Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2186 times:
They merged with Pan Am II which then went under in 1998.
Jerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2154 times:
Carnival Airlines was bought out by the "new" Pan Am in 1997. The "new" Pan Am later declared bankruptcy and stopped flying.
Carnival's Fleet:
Airbus A300-B4
Boeing 727-200
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 737-400
Carnival Air Lines was formed in 1988 by the Carnival Cruise Lines after this company purchased the Pacific Interstate Airlines. The present name was adopted one year later. The airline flies feeder services between US airports and the parent company's ships in the Caribbean ocean. Carnival also flies scheduled services out of Miami to Los Angeles, New Orleans, Housten and Chicago.
1996 saw the start of an international service from Miami to Lima (Peru) in co-operation with Faucett. It has a maintenence base at Holliwood International Airport.
Destinations: Los Angeles, New York/Newark, Orlando, Tampa, White Plains & Charter flights.
PHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 414 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2082 times:
Not quite correct:
Carnival Airlines was renamed Pan American Airways (= Pan Am III), whereas Pan Am II was Pan American World Airways. Following the financial merger, the two airlines operated side by side on two separate operating certificates. The operations were never merged, because the owners ran out of money before they could make it happen. Sadly, during the bankruptcy proceedings, the Guilford Group outbid Carl Icahn and acquired Pan Am's assets. They used the Carnival/Pan Am III certificate to relaunch the airline as a charter airline first, and later added this pathetic "scheduled" service to third and fourth-tier airports. Recently, in an effort to outsmart the pilots' union, Pan Am III was shut down, and Guilford now uses the operating certificate of its regional subsidiary Boston-Maine Airways to operate Pan Am IV. However, Pan Am IVmight very well be Pan Am V, because at some stage last year, Guilford decided to establish an offspring in the Dominican Republic - Pan Am Dominica. I am not sure though, if the latter ever had large aircraft on its certificate, or just Jetstreams. I eventually lost interest in this sorry excuse of an airline.
MIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1300 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1973 times:
Carnival Airlines was also one of the 1st airlines to serve Aguadilla (BQN) Puerto Rico along with American Airlines in the Early 90's.
I believe Carnival served EWR from BQN. While AA served MIA & JFK from BQN.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6013 posts, RR: 53 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
I flew a Pan Am-operated flight on a Carnival B727-200 fromn MDW to MIA in June '97. On the way back, it was another Carnival 727, this time in the "Miami Heat" colors. The seating was one class, high density, around 175 seats I believe. Nice flights and excellent service, although both were over two hours late in each direction due to mechanical issues.
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4355 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1932 times:
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
Quoting PHX Flyer (reply 3): Carnival Airlines was renamed Pan American Airways (= Pan Am III), whereas Pan Am II was Pan American World Airways.
If I'm not mistaken "Pan Am II" actually grew out of the estate of Eastern Airlines, not from the original Pan Am. It was originally intended to raise money for Eastern's estate or for the creditors who had been fleeced by Frank Lorenzo's last reorganization plan in 1990.
Hawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1903 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (reply 5): this time in the "Miami Heat" colors. The seating was one class, high density, around 175 seats I believe.
My Grandmother flew on the same aircraft I think it was her last Carnival flight before they faded away.
I think I flew them once or twice into SWF out of FLL
PHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 414 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
@Kkfla737
Yes, Pan Am II was definitely unrelated to the original, it just used the exact same name. The founder of PA II, Marty Shugrue, was also a court-appointed trustee for the estate of Eastern Airlines (and in his previous life a top executive with the original). Launching PA II gave him an opportunity to put the ex-Eastern A300 back in service again.
Njdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 701 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
They deff had a big operation out of FLL. flights to the Bahamas, SWF,EWR, ISP and also a A300 to Lax that was just a few of the destinations.
IslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
LAX, EWR, JFK, ISP, MIA, FLL, PBI, SJU, SWF, and a few other caribbean destinations. I am looking at a few carnival timetables right now if anyone wants any specifics on which routes had which aircrafts etc. just say it on this thread!
ATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 770 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1650 times:
OKay,
How does Chalks International Airlines fit into this equation. Because OP used to be the 2 letter identifier for Carnival. Or am I mistaken?
ATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 770 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1622 times:
Islip,
Thank you. That sounds familiar. What I was thinking was that OP was the 2 letter code for Pan AM II. And I didnt know about Chalks. Too bad. They've been around a long time and I love those Turbo Mallards.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2651 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1484 times:
Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 15): Was Carnival air supposed to be some transport thing so you could get on the Carnival cruise line?
Quoting Jerion (Reply 2): Carnival Air Lines was formed in 1988 by the Carnival Cruise Lines after this company purchased the Pacific Interstate Airlines. The present name was adopted one year later. The airline flies feeder services between US airports and the parent company's ships in the Caribbean ocean. Carnival also flies scheduled services out of Miami to Los Angeles, New Orleans, Housten and Chicago.
Alb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1439 times:
KW had started to serve the Crystal Palace Hotel and Casino, Cable Beach, Nassau, Bahamas a property owned and operated by Carnival.
Gambling junkets from FLL were quite common................add the cruise ships and KW just grew. Too bad they didn't stick around.
Spinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 967 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1418 times:
They also used to serve HPN-FLL
I remember a snowstorm that cancelled my flight and I had to rebook for the following day. At first the agent (obviously from Florida) tried to convince me to take an Islip flight, stating that Islip wasn't that far away from HPN.
I wound up flying JFK-MIA on a codeshare with Lan Chile on a 767. It was a great flight that included a meal. Pretty nice for my $200 roundtrip ticket.
ACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 921 posts, RR: 16 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1214 times:
FYI,
Chalk's is NOT closing down. The airline has a fleet of 3 Turbo Mallards. One is down for repair after a hydro line failure coming up the seaplane ramp in Paradise Island. It suffered hull damage when the gear retracted while proceeding up the ramp. The aircraft also had salt water enter the passenger compartment when high tide hit. It will be out of service until at least the end of the month.
The second airplane just had a new JT6-34 engine installed. (One of the old engine had reached end of useful life) and began flying today.
The third airplane is flying a regular schedule with no issues.
Additionally, Chalks owns three additional G73 T Mallards and they are slowly working to return them to flying status.
Last I heard was they would be phased in about one every 10-11 months as they were finished. They will be entirely stripped and skins, spars, etc checked replaced as needed. New interiours put in, New engines and avionics etc. Word is the the first of these will begin in the next 60 days with introduction to service in April of 2006.
Chalk's is the world's oldest continiously operating airline, Flying since 1919 and still going strong.
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