1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7575 times:
there is a lot more to the cost of operating an airplane than just the acquisition cost. Crew training, spare parts, the little seat back briefing cards...it all adds up, having only one type of plane is cost effective
I was on a WN 73G from SNA-LAS yesterday, let me tell you, it was 40 dollars cheaper and waaaaay more comfortable than a CRJ with "another" airline
Erikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7483 times:
exp as EXPecial??? or as express???
WN discovered a way to make money in such a competitive market specially the American one, with so many carriers.
What they could do is create a feeder carrier, with small turboprops like
EMB-120, then we would see WN in the backyard of your neighboors
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Skywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7372 times:
I go with KDTWFlyer. It is all about fleet commonality. And why try out another aircraft when your safety record is so clean. The 737 has proven itself to be a dependedent and efficient aircraft for WN. I think in the future they might buy some of Boeing's new single-aisle 737 replacements though.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6809 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7156 times:
Quoting Ssides (Reply 6): FLL-TPA, DAL-HOU, AUS-HOU, AUS-DAL, SAN-LAS, LAX-LAS, PHX-LAS, etc. etc. are always packed. They'd need to do 100 daily flights on each of these routes just to match the demand.
Does someone have numbers on TPA-JAX/FLL/PBI flights? I doubt that they are packed unless its non tag-end traffic.
I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
Flyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7047 times:
I would imagine that economy wise, a 30-40 minute flight on a fairly full 737 is economically comparable or better than 2-3 flights on the same route with an express jet. That takes care of the logic all by itself.
I have flown OAK-RNO, which is a 45-50 min flight, several times and they are always full.
Navairjax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6715 times:
I just got back from a JAX-FLL-JAX run this weekend both flights were full(although there were some pax continuing from ORF on the JAX-FLL leg). I don't know how midweek loads are but the lowest I have had on any of my FLL flights was a half full plane on a Saturday morning. (I fly down there 4-5 times a year) I havn't done a JAX-TPA since early 2003 but again I do remember a full flight on the Sunday evening.
UA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6385 times:
One good part of their 737 fleet is that they are able to run such a short route and then turn that same a/c around on a longer route that will connect to another flight. They keep to airports with major numbers of their a/c and are still able to keep their low low low prices. I have seen it happen many times with UA while @ their MX center.
A good example was of a United 767-300ER that flew HNL-LAX-DEN. It arrived DEN and required a peace for its upcoming flight the following day. The a/c would fly DEN-HNL the following morning. By the time the a/c had arrived, de-plained, and headed towards the MX the 6:00 SFO-DEN flight had boarded and departed. After the peace was located the 8:00 SFO-DEN had boarded and was being held at the gate for this peace. A bunch of dudes run to the gate to put the peace on the a/c and find that the a/c is an Airbus and isn't long enough to carry the 11ft peace.
Having the last SFO-DEN flight left and an 11ft peace of metle that needed to get to DEN by 7am (the mx needed something like 3 hours before the a/c was due at the gate) the MX guys were a bit stumped and asked the stores if the part was correct. The part was correct so they ended up sending the peace in the belly of a United 757 SFO-ORD arriving ORD just after 5am. After it arrived in ORD it would get on another 757 and fly ORD-DEN and arrive DEN by 8am. They pushed the DEN flight back the proper amount of hours and the flight took off some time late.
The point of this is that United and other airlines a like suffer the most from having to deal with set backs such as an a/c not being big enough to fit a peace to another down a/c at another airport or unpredicted peaces and flights. WN has made it so that no matter what flight, be it a 30 min hop or a 5 hour x-country that they are dealing with the same a/c, same engines, same peaces, same restrictions (to a degree), etc. To be honest I can see WN throwing back any express a/c they purchase, if they do at all, b/c of the trouble the crews and mx alike will deal with. What they have built and what they continue to use is a system that is hard to beat and only proves to help the airline.
It's b/c of this a/c that they have cash in the bank and its that reason why they buy more and more a/c. It also allows for future plans in their route map. They don't have to feel the restriction of a certain a/c on routes. Now they can't push it like US-EU routes but they're not in that market to begin with.
If anything its why would they order express a/c. They are successful with such an a/c in their feet in such large numbers. It makes working around them easier, fixing them easier, and most of all operating them easier. And they choose an a/c that has a bullet proof rep. and proves, to this day, to be one of the safest a/c in the skies today. The NG's haven't had ONE fatal accident in it's history, talk about bragging rights.
Sure there might be a need for a smaller a/c but why mess something that's perfect? If its working don't mess with it.
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6027 times:
Southwest I suspect does not buy into the Express fable where you pay someone a guaranteed price on routes you cannot make a profit on yourself. That just means the Express carrier turns out to be more profitable than you.
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
: Hello all True, but PBI-TPA is almost always full with people that transfer in TPA to other destinations. Cheers swatpamike
: To answer the original queston...Southwest is going to put an order for a few A380s
: WN in my opinion does not need the express planes...all it would do is add diversity to their fleet, which is breaking with a tradition that has serve
: I'm going to trust WN's judgement over yours on this one. It has been said over and over again, pick your cliche: fleet commonality If it ain't broke
: "True, but PBI-TPA is almost always full with people that transfer in TPA to other destinations." PBI-TPA ran an average load factor of 55% in 2004.
: Another short flight (45 minutes scheduled but flight time around 20 minutes) is BNA-BHM, flown 3x daily. I've taken this flight numerous times, and i