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Did This Really Happen On A BA Flight?  
User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17469 times:

I saw this posted somewhere on the Internet. Can anybody confirm if it's true. So here it is:

scene took place on a BA (British Airways) flight between Johannesburg and London. A white woman, about 50 years old, was seated next to a black man. Obviously disturbed by this, she called the air hostess.

"Madam, what is the matter," the hostess asked.

"You obviously do not see it then?" she
responded.

"You placed me next to a black man. I do not agree to sit next to someone from such a repugnant group. Give me an alternative seat."

"Be calm please," the hostess replied. "Almost all the places on this flight are taken. I will go to see if another place is available."

The Hostess went away and then came back a few minutes later.

"Madam, just as I thought, there are no other available seats in the economy class. I spoke to the captain and he informed me that there is also no seat in the business class. All the same, we still have one place in the first class."

Before the woman could say anything, the hostess continued, "It is not usual for our company to permit someone from the economy class to sit in the first class. However, given the circumstances,
the captain feels that it would be scandalous to make someone sit next to someone so disgusting."

She turned to the black man and said "Therefore, Sir, if you would like to, please collect your hand luggage, a seat awaits you in
first class."

At that moment, the other passengers who were shocked by what they had just witnessed stood up and applauded. This is a true story. If you are against racism, please repost this message

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User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17373 times:

I read that somewhere too. Kudos to the Captain and crew!!!!!!!


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User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17333 times:

Well,

My ex-girlfriends, 2nd cousin's (by adoption) former babysitter's ex-college roomate's step mother's personal trainer was on the flight and said that it happened.

To make a long story short, there is no proof that this ever happened. I have read it several times on here over the past few years.

So in conclusion, I would have to say no, it is a rumour that has made it's way around the board a few times.


Robbie



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17299 times:

Airplane Peanut - Im with you on that.
AAFLT1871 - It might be true, we just might not even know.
Armitage Shanks- hahaha, i like that.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17257 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 3):
She must have been an American.


You have just proved you know absolutely nothing about world history.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17240 times:

Quoting JrMafia90 (Thread starter):
This is a true story. If you are against racism, please repost this message


Well, I'm against racism as much as anyone, but according to http://www.snopes.com/travel/airline/obnox.htm it's bogus... (Scroll down to the -second- 1998 item mid-page...)


User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17218 times:

My applause to BA!!  cool 


oneworld alliance revolves around you
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17200 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 3):
She must have been an American.


You have just proved you know absolutely nothing about world history.


What did that have to do with history? It was making fun of the Europeans' views on Americans.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17175 times:

JrMafia90,

Let me see if I follow you...

You're against racism:

Quoting JrMafia90 (Reply 4):
Airplane Peanut - Im with you on that.


But (with ArmitageShanks) support unprovoked slurs on other cultures:

Quoting JrMafia90 (Reply 4):
Armitage Shanks- hahaha, i like that.


What moral should we learn from you?



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17166 times:

I actually think it did happened because if my memory serves me correctly, my 9th grade World Geography teacher had a newspaper article when it happened. Of course, my memory ain't the best either.

Also remember that this took place right after South Africa outlawed segregation.

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17149 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 9):
What moral should we learn from you?


Oh please, stop trying to compare blatant racism with just poking fun at Europeans. The moral is that you shouldn't take everything so seriously, and you should get a sense of humor.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17132 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):

What did that have to do with history?


Let's point out some key things here from the original post story that might help clarify the historical aspect:

-flight starts in JNB

-JNB, of course, is in South Africa, a country with a long history of racial problems, including this one little thing the world likes to call "apartheid"

-Therefore, the obvious conclusion is that the woman in question is likely a white South African who still harbors negative feelings towards blacks

Greg



Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17114 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
What did that have to do with history? It was making fun of the Europeans' views on Americans.


Um, first off, that is not the average view of Americans. Second, making light of something related to aparthid is not cool. If he knew about history, he would have not made light of it.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17108 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 12):
Let's point out some key things here from the original post story that might help clarify the historical aspect:

-flight starts in JNB

-JNB, of course, is in South Africa, a country with a long history of racial problems, including this one little thing the world likes to call "apartheid"

-Therefore, the obvious conclusion is that the woman in question is likely a white South African who still harbors negative feelings towards blacks


I was talking about reply 5. I know full well what the original story has to do with history.  Wink

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17081 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Um, first off, that is not the average view of Americans. Second, making light of something related to aparthid is not cool. If he knew about history, he would have not made light of it.


He in no way made light of apartheid. He was simply making fun of Europeans in the current day and age over their view of Americans.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17066 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 11):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 9):
What moral should we learn from you?


Oh please, stop trying to compare blatant racism with just poking fun at Europeans. The moral is that you shouldn't take everything so seriously, and you should get a sense of humor.


I'm not offended, just confused by the mixed messages being sent. The difficulty is understanding when blatant bigotry toward any race or culture should be accepted as a joke just because the offender declares it to be so. Racism and cultural bigotry differ only in degree, not essence. It's natural to "have a sense of humour" when your jokes are at others' expense.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17062 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 11):
stop trying to compare blatant racism with just poking fun at Europeans.


Well, considering that it was a European who showed this kind of kindness (the BA F/A), from a country that has a general population that is overwhelmingly against US policy, I would think they could seperate this.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17027 times:

Excerpted from the Snopes link in reply #6...

Origins: That all of the preceeding tales are likely apocryphal doesn't lessen our enjoyment of them. It's a rare traveller indeed who hasn't good-naturedly faced a long delay at check-in only to see some jerk try to jump to the head of the line, and it's an even rarer individual who hasn't been seated on a flight next to someone he'd like to see sucked out the window.

At different times the stories are circulated anew with their details altered. For instance, the story we recorded in 1998 about the racist woman on the British Airways flights out of Johannesburg came back for another round in 2004, this time purporting to be about a white woman on a flight between Saskatoon and Calgary.

We'd like to believe virtue will be rewarded and the patient among us will eventually get the level of service we deserve. However, bitter reality often goes the other way — it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil, hence it's the line jumper and obnoxious passenger who receive special treatment, not us. Legends such as the ones above help to set the world to rights. Even if they never happened, we'd like to think they did and thus gain a measure of comfort from them. Somewhere — maybe only in the realm of legend — someone is standing up to horrid people.

Unfortunately, such legends, though they have their uses in helping us feel better about our world, can also prove damaging and hurtful to those tarred by their brush. In 2001, Hubbard Foods of New Zealand, a company that produces breakfast cereal, erred by including the "South African woman seated next to a Black man" legend as a travel story in a children's newsletter inserted in boxes of its product. The tale had been selected for inclusion as an uplifting story imbued with a moral message, and no one thought to check its accuracy.

South Africans living in New Zealand were outraged by it. They saw the leaflet as unfairly painting them as racist, furthering an apartheid-era stereotype that is no longer valid. Hubbard Foods apologized but claimed it was too late and far too expensive to withdraw the boxes from store shelves.


User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17003 times:

Whatever it is.. it deserves a definite "aww"! lol. Not much more to say..

User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16872 times:

The old ones are the best . . . this story is totally fiction and at least a '100' years old!


Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3647 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16805 times:

Jesus Christ people... I'm poking fun at how the world automatically says it's the USA's fault when something negative/bad happens in the world. Hell, my dad is from Europe. I love it over there, but the response is typical.

It's called a joke...

Oh, and Newark777, I added you to my RR list because you get it.


User currently offlineFlighttime From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16498 times:

There is one of a clutch of urban myths (all broadly similar) that purport to have happened within most major airlines. This is most definitely one of them. Making up juicy stories is just one of the ways we crew help pass long night sectors!

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16467 times:

This is such an urban myth - NEVERRRRR happened. Even under apartheid, air travel was never segregated.

User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16412 times:

But it is the USA`s fault, all of it Big grin, especially their fault Notts Forest are so wanky at footy at the moment  Sad !

Cheers.



Untouched and Alive
User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16409 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 18):
Hubbard Foods of New Zealand, a company that produces breakfast cereal


The owner/CEO of Hubbard Foods is now the Mayor of Auckland city.  scratchchin 


25 Col : How many running engines did it finish the flight with?
26 Schooner : Oooh, thats a bit cheeky Col!
27 Bongo : It seems to me like this is just one more " Urband legend" or a Myth, can someone really really confirm if this story is true or false ?
28 Emrecan : BRAVOOOO CAPTAIN.. !!!! I appreciate you............ you did a great job.
29 Post contains images Pe@rson : Fact or fiction, it deserves a huge: NICE ONE!
30 GodBless : I agree. Have heard the story a few times already, happening on nearly all possible routes (same situation, different flights). A great story, and st
31 SFOMEX : This is an urban legend you wish it'd have happened. Nonetheless, I wonder if the apartheid was extended to SAA during those dark years.
32 JGPH1A : Answer: No it wasn't, at least not on board the aircraft. There never was any segregation of flight services, either domestic or international. The o
33 Post contains images Monkeyboi : I reckon it probably did happen, but maybe the dialogue has been a bit exaggerated. I have never had a problem on any of the BA flights i've worked on
34 Jonty : All this crap about Americans being racist towards Europeans, take it with a pinch of salt people! But I also understand that if a European said somet
35 Post contains links Tockeyhockey : http://www.snopes.com/travel/airline/obnox.htm looks like it's an adaptation of an urban legend. it's not true, and if you had any sense, you would kn
36 JGPH1A : See the post earlier - the answer is no, there was never segregation on any SAA or South African carrier flights. This was because air transport (eve
37 Ejpilot : If the event really happened, then I have nothing but praise for the crew over how the situation was handled!
38 Post contains images DeltaWings : I didn't quite catch on... ~DeltaWings
39 Amy : The story, if originally true, would be changed from the actual event by the mouths of those who were there telling it to their friends etc. People ex
40 Post contains images N751PR : Hmm one variation I heard was that it was a SAA flight...
41 Usair320 : Yes i am strongly against racism and do not like people like this
42 MCI777 : I think we all like stories like this even if they are legend because it makes us feel like there is justice in the world. When racism is blatant, we
43 Post contains images Aogdesk : This may have started with a smidgen of relevancy to aviation, but now its a Racism 101 forum!! Can't we just all get along???
44 LAPA_SAAB340 : ...Since America was one of the first places slavery was abolished... I'm off-topic, but I thought I'd add a comment on this. America did not abolish
45 JGPH1A : One of the first ? Try one of the last. Slavery was abolished in France and her colonies during the Revolution in 1789. Slavery was abolished by Brit
46 Chris7217 : The crew of this BA flight did a great job! It's a shame and very sad indeed that racism is still a matter in this todays world. Chris
47 AAFLT1871 : I was just making a joke as to how many times I have heard of this myth. Nobody has first hand knowledge if it ever happened or not, a few people hav
48 UairFokker : The BA crew behaved fantastic! An applause for them. Regards,
49 Boeing727flyer : I used to work for BA and it is ture.
50 Luisca : Hey all of you fighting over the Europeans say or the Americans say, Would you just chill out and enjoy the JOKE that Armitage made. Racism is not the
51 Post contains images Morvious : Hat off to the BA crew! To bad they didn't putt the woman off the plane! No room for such people in my life. Cheers!!
52 A340600 : Wicked behaviour by the F/A, what a way to handle it! That behaviour by her is absolutely disgusting, Sam
53 VEEREF : Actually US insulting European and vice versa wouldn't technically be "racism" by definition.............
54 VC-10 : Probably on a.net. This has been posted here many times
55 Jsqvl1 : I've heard the same history with Avianca, Varig and LAN!![Edited 2005-03-09 22:01:03]
56 Manu : Amy, your analogy between A vs B, what does that make Canada? Bombardier?
57 Jeffrey1970 : I don't know if this story is true, but if it is I applaud the crew of that flight for taking a stand against racisim.
58 Schipholjfk : Although I do not know the story mentioned here ever happened or not, however, strange things do happen on airliners. Few years back I flew back from
59 Daron4000 : Congrats to BA!! Good job! We must conquer the fight against racism.
60 Flighttime : Why is everyone 'congartulating' the BA crew, when many have already said that it is NOT TRUE! There are numerous websites that investigate urban myth
61 FLflyguy : I have no idea if the original story is true, although I have heard it for years. In fact, I "learned" from the story once and put its lessons into pr
62 Spike : My 'blond' colleague (Ann Smeed) on an Accra-LGW flight got herself moved up to first because she told the stewardess that the black man beside her wa
63 MCI777 : The fact is that this story could be repeated using any minority or group that is discriminated against, i.e. homosexuals, overweight people, ugly peo
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