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Human Remains & The TSA  
User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12205 times:

I am an (international) airline employee.

I am usually quite proud of this fact.
I like my company. I like the airport in which I work. I even like the passengers... most of the time.
I hold life, liberty, and the "American Way" to a high standard.
Life is generally good.

However...

Today I am ashamed to be associated with air travel in the USA, and I even must question what the growing worldwide perception (reality?) of traveling to/through America is becoming.

Why?

One simple Answer: TSA

Tonight at work I had the unique opportunity to watch many of TSA's finest: open, remove the contents of, x-ray, and make a very distraught passenger repack CREMATED HUMAN REMAINS.
(there is a plastic bag inside of the urn).

If you've never seen cremated human remains, you are lucky.
If you are a family member of the deceased, it is NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SEE OR HANDLE in your lifetime.

Of course, there is a long story-within-a-story here, and I'm not about to recount it, in all its disgusting glory. My airline allows its passengers to hand-carry cremated ashes as long as it is verifiable with proper documentation from the funeral home, etc.

In this case, however, our governmentally-appointed "friends and protectors" from the TSA could not x-ray through the metal urn, thus demanding (yes, demanding) to have the urn dismantled and the ensuing bits 'n pieces x-rayed for the safety of all.

Now, I have chosen my words carefully here. If in case anyone reading this post is intent on using American air travel as a weapon against the world again, I have not given up any secrets to you. Go ahead, buy an urn and come see me at the airport. I dare you. You don't want that option because you can be sure I PROFILE ALL DAY LONG.

As for the TSA... Oh, you poor, uneducated, tactless, useless, banal, mindless, retched scum of the Earth. You have proven once again how truly avoidable you are making America, not only to Americans & non-American visitors, but also to the airline employees you have to work along side of every day. I detest and loath you all... not individually, necessarily, but as a whole, profiled group of categorized morons that you are. I will hold out hope that there may be one useful individual in your organization that I have not yet met, however I will now petition for your removal ASAP on behalf of all those you antagonize on a daily basis. At least you can argue that low-paid, non-English speaking security contractors (like pre-9/11) didn't have to CARE.
What's your excuse?


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12130 times:

Quoting VSMike (reply 0):
As for the TSA... Oh, you poor, uneducated, tactless, useless, banal, mindless, retched scum of the Earth


Join the party. I can't wait until ANCflyer sees this thread.  Smile

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineN5176Y From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12109 times:

How would you have handled it?

User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12098 times:

Yeah, disgusting it is, but have you considered for a moment putting the blame on those cheapos, who felt the need to haul the remains of their loved one as a carry-on? What was the TSA supposed to do, in view of 9/11? Anybody with an iota of common sense, would have let the undertaker take care of the transport of the urn.

User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12082 times:

You first, N5176Y.
I would really like to open this post to useful criticisms, ideas, and thought-provoking, intelligent commentary. I have my opinions, but I will digress for a short time, sorry...

Go ahead. Please. I'm still a little too angry.

VSM

[Edited 2005-03-08 04:40:09]

[Edited 2005-03-08 04:46:14]


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User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12050 times:

PHX -
I thought about that. I even agee with you somewhat.
But carrying remains is common practice. I've seen it before.
I feel that there must be a contingency plan in place by the TSA. Obviously not. And we're talking about an international flight here -- many legalities in both shipping AND carrying this sort of thing abroad. In this case, lets assume that carrying may have been easier. The passenger in question was in the USA on holiday, lost a relative, had the cremation performed in the USA, and was traveling home, outside of the USA...

[Edited 2005-03-08 04:49:30]


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User currently offlinePapaNovember From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12027 times:

Um...You lost me. First you condemn the TSA for their handling of the situation and then you encourage others to try it themselves - WTF??

How should the situation have been handled? And why would you challenge people to "Go ahead, buy an urn and come see me at the airport. I dare you. You don't want that option because you can be sure I PROFILE ALL DAY LONG." And especially after commenting on how you're so incensed by the way it was handled. And what if someone shows up with an urn to test you? What will you do as an airline employee that wouldn't involve the TSA to begin with?

And why is with the last paragraph even necessary? You obviously have a grudge against the TSA for some reason.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12026 times:

Couldn't they have done what they do with film, where they wipe it with those swabs and put the swabs in that machine? They do it with film, I don't see why they can't do it with an urn.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12001 times:

Quoting PHX Flyer (reply 3):
Yeah, disgusting it is, but have you considered for a moment putting the blame on those cheapos, who felt the need to haul the remains of their loved one as a carry-on?

Yes, anybody with an Iota of common sense would have let the remains of a loved one out of their sight in a fragile container to be transported transatlantic? Frankly i think that was a pretty ignorant comment.


User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11994 times:

Papa-
Re-read my main post. You missed the point. I asked for useful comments, not "WTF".
Try again.



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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11990 times:

Are you saying an urn should not be screened? I'm all for the sensitivity of the situation however we are up against people who will do anything to destroy us and if you don't think they would hide explosives in an urn then you need to guess again.

Hawk44



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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11978 times:

@ APFPilot1985
I beg to differ. For one, an urn is not exactly fragile, and secondly, for Fedex or UPS it does not make any difference, if you ship from NYC to Boston, or transatlantic. And trust me, they do have expertise shipping human remains.


User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

Hawk-
Hey, man, I agree with you. I really do. I don't put anything past people who are intent. But there is need for separation between safety and common sense. I am struggling to find the acceptable middle-ground, too. This particular situation went too far, and that is still my opinion. Maybe you had to be there to see the tears and the emotion...



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

Quoting PHX Flyer (reply 11):
@ APFPilot1985
I beg to differ. For one, an urn is not exactly fragile, and secondly, for Fedex or UPS it does not make any difference, if you ship from NYC to Boston, or transatlantic. And trust me, they do have expertise shipping human remains.

None the less just because someone feels more comfortable taking the remains by hand doesnt make them cheap.


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

There are urns that the x-ray machines can see through, and funeral homes and agents have been advised to recommend these when someone are travelling with their loved ones. Unfortunatly this doesn't always happen.
Obviously this is a very delicate matter but it is unfair to put the blame on the TSA agents alone. They're just following orders. The fact that they not always show tact, is another story - I shall not mention the episode we recently had over here with a leaking urn .....

Bottom line is that these situations can be avoided with a little planning. However it is understandable that grieving pax not always act rationally, and that is why it is so important that they get good advise before they get to the airport.



- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

Let's just say the passenger, for whatever personal reason, was not cheap. The passenger was sentimental. Attached. In mourning. Desperate. And the passenger had taken all the necessary steps to ensure carrying the urn was acceptable, legal, and otherwise OK...

(although I do think the UPS/FedEx option is a better option, personally. that much said, I have never lost a loved one abroad and I can't really say what I would do...)



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11935 times:

haha, I still get a kick out of seeing what some people say on this site.  Big grin


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User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11934 times:

LN-
Since TSA were the only governing body searching and securing the airport, they do shoulder 100% of the action THEY took.

Agreed however, all options should be exhausted by the passenger before setting out on an expedition like this.



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User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11917 times:

Usnseallt82-
Good for you. And what say you...?



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11901 times:

Hmmm, perhaps there is a simple solution...

Urns should be checked. It would be the TSA's responsibility to provide the airlines with special safe boxes to carry the urns while checked. Passengers will not be charged for exceeded checked luggage because of the urn.

What I wonder is, how do they check caskets and corpses? Frequently caskets carrying the deceased are shipped on planes in the cargo holds. Do they open them up too to inspect?

VSMike, I can just see one of those Thousands Standing Around drop an urn and spill its contents all over the floor like they did my briefcase last December.

Welcome to my respected users list VSMike.


User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11892 times:

NASCAR-
Thanks, man! And you'll be on my list, too.
Caskets are usually shipped via the airline's cargo division, and x-rayed just like regular cargo shipments. There are "known shipper" bureaucracies, etc... but I do believe this is how it is done...
As for briefcases like yours... well, dumping the contents does seem like a good TSA "trick"...

 Smile



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User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11888 times:

As a funeral director and former airline employee, I just could not let this one rest.

First of all, FedEx and UPS will not accept cremated human remains for shipment. The only people that will accept the cremated human remains for shipment is the United States Post Office. Now, with that said, would you rather take your chances with the TSA or the Post Office if you wanted to get your loved one from point A to point B?

Secondly, a funeral service trade journal discussed this very issue a couple of months back. They (if I remember correctly) stated that the urn manufacturers were working with the TSA to make solid urns that could go through the x-ray machines and still display the contents therein thus not requiring them to be emptied.

The other option they were working on went something like this: Have the family clear the checkpoint and board the aircraft with the cremains in the plastic container they come from the crematory in. The family would pack the empty urn in their suitcase, or carry it on board, and when they arrived home, they would go to a designated funeral service provider who would transfer the cremains to the urn from the temporary container at no charge. With this method, the TSA would not need to empty the urn at the checkpoint.

The funeral industry is very aware of this problem and wants to solve it to everyone's pleasure. So, just give it time.



Always a pallbearer, never a corpse.
User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11876 times:

As much as I loathe the TSA, I can't fault them on this one. They check every other carry on item, heck the last time I flew they x-rayed my cup of coffee and my magazine, so why not the urn? If you find it humiliating, then don't carry your loved one onboard with you.

-77



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User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11875 times:

Thanks Gov.
I appreciate your insite. Welcome to my respected users list.
Please encourage haste within your community regarding this issue, because I witnessed worse-case-senario today, and it was horrible and unfair. Contact me if I can be any help!



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11876 times:

Quoting Newark777 (reply 1):
Join the party. I can't wait until ANCflyer sees this thread.


Ahhhh, I've seen it. I believe it. The dumb ass losers at TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA - I bet they'd want their Mom, Dad, Granny, etc, X-Rayed at in front of God and everyone at the airport security screening checkpoint.

Quoting VSMike (reply 0):
As for the TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA... Oh, you poor, uneducated, tactless, useless, banal, mindless, retched scum of the Earth


Yup, Yup, Yup, what he said, Yup, Yup, Yup. Goddamn losers! Period! Losers!

Several months ago, the TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA, in their infinite wisdom, and this was in the Anchorage paper - sorry too old to provide link - actually took an urn from a persons checked luggage, checked it, incorrectly repacked it, and consquently, the remains burst open in flight, an AS flight (not a dig at AS just want to add credibility to my story since I have no link), and before the aircraft got from ANC / PANC), USA - Alaska">ANC to SEA, the remains had thoroughly coated everything in the poor womans bag. This what you're referring to LN-MOW??? Now, WTF do you do with this!?!?!?!

Launder out Uncle Tom from your drawers, shirts and jeans?

The goddamn TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA is a waste of Federal Funds, Thousands of frickin' Losers standing around. Couldn't do a job competently if wanted to.

Quoting N5176Y (reply 2):
How would you have handled it?


X-Rayed the content in the container - without removing for the whole damn world to see. . . . in situations like this the TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA needs some compassion - perhaps even call over a supervisor . . . . . AND NOOOOO, not with the usual tact of the fucked up TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA by screaming across the security area something like "DEAD BODY TO CHECK". More like a discreet call, perhaps by a small radio, the let a supervisor come over and express sympathy for the loss, and explain that we must still check the remains and we're sorry but the rules say so, but I'll be extremely careful, and do it personally, just to make sure things are done correctly and with reverence. Not our TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA by golly . . . . frickin' losers!

Quoting PapaNovember (reply 6):
How should the situation have been handled?


See above comment . . .

Quoting PapaNovember (reply 6):
You obviously have a grudge against the TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA for some reason.


Nope, no grudge, I don't hold grudges . . . I just think they're a goddamn waste of money. Inconsistent, over reactive, nonsensical, wate of taxpayers money.

Example: You don't HAVE to take your shoes off . . . but I'll guarantee you a trip through secondary at ANC / PANC), USA - Alaska">ANC if you don't.

Example: Take your laptops out - why? We're the only damn country that does this? Why, can anyone tell me? Wen we can send a DVD player, video Camera, and every other piece of electronic gadgetry through WITHOUT removing it from the case . . . just the Laptop - absolutely frickin' ridiculous.

And, now - even though I'm a non-smoker - the Coup de' grace! Lighters! What a load of shit. You realllllly expect to be able to enforce no matches or lighters? If so, you're more flippin' stupid than I first anticipated.

TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA sucks, period, dot, next.

TSA / RCSS), Taiwan">TSA - THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND - LOSERS!

[Edited 2005-03-08 05:48:32]

25 VSMike : 777STL - I am OK with x-raying the urn. Everything passing TSA must be x-rayed. I agree with that completely. Sensitivity and TSA protocall (if there
26 ANCFlyer : Missed this . . . sorry PHXFLyer . . . until you HAVE a loved one to carry along in an urn I suggest you STFU. My father brought my step Monster errr
27 APFPilot1985 : good call PHX, you can apologize anytime you want for calling me cheap
28 Hawk44 : It's definitely a difficult situation to be in and I know what you mean certain things have a big emotional feel but you have to be there and I think
29 VSMike : Hawk- Coffins. Yeah, sure. Right. Usually not a major problem. But I am most certainly NOT talking about airline policy here. My airline has a policy.
30 FlyingNanook : I am so f-ing sick and tired of the consistent bitching about the TSA on this board. The agency as a whole has some pretty stupid policies, but this h
31 ANCFlyer : Sure TSA has a written policy, varies from airport to airport, and shift to shift and is probably written on the sauce stained napkins of the fat ass
32 PapaNovember : VSMike, I have re-read your main post, and you made no mention of requesting comments at all, let alone useful ones. It wasn't until reply #4 when you
33 ANCFlyer : I'm damn sorry to hear that. I have a friend, formerly with a Law Enforcement Agency - fairly high rank as well - who is now with TSA. And I was terr
34 Post contains images Hawk44 : Now that's a good question I don't work for them so I don't have the answer. But I can tell this issue really hit hard with you, next time you work i
35 VSMike : Papa- Time for bed, kiddo. No one else had any trouble. My post got your attention, though. And by your replies I seem to have held your attention. Th
36 Aogdesk : This is from the sidelines of course, but..... Like many others, I've seen the tact of the TSA, in short, there is none. Of course, there has to be se
37 VSMike : Thank you, Hawk. I agree with you, and perhaps I can post a follow-up later with the results of the meeting I will SURELY be calling. Sometimes it is
38 VSMike : Aogdesk- Eventually, it was moved to a more... ah... remote location. However it took at least 3 supervisors, 12 agents, 1 CTX machine, my 3 airline r
39 Post contains links RyDawg82 : This is a horrible situation and I will admit the TSA has errked me a few times myself, but have any of ya'll looked at the TSA site for their policy
40 ANCFlyer : The according to the initial post in this thread the TSA has already screwed up! I love it when I'm right - they don't even know their own goddamn po
41 VSMike : RyDawg- Ahhh yes. True. But now we have a difference in opinion between airline policy vs. TSA policy. Like this hasn't happened before??!!?? Perhaps
42 Flybyguy : That is a disgusting situation... only halfwhits can let this sort of thing happen. The least they could have done was show the dead proper dignity. W
43 VSMike : Flybyguy, Trouble has been found. Capital "T"... like in TSA. Biggest troubling point is that they are NOT paid minimum wage. Quite the opposite. They
44 VSFullThrottle : Hey VSMike I, since they started, have not liked the way TSA operate. They are useless!!! I agree totally with yours and ANCFlyer's posts in this thre
45 VSMike : VSF- Thanks. U too.
46 L-188 : You would trust your loved one to a luggage monkey? Face facts, they tell you not to pack valuables in your checked baggage for a reason, the same on
47 VSMike : Some good thoughts here so far. Don't let this thread die!! Basically, the thing that really gets me is this "post-9/11"-syndrome. Some people use thi
48 ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha - TSA is protecting us . . . Ha Ha Ha . . . feel safer with those idiots . . . Ha Ha Ha . . . . If anyone professes to feel more secure with
49 Foxecho : VSMike Welcome to my respected users list Andrew JFK/MEM/MCI
50 NASCARAirforce : I still don't see what the point is for the Thousands Standing Around or as I used to call them when Tom Ridge was director of Homeland Security "Tom'
51 JGPH1A : Ah but you see the cremated person might have been a terrorist, you can never be too careful. They had to check to see if they needed to fly him to Sy
52 ContnlEliteCMH : You're young, aren't you? That's not a slam, mind you. We were all young at one point in our lives, but as we age, we see the folly of our youth. And
53 VSMike : Mr. CMH, Welcome to my respected users list! Very pertinant observations. Thanks, VSM
54 Ckfred : I'll be the first to agree that there are some idiots working for TSA at our airports. That's true of any large organization. But the stupid actions t
55 CaptOveur : Simple, that would not have been nearly traumatic enough for the traveller. The TSA workers, I think, know deep down the more miserable they make air
56 Malaysia : I have had to walk over 3 boxes of human remains to get a stroller lodged inside a PK 747 years ago. what can I do? I had no choice. but the TSA does
57 N757KW : I work for a foreign carrier in the U.S. I normally have about 6-10 human remains a year usually going to Saigon, Manila , or Seoul. For shipping a co
58 PacificWestern : Ugh, what an awful thing to happen. No one should have to see the cremains of their loved ones. I am not surprised by TSA behaviour. My most absurd ex
59 JGPH1A : TSA Agent (thinks) "Mmmmm x-rayed donuuuuts - radioactivaliciousssss" (drools a la Homer)
60 HZ747300 : I would not want to fly on a plane with an unscreened urn no matter how emotionally distraught, attached to the remains, detached from reality, the pa
61 Starlionblue : My favourite was while I was packing my laptop back up after clearing security at LGA, and this TSA guy walks up to a lady with a head-scarf holding a
62 Dimsum : I didn't read most of the replies so I don't know if someone might have said this. Yes, indeed, it is a horrible thing to happen. To have someone hand
63 LTBEWR : While there are problems with Human Remains urns on the TSA side, the bigger problem is from those whom carry, prepare and pack the Urns. When a loved
64 VSMike : LTB- Urns are sealed from the time of preparation, usually with 4 screws at the base (although I am sure there are some differences). Funeral director
65 Eilennaei : Cremated remains? So what? Dust to dust. What is in it that's so ungodly even or horrible? All the heavy bones etc have been crushed so there's really
66 Exsca : Well I see there are many many differant views and opinions too this topic, I as a family member would not want too see the cremains of a loved one, I
67 Boeing727flyer : This just proves my point that the TSA are just a bunch of idiots who have no tact in any way. I have had problems with them racially profiling me for
68 NASCARAirforce : The point is a good proportion of the TSA have an IQ under 100 and I think a dog could do a better job literally (drug and bomb sniffing dogs). You ar
69 Post contains links Wukka : Why would you even suggest that? Are you saying that http://www.cremation.org is out-of-place and that Eilennaei is wrong for thinking that the human
70 ANCFlyer : Perhaps Wukka, VSMike is referring to the absolutely insensitive drivel in Eilennaei's post . . . that would be my guess and my sentiment as well. Un
71 Wukka : Realistically, nothing that Eilennaei's post was "wrong", so to speak. As someone who has witnessed death and rolling someone's loved one down to the
72 NYCFlyer : wow, great thread. VSMike and CntlEliteCMH, you're both on my respected users list. VSMike - can you say what airport this happened in? TSA sucks. Esp
73 Jetdeltamsy : i think i'm the only person out there who is sick and tired of hearing about the TSA. none of us know all of the circumstances surrounding this partic
74 ANCFlyer : I answered that question above . . . . but I'll repost here for you . . . "X-Ray the contents in the container - without removing for the whole damn
75 Jetdeltamsy : VSMike, i just read the entire thread. your responses are ridicilous. calling people "sick & twisted" because they are less emotional in their respons
76 ANCFlyer : Nope, FlyingNanook is as well, in fact there's a post to that effect in this thread. Made more challenging by inept management, ignorant employees, i
77 Jetdeltamsy : ANCflyer, it surprises me that someone with a background in law enfocement is so negative about the TSA. law enforcement people are lied to and deceiv
78 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I'm with you there. I used to sleep on some long haul flights - not anymore. I always, now, make it a practice to introduce myself to the F/As and th
79 Jean Leloup : This thread has been archived. It was an interesting topic at first, but it has quickly degraded, with far too many personal messages and too much bic
80 Eilennaei : "Eilennaei's post at the least very, very insensitive and immature. At the most disgusting, period." Frankly, I don't get your criticism. Did I mentio
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