Chiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 17 Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1779 times:
According to officials of the tourist board of the Canary Islands, PLUNA is planning to start up to 4 weekly flights from MVD to Tenerife with a stop in northern Brazil.
I was quite surprised about that news. Are there so many Uruguayos on the Canary Islands. I know most of the Venezuelan living in Spain live on the Canary Islands.
The aircraft mentioned was a 757.
UairFokker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1719 times:
Really? Down here in Uruguay we haven't heard any news from that. But they already have the 757, and I think they don't use it a lot. Here the rumors are from service to Venezuela, Mexico, and Bolivia.
I love to hear Pluna is expanding so fast!
(although I think Pluna is better than Uair!)
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
Good afternoon gentlemen,
Pluna to Tenerife? This is really news to me! As far as I know there isn't a big Uruguayan community in the Canary Islands, so the flight must be tourism-oriented only.
What surprises me is that currently Uruguayans are not in a situation ideal for spending holidays in Europe. Besides the very nice beaches they have at home, Uruguay devaluated its currency a few years ago some 30% or so.
Maybe a codeshare agreement with partner and mother airline Varig could help, but I still don't see lots of traffic between Brazil and the Canaries. If the flight's target were European passengers, then why starting at TFN? People go to Tenerife for holiday, but almost nobody starts their vacations there.
Currently the only airline flying from South America to the Canaries is Santa Bárbara, with non-stop flights from Caracas with DC-10 aircraft. The difference: there is a respectable Venezuelan community in the islands.
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1554 times:
This piece of news reminds me of a detail I've overlooked for years:
Over Christmas 2002, shortly after CX-PUB (PU's sole 767) entered service on December 8, I remember reading about the service to MAD in a Pluna leaflet. In it, it said something about the flight stopping in TFN on outbound leg and LPA on the return (or perhaps vice-versa, that I can't remember). Did this ever happen? Did PU operate charters to the Canaries, or ever make any technical stops there (which would eliminate the need for GIG)?
Quoting Marambio (reply 7): Besides the very nice beaches they have at home
Hmmm, I don't know, it's quite a close run thing between the chilly, choppy South Atlantic surf of Punta and the warm, welcoming waters and black-sanded volcanic beaches of Tenerifé (thankfully protected by shark nets)...
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1540 times:
Quoting Latinplane (reply 8): Santa Barbara isn't the only one, Cubana de Aviacion flies to Las Palmas on the Canary Islands. I wonder who they promote this service to?
You never know with Cubana...
Quoting LVZXV (reply 9): Hmmm, I don't know, it's quite a close run thing between the chilly, choppy South Atlantic surf of Punta and the warm, welcoming waters and black-sanded volcanic beaches of Tenerifé (thankfully protected by shark nets)...
Whoa, you sound very Argentinian there!
Anyway, I bet it is easier to have a mate con torta frita at Playa Mansa with good friends than in Tenerife..and that is one of the pleasures of life!
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
PU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
I dont really think PU would start flying to the Canary Is. though, as its been said there are not such traffic between MVD and TFN. Would be reasonable to think that PU starts MVD-MIA with the 757 with a stop for example in CCS.
I remeber a post from fellow UairFokker, saying that Pluna's most profitable route was the puente aereo MVD-AEP, thats not correct, GRU is PU's most profitable route.
Swisswings From Switzerland, joined Feb 2005, 60 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1401 times:
With a weak economy in Uruguay it is little probable that Pluna will fly
f o u r times weekly to TFN. I don't think that Uruguay can generate enough traffic to justify such a frequency. There may be other markets that would be more interesting for PU (e.g. services to MIA or linking MVD with other - not yet served) and allow a higher utilization ratio for their 757.
Box37 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 60 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
For your information in a publication in the Canary Islands the following article was published around Dec 2004. It is in Spanish, bit I assume that most of the people interested can read Spanish.
As you can see it is one 1 flight a week, in anoother newspaper article I had read that there is some demand for cargo, so that could be the reason for looking at that flight.
With regard to MVD-MIA it will not happen for as long as Uruguay is CAT II, here is the article
La compañía de bandera uruguaya se reúne con AENA para volar a Canarias
Pluna estudia implantar un vuelo semanal entre Montevideo y Madrid con escala en Las Palmas
La compañía de bandera uruguaya, Primeras Líneas Uruguayas y Navegación Aérea (Pluna), ha mostrado su interés al ente público Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea (AENA) por volar a Canarias. La aerolínea tiene en la actualidad tres enlaces semanales entre Uruguay y España, que conectan las capitales de los dos países.
Estos vuelos, hacen escala en Río de Janeiro (Brasil), pero la empresa está estudiando la posibilidad de incorporar un cuarto viaje semanal con escala en Las Palmas en lugar de la ciudad carioca.
Según indicaron fuentes de la Sociedad Canaria para el Fomento de la Promoción (Proexca), a finales de 2002 Pluna realizó diferentes pruebas e incluso escalas en el Archipiélago, pero por el momento, la empresa no ha terminado los estudios de viabilidad económica. Desde Proexca no se descarta que las operaciones se puedan iniciar en breve, aunque lo normal es que se anuncie antes, para que dé tiempo a que los diferentes agentes de viajes conozcan la nueva ruta y puedan por tanto, comercializarla y vender los billetes.
En su análisis, Pluna está evaluando no sólo el tráfico directo desde Uruguay a Canarias, sino también el tráfico que puede captar en toda la región del Cono Sur, que engloba además a Argentina, Chile y Paraguay, lo que representa en conjunto un mercado potencial de 60 millones de habitantes.
No obstante, desde Proexca precisan que hay compañías que vuelan no sólo fijándose en parámetros de rentabilidad económica, sino también por prestigio nacional y en estos casos, las preferencias de los políticos pueden pesar tanto o más que la rentabilidad económica.
A pesar de este condicionante, AENA hizo un estudio previo en el que determinó el potencial que tiene la ruta. No obstante apuntan que habrá que esperar a ver si Pluna finalmente solicita ‘slots’ (autorizaciones de despegue y aterrizaje) para volar la próxima temporada a las Islas.
El plazo para pedir los permisos finalizó durante el pasado mes de noviembre. No obstante, ahora se abre un proceso, mediante el cual AENA analiza todas las solicitudes que ha recibido para volar a España y desde el país al exterior. El ente público tiene que ver la capacidad de las aerolíneas para que no se produzcan saturaciones y de acuerdo con estos límites se conceden las autorizaciones. Si hay menos aviones que capacidad, se otorgan. En caso contrario, hay que desviar parte del tráfico a otras vías u horas. Una vez terminado este proceso, que será en los primeros meses de 2005, se concederán los slots definitivos.
El encuentro con la aerolínea uruguaya fue uno de los numerosos contactos que se desarrollaron en el pasado mes de septiembre en la 10% edición del Foro de Desarrollo de Rutas (Routes 2004), que organizó este año AENA a nivel mundial. A esta cita acudieron más de 450 compañías aéreas, representantes de 250 aeropuertos y numerosas autoridades locales y regionales, que cada vez más, apuestan por el desarrollo aeroportuario. Principalmente, el foro Routes permite acercar a las líneas aéreas con las autoridades competentes y descubrir de este modo nuevas rutas que no se están volando
PU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
This additional new flight to MAD is going to be operated by the 752?
Anyway I think PU should go to other market instead of spain which is already well covered. I really like the idea of CCS or MEX, that would really expand PUs network, or even the idea of MIA with a stop in northern brazil.
Anyone knows when the MVD's rwy 24-06 will be reopened? I heared its almost done and will be aprox 10,000ft long with a new ILS for rwy 06, plus the new one installed last year for rwy 19.
Luisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 32 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1249 times:
The reason that Santa Barbara flies to TFN is that we have a LARGE-ENORMOUS-HUGE Spanish community here in Venezuela, and most of them come from the Canary Islands. For example, 4 out of my 10 closest friends have dual spanish-venezuelan citizenship, and in my case, my great-grandmother is from Tenerife.
Also as it was mentioned here before, lots of Venezuelans (especially those holding Spanish passports) have emigrated to the Canary Islands in seach of security and better economic situation (thanks to Mr. Chavez of course).
I think that it would be wise if Pluna flew MVD-CCS-TFN-CCS-MVD. That would really help keeping the flights full. IB used to fly 10X weekly MAD-CCS-MAD. 7 weekly nonstop and 3X with a stop in TFN. They axed the TFN flight and granted Santa Barbara the monopoly on the route.
Im not totally agree though, the route MVD-CCS-MEX sounds better for me ,there was a rumour of PU to start flyin to CCS and MEX but this is just not going to happend from what I heared, and my guess is that this flight to TFN is going to be operated by the 752, since the 763 is already on the SCL and GIG-MAD schedule.
Luisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 32 Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1237 times:
Quoting PU752 (Reply 17):
Im not totally agree though, the route MVD-CCS-MEX sounds better for m
That would be great. PU would provide the only nonstop link between MVD and CCS and considering we have an important "Comunidad uruguaya" here in Venezuela (my school football team's coach was from MVD), I think the route can be succesful. And also if they grant PU rights between CCS and MEX, it will be great because it will force MX to drop their astronomical fares on the route.
My previous post was regarding the MVD-TFN flight. If it ever takes place, I think it would be wiser to make a stop in CCS than in Northern Brazil (supposing that they are granted rights between CCS and TFN).