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SA Tentative Service To IAD And Reintroduces B744  
User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5088 times:
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Its at least semi official - SAA has just announced a tentative schedule from IAD - their 3rd U.S. gateway.

They will be reintroducing 3-cabin B744 operations on the new IAD flight.
Service will be four days a week via ACC although no local traffic rights initially due to existing bilateral.

Tentative Schedule:

Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun
SA209 dept JNB 1840, arrv ACC 2245, dept ACC 2345, arrv IAD 0645 +1

Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat
SA208 dept IAD 0845, arrv ACC 2255, dept ACC 2355, arrv JNB 0740 +1

This is completely supplementary to existing schedule. There are no planned reductions at this time from either JFK which will retain daily A343 service and ATL which will retain daily A346 service


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

this will be one of a few daylight US-Transatlantic services i see... and only 2 hours ground time in IAD

TWA902



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5019 times:
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Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 1):
this will be one of a few daylight US-Transatlantic services i see...


Actually, the current ATL-JNB service is also a morning departure... it just has a lot further to go.

SA210 dept ATL 1030, arrv JNB 1020 +1



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

i understand, i was just stating that there are not very many of these flights, a couple JFK-LHRs and 1 ORD-LHR is all i can think of, maybe air france has one to CDG... i guess these arent really daylight seeing as how they end up being overnight even though they stop in ACC and SID

TWA902



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

There is a daylight IAD-LHR.

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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4857 times:
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There are two daylight IAD-LHRs.... one by BA, and one by UA.

BA 224 with a 777-200
UA 922 with a 767-300

-AA777


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Has SAA's codeshare with DL officially ended already? If so, I am surprised that they are staying in Atlanta and not moving the flight to Miami or Ft. Lauderdale, where I understand there is a large South African population. Oh well...maybe they will...they know more than I do.

User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4816 times:
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I've not heard that SA's codeshare with DL is ending anytime soon. They are keeping all existing service as is for the time being. There are no plans to move the flight to MIA or FLL because as large as the S.A population might be, they are not large enough to maintain daily service, and there isn't sufficient feed via either airport to fill the remaining seats.

SA's experience with MIA found that they were competing for AA domestic feed with the cruise lines, with AA's Latin America network, and for the strong nationwide demand for the Florida destinational market. Quite often at peak periods, the MIA flight left with seats open because all flights to MIA were completely full.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2333 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Daylight flights from North America right now are:

JFK-LHR:BA,AA,

BOS-LHR:BA,AA

IAD-LHR:BA,UA

ORD-LHR:AA

YYZ-LHR:AC

EWR-LHR:VS,BA



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4762 times:
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We're talking about the new SA service here, not about daylight flights. This thread is in danger of being hijacked. If you want to discuss daylight flights, please start another thread.


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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4742 times:

Even though I really like the night departure from JFK better than this tentative schedule or the morning departure from ATL, I'll be happy to fly this flight if it indeed is on the B744. This isn't an A vs B thing, it's just that SA's A340's are *SO* uncomfortable.


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User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4724 times:

Great news

I love the SAA 744 service, when this becomes official,it'll have me changing my upcoming trip from ATL-JNB to IAD-JNB , yes, just to fly the 744 Big grin
I was considering flying BA premium ecomomy (world Traveller plus), but now I'll go SAA and sit upstairs in economy or often referred to as poor mans business class.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2333 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4692 times:

If you want to discuss daylight flights, please start another thread.

Take a chill pill, your precious thread is not being "Hijacked". Just stating what daylight flights there are.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4640 times:

While SAA isn't planning MIA-CPT/JNB service, an unnamed South African airline has said they plan to start MIA-CPT-JNB in 2006, once they acquire long-haul aircraft. Service would opeate 4x a week. Of course, I'm not going to hold my breathe, but I'd be very happy to see it happen and they could very well find success using an A340-300.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...kages/business_monday/10939085.htm

O&D between Miami and South Africa is over 200 people per day, and Miami is the third largest US market to Africa after, no surprises here, New York City and Washington, D.C.


Good to see SAA at IAD...there is excellent market potential. Also, hopefully they will get rights on the IAD-ACC sector, because that is another sector with huge potential for traffic.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4752 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4599 times:

SAA will get 5th freedom rights on ACC-IAD-ACC route once the US-Ghana open skies treaty is fully finalized which is expected to happen this winter. When it does happen and SAA have these rights, they have the potential of milking $$$ on ACC-IAD-ACC O&D traffic as well as interline connections from ACC to other major West African cities through GIA.

User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
an unnamed South African airline has said they plan to start MIA / KMIA), USA - Florida">MIA-CPT / FACT), South Africa">CPT-JNB / FAJS), South Africa">JNB in 2006, once they acquire long-haul aircraft.

Well, if it isn't SAA, which since they need long-haul aircraft, it can't be, then I'd say Nationwide. They were pretty good when I flew them from JNB-CPT & return. It would be nice to see them in the US.

[Edited 2005-03-10 03:31:26]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4507 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 14):
SAA will get 5th freedom rights on ACC-IAD-ACC route once the US-Ghana open skies treaty is fully finalized which is expected to happen this winter.

It goes into effect at the end of March 2006.



a.
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

The early departure in IAD makes me wonder. It is not very comfortable to be at an airport for an international departure before 9 o'clock.
And if the new codeshare with UA will once come into effect, this departure doesn't offer a lot of good connections.
Why not depart at noon and have an early morning arrival in ACC for being in JNB in the afternoon?


User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4393 times:



Quoting JoFMO (Reply 17):
The early departure in IAD makes me wonder. It is not very comfortable to be at an airport for an international departure before 9 o'clock.
And if the new codeshare with UA will once come into effect, this departure doesn't offer a lot of good connections.
Why not depart at noon and have an early morning arrival in ACC for being in JNB in the afternoon?

Well said, SAA does the same thing with the ATL flight which departs at 10:30am?!? It is impossible to connect to this flight unless you live in the immediate area (ie> short connection), or catch a redeye arriving at 5-6am. What I normally end up doing is flying to ATL the night before and spending the night in a hotel- which ruins the whole benefit of not having to travel through Europe?!!! It almost makes more sense to fly to Europe the night before and connect down to JNB(it saves on hotel and transfers) the following day. Anyway what do I know? Big grin



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

I thought their 6 remaining B744s were all tied up for LHR services. Does this move mean that they will either hold on to extra B744 capacity (I don't know if or when excess B744 capacity has already left SAAs fleet), or start operating the A346 on some of their Heathrow flights? This IAD schedule could be helpful to boost the rather low average daily utilization rate of the 744s, three of which sit on the ground at Heathrow for the better part of any given day.

User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

will this complete the current 4weekly a340 or are they replacing them?


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Word has it that many airlines at IAD (Dulles)...Star Alliance, SA, Ethiopian, Aeroflot.... are asking United to submit bids to provide customer service and ground handling. United is reluctant, however, because it is having a hard time hiring enough part employees to cover its existing schedule at Dulles. Low pay, no full time opportunities, lousy hours which conflict with employees who want to work two jobs are the reasons for the inability to find staff.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Well said, SAA does the same thing with the ATL flight which departs at 10:30am?!? It is impossible to connect to this flight unless you live in the immediate area (ie> short connection), or catch a redeye arriving at 5-6am.

Virtually every city east of the mississippi that DL serves nonstop from ATL has at least one flight that puts you into ATL by 9am.


User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

This is great!
I was bummed when USAfrica(E8) went under, they used to have IAD-SID-JNB service on an MD-11.



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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Is there any start up date for SAA in Star Alliance? The morning departure from IAD is not good I think. That does not allow any connections fro other cities. I think it would be much better to have a later departure to draw more non O&D from just IAD.

25 AT502B : Really?? I know that! Thats my whole point- what if you live West of the Mississippi?
26 Mymiles2go : Despite what others are saying above - the 9AM time is the best hub time for this flight aside from the 5PM hub time. United operates 4 hub times per
27 Post contains images SA7700 : With the JFK-JNB service stopping over in DKR, many passengers connecting to domestic or regional flights gets screwed. SA204 is scheduled for arriva
28 PA110 : You might want to check your facts before making such blanket statments. the 8:45 am departure will make the following inbound connections: UA204 fro
29 Soups : if this goes ahead what will happen to the current JNB-ACC A340? will it be replaced by the 744? and if yes what will happen to abidjan service as it
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