' the took a train from the NYC area to Texas and suspected as part of a terror plot.
There were previous plans in the past of mass aircraft terror. This includes the stopped plans in the Phillipines where one of the apparent terrorists had one of the bombs he was preparing for their attack blew up on him.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9643 times:

Well (and I know this has been discussed to death), I remember reading on Sep 11 that the Pennsylvania crash had a second debris field several miles away. The thought that went through my mind then was "ah, well that should give us a more forensic clue about what happened" (I'm not sure whether at that point it was known who was behind the attacks). I forgot about it, and only months later I realised that NOTHING had been said about it.

So, I agree with many above that the full truth may never be known.



I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Quoting MQrampBOS (reply 13):
I remember a few months afterward hearing of a DL 767 BOS-LAX that was suspected as well. Same aircraft and routing as AA11 and UA175. Once they knew AA and UA had been hijacked, BOS focused on that flight, which ended up diverting safely. Still, you really can't be sure. There could've been 100 attempts that day.


This was the flight that caused the most confusion everybody thought this was hijacked and that I think it was flight 93 was really doing ok sadly we now know that was not true.

Hawk44



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9537 times:
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I wonder how many of UA23 passengers complained about the plane turning back to the gates and later were thankful that ED forced their plane to turn back

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