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Strikes At Air France And/or CDG On Thursday?  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2203 posts, RR: 13
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

Since Thursday will be one of those phantastic French strike days (...not!), I wanted to find out whether there is anything planned at AF and/or CDG. I need to fly out in the morning but if they announce problems I rather leaved the night before.

Any insider? Thanks

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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5897 times:
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Mozart,
As it is still not clear, I'll come back to you to-morrow eve for the latest estimations on possible traffic disruptions.
Courage!



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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

Pihero,

thanks a lot! Indeed my travel plans will depend on that... And the French media - the ones I can follow from abroad - are not super-clear on it.

Best


User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

Pihero

I would appreciate it if you could keep me informed also. I am flying AF Thurs evening LHR - NRT.

tHANKS

James.


User currently offlinePogo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

I work at T2 for AFSL AF's handling co. I have not heard anything, will ask our ops tomorrow and let you know.


When in doubt give it a clout
User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Whats this madness? The french striking? You must be joking!

Im sure their integrity comes before anything else  Smile

JOKE


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

Cragley,

LOL! That is just what I was thinking when I saw the title to this post!


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5656 times:
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Mozart, Wheelsatc,

A notam has gone out for disturbances in ATC sevices from the 9th 18.00z to the 11th at 08.00z.
Now let's see the most likely scenario : Most affected centres will be West and South (different populations, I'm not going to elaborate...).
With the experience of past social unrest (the latest on Jan 20th),this should look like thus :
Heavy delays at the beginning of the morning of the 10th, getting quickly better with the 08.00z shift change, and improving as shift staffs are counted; those slots will be lifted rapidly if the strike is not very popular (as I expect). But the plan is to offload some of the transatlantic traffic (West Centre) on the North centre, so some delays will happen.
I still don't know whether the strike will be followed by the airports' fire service people, so it could affect, once again, the morning of the 10th.

So, Mozart, if you plan to fly before, let's say 11.00L, you will certainly be delayed. The picture looks a lot rosier early P.M.

Wheelsatc, you should be fine.

If you're patient enough, I will provide you with the latest estimations to-morrow middday. Keep this site open. If you'd like some more precise gen, e-mail me,giving your cellular # so that I could provide you both with the best advice. I'll have a computer nearby.

Cragley,
That's a very cheap shot. And to be honest, I'm glad I live in a country where people still think their way of life and rights are worth fighting for. Sometimes, like to-day, though, I find these strikes ill-thought and unfair to the public.That's why I've decided to be on the other side of the fence. It's not, by a long shot, always the case.

Very kind regards.



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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Pihero,

this is the most outstanding customer care I've ever received from anyone at any airline. Although this is not an "official" AF channel, it still reflects positively on you and the airline. Merci et bravo!

I may take the liberty to e-mail you. Thanks for the offer.

Mozart


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2729 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Iowa744fan, Cragley,

I don't approve anymore than you do of these strikes, but which culture are you a part of that makes you think attacking someones "integrity" (about as deep as you can go) and then saying, "Joke" is acceptable behaviour.

It ususally takes much less to deeply offend certain cultures on this forum.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

OzGlobal,

just like you I am more a victim than a supporter of the strike action and I think the timing is ill chosen (visit of the IOC in Paris for the 2012 games), but I fully agree with you that the right to demonstrate is something that I consider a basic liberty. Recent events in Ukraine and Lebanon have shown how much popular protest can do. And the Berlin wall fell after people had been protesting and striking.

Some people from certain countries may need to be reminded that it is only thanks to a traditional French custom to descend in the street that there has been the French Revolution, which has been the basis for the American constitution. But well, history may not be their strongest point...

Sorry to be slightly off topic, but I preferred giving some facts as a reply to a post that I found unacceptable rather than ask for it to be removed.


User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5593 times:

So, does this mean that we Americans should start spouting off and crying everytime others, including the French, choose to make fun of us or criticize us on this website? It is a joke. If you don't find it amusing, then just ignore it, read the next post, and quit trying to act like you are better than everyone else.

P.S. It's a cute double-standard that you guys choose to live with.


User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Just a quick note that I am not intending my message to go to all the European users on this site, just a select few. I have deep respect for many of the European members on this site who either choose to maintain an unbiased opinion, provide sound reasoning for their many beliefs, and who allow themselves to put out a simple joke or take one realizing that it is just that...a joke!

My message is directed at those few who feel the need to take offense or spout off about a joke and complain about why it is wrong, only to make a joke about some other country on different post.


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5566 times:
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Iowa744fan,

The problem with a joke is that it is very often directed at someone over perceived or preconceived traits :blondes, pilots, lawyers...then social or religious status...then nationalities...and every time, someone is bound to feel offended.
That's why I do not indulge in that sport.
That is also why I won't overlook cheap shots against any one on a thread.
My idea is that if someone cannot contribute to the thread,that someone could well go somewhere else , though I don't know whether there are joke fora on the web;I am glad to be part of A.net community, love the flags by each members'name as it gives quite an awesome proof of how wide the world is.
I'd like to keep it that way. And I will support it.
I was once part of another forum, which turned into the ugliest place on the net, as no one listened to anybody, so busy and so full they were of themselves and their righteousness.
T'was a sad story...

Regards,
Pi.He.Ro



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User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Pihero,

Thank you very much for the update, I shall keep my fingers crossed that my flights are unaffected although there is the chance of a knock on affect I suppose?

I will probably drop you an email tomorrow am for an update.

Thanks again.


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
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Mozart, Wheelsatc,

It is confirmed that the period which should be affected the most will be to-morrow morning between 07.00 and 10.30 L.
Improvements will start happening then.

Of course I suspect the LHR-CDG to see some delays, both in terms of arrivals in Paris and en-route ATC, due to the expected unloading of the western sector into Paris North.

At this moment, the only flights likely to be cancelled concern the french domestic network (I'mm thinking more of BOD,NTE and MLH...)

All long-haulers will be protected .

Keep your fingers crossed and an eye on this thread.
Pihero



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User currently offlineBiggles From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 459 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

I've just read that the protest is against government policies including a
35-hour work week.Is that increasing or decreasing hours to a 35-hour work week ??

I'm lucky if I work less than a 50-hour work week !!


User currently offlinePogo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting Wheelsatc (Reply 3):
I would appreciate it if you could keep me informed also. I am flying AF Thurs evening LHR - NRT.

Wheelsatc - i've asked about at work and nobody has been made aware that there will be any disruption to AF caused by the strikes in France, although as Pihero said, I would not be surprised if there were delays on the CDG-LHR routes. If in doubt call Air France or if you can get on an earlier flight do so.
If you are interested the aircraft you will be flying on would be a 777 from CDG-NRT and depending which LHR-CDG flight you get it could be a 737 or A320 or A321.
Hope this has been some kind of help, have a safe journey.



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User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Pogo - thanks for the additional info. I am on AF2271 LHR - CDG so only have a 50 minute connection at CDG before my flight to NRT. I will be in the office all day tomorrow and probably won't be able to get away any earlier than 6pm so I will not be able to get an earlier flight.

I will be in and out of the forum all day tomorrow so I will keep an eye out for any developments.

James.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2729 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

Quoting Biggles (Reply 16):
I've just read that the protest is against government policies including a
35-hour work week.Is that increasing or decreasing hours to a 35-hour work week ??

I'm lucky if I work less than a 50-hour work week !!


It's against the government moves to offer employees the option to work MORE than a 35hr week for additional pay!

Of course people also work a 50hr week here, like you, but they are compensated with heaps of days of additional leave (JRA). My team have 28 days annual leave, PLUS approx 20days JRA!!! I don't get these provisions as I am at director level. In my view the system is not sustainable and will only increase the cost of labour and therefore unemployment. However, the unions and their members have no interest in such questions and will blame unemployment on the government in any case. Desparate measures are needed to break people out of the infantile industrial attitudes that currently hold sway. I hope the government prevails.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5421 times:
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Biggles, Hello!

I'm afraid we will have to go on the non-aviation related forum in order to answer your question.
Basically, everybody works a 35hr-week.Any time over that limit goes into a sort of leave bank, from which the employee can draw a day called RTT day (working time reduction day) for every 7 hours of overtime,thus increasing their leave days.The now liberal government would like to allow workers to work longer, with a lot of arrangements. That's number one reason for striking as the unions see it as a disguised abolition of the 35hr rule.
Number two is , of course about salaries.
Number three reveals their fears of privatisation of some, if not all of the public services and all the advantages attached to being a public servant, in terms of job protection, automatic promotions, advantages....(long list...).

Workers' paradise ?
Often citizens'nightmare.

Hope I make sense, because this doesn't really.

Now, I'm going to have a nice drink.

Cheers.



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5408 times:
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Wheelsatc,

This is especially for you!

It's started with the 19.00 shift.As expected, Southern is the most affected, the other sectors running "nominal".

If I may give an advice, try if you could an earlier flight than 2271 as a mere 25 mins delay, which is possible considering the circumstances, will ruin your transit.
Play it safe, my friend.

OzGlobal,

Sorry our posts got crossed as I forgot to press the send button, so much was my need of a nice glass of tokay.

Saluts.



Contrail designer
User currently offlinePogo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5389 times:



Quoting Wheelsatc (Reply 18):
I am on AF2271 LHR - CDG

This is scheduled as a 737-500.



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User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5387 times:

According to the AF staff I just had on the phone, Mulhouse should be the only airport impacted by the ATC strike ... hopefully  Wink, as I am flying back from LUX at 7.00 AM, arriving in CDG at 8.00 AM and moving on to HAM at 10.00 AM ...

User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2729 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5335 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 21):
Sorry our posts got crossed as I forgot to press the send button, so much was my need of a nice glass of tokay.

Saluts.

Snap! I was having the same..



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
25 Wheelsatc : AF2271 was cancelled but fortunately I was transferred to a JAL flight that left later that evening. I got to Japan earlier than I would have!!
26 Pihero : Wheelsatc, I knew about your re-routing.Glad the system works at times. As for Mozart,I wasn't able to follow his "tribulations" as I was called out t
27 Post contains images Mozart : Pihero, my travels were a bit wild... I wanted to e-mail you already this WE, just didn't have a minute yet. But let me "publicly" thank you for all t
28 Wheelsatc : Pihero - please also accept my thanks. I look forward to my return on AF on the 20th. James.
29 Post contains images Flpuck6 : Gee, I wish all CDBs were like Pihero; pro-active and customer friendly!
30 Mozart : Flpuck6, he truly was helpful - but what is a CDB?
31 Flpuck6 : Sorry everyone, CDB is the acronym for Commandant de Bord, i.e. Captain!
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