Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2043 posts, RR: 10 Posted (9 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4061 times:
IA set to bid for UK landing
New Delhi, March 7: State-run Indian Airlines has decided to apply for the rights to fly five times a week to Gatwick.
The airline has agreed to hire wide-bodied aircraft after civil aviation minister Praful Patel indicated that the absence of such planes is holding up the airline’s plan to fly to Europe. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050308/asp/business/story_4466434.asp
now hunt begins for any remaining widebodies..
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3848 times:
IC just put out a tender for the lease of 12 widebody aircraft.
The airline is looking or either A310,A330,A340,B763, or B777's aircraft on 5 years lease terms with deliveries starting July 2005.
Certainly some aggressive actions by IC.
Tough I would say its almost certain the airline will come up with a mixed fleet as finding 12 of any single type (without even considering engine mixes) will be a near impossible task with such short notice.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
MrNiji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3561 times:
Just mad, how two state-run careers compete on India-LON
Although it would be an idea to convert IC to a LCC - just stop food serving, and the service anyways comes close to LCC, so does notr really to be modified
Quoting Laxintl (reply 2): The airline is looking or either A310,A330,A340,B763, or B777's aircraft on 5 years lease terms with deliveries starting July 2005.
They should lease AI's outdated 310 - no, hopefully, they get the 330, which could be used for the Gulf, too (and after merged with AI would be a good complement for the fleet)
Quoting Atco2b (reply 4): Thats good news for the UK economy and Gatwick! Lets get some more T7 action at LGW!
I can only repeat, what I posted in another thread> IC and the 777 hahaha!
Maybe they get the same so-called'rustbuckets' from UA. Since there are hardly any 777 available, and the 340 tb snatched by 9W, I wonder whether this all is wishthinking
Shawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3421 times:
I feel it is a waste to give 5 frequencies to IC. Jet and Sahara should be allowed to each have reasonable frequencies to the UK so they can compete with the UK airlines and AI. There just does not seem to be a point in the Indian government having two international airlines, and something tells me IC will fly either from BOM or DEL. If they at least used the frequencies to develop a hub in a new gateway like MAA or CCU to connect pax to local and international flights, then maybe it would be worth it. Maybe LGW to CCU to connect to DAC or Sylet for the Bangladeshis that live near LGW on the east side of London (when I lived in London, my general impression was that Indians tended to live on the West End while Bangladeshis were on the East - but could be wrong).
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7314 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
Quoting Atco2b (Reply 4): Thats good news for the UK economy and Gatwick! Lets get some more T7 action at LGW!
Aye, I can just imagine street parties being carried out north of London as the UK-India aviation market just heaps more capacity on London-India route to the detriment of the UK economy.
If IC is targetting the "cheaper" end of the market, then they should consider going to BHX/MAN/GLA and attempt to get some of the traffic that EK is picking up (especially at BHX when you consider all the airlines offering through routes to India via their home airports).
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3165 times:
I know that the India-UK market is huge, and that it is growing, but who the hell is going to pack all these planes? Unless these airlines are targeting connecting traffic to SE Asia and Australia, I suspect that the India-UK market can't really sustain all this suddenly added capacity.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3149 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12): I know that the India-UK market is huge, and that it is growing, but who the hell is going to pack all these planes?
Even with the increased frequencies to 40x weekly per side for Winter 2005, the total non-stop capacity in the market will still be lower than the O&D traffic in the market.
The goal of the aviation authorities is for 80% of the O&D traffic in the market to be carried as 3rd and 4th freedom traffic. Until the increase in frequencies this past winter, that number had dropped below 30%.
I was talking to a friend at the CAA about this a few weeks ago and his words were that "the market has essentially infinite demand". Increased competition will cause reduced fares which in turn will stimulate additional demand. We have already seen the beginning of this with Air India's gutsy move launching the Rs.19990 London roundtrip.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 days ago) and read 2992 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12): I know that the India-UK market is huge, and that it is growing, but who the hell is going to pack all these planes? Unless these airlines are targeting connecting traffic to SE Asia and Australia, I suspect that the India-UK market can't really sustain all this suddenly added capacity.
This is just the point.. AI has missed any strategy in regard to 6th pax traffic.. I doubt IC will not be able to include it, keeping inmind their mini network.. them going against AI is foolish in every sense.. man, something needs to happen in this question.
9W and S2 will hopefully do it better with their strategy
TKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 days ago) and read 2964 times:
Ah! Aseem - that is an interesting point! And something IC knows a lot about - the subject of interlining!
For eg, their TRV - MLE (maldives) flight have carried interline pax on Balkan Bulgarian, ZAS of Egypt and many other exotic and long forgotten airlines who all had fifth freedom rights from MLE to points in the middle east at one time or the other!
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2931 times:
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 19): If the GOI had some sense, they would cease these crazy independent planning two of their airlines and merge them
I totally agree!
They don't even market flights together, or code share on each others routes. I just don't understand what the point of the two airlines being independent and somewhat non-cooperative is but I'm sure the civil aviation ministry has some cockomamie explanation.
Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2043 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
what is happening is that GOI opens route for AI and then allots the same to 9W and S2. They all end up competing with each other.
Why don't they ask AI to spell out its definite plans for no more than next 2 yrs and allot the remaining to 9W and S2. That way we will have Indian carriers flying to more destinations, rather than carriers of those countries milking the route. We will soon see flights to SYD/MXP/AMS/GRU/YVR/ICN etc
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
Quoting Aseem (Reply 22): Why don't they ask AI to spell out its definite plans for no more than next 2 yrs and allot the remaining to 9W and S2.
I think this is very unfair towards the private competitors. Ai cannot make a comprehensive 2 yr plan since they do not know about their destiny for new a/c (it seems the AI board is meeting latest next week and will short-list, while the process could be through middle of the year - but never, never rely on this). if the GOI is unable to use the bilaterals, why should more effective institutions like 9W and S2 suffer? Better give them than foreinn competitors the business in restricting the bilaterals.
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2864 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2846 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 9): but S2 is only getting 2X per week to LGW. Giving them the 5X for IC would give them better footing, that way they would have a daily
The GOI have allocated the international rights[2x as opposed to 5x] in line with the number of domestic services operated by the respective carrier-----however in that case it should mean that IC should have been given more services as compared to 9W keeping in mind that their domestic network is much more covered