Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3893 times:
Well, that may be all and good, but I can't help but think that PIT should try to lure WN into opening an east coast mx base there. Maybe it's just me, but the potential for it is amazing, especially if US goes under. The facilities exist, plus the airport has room to expand, unlike BWI or PHL.
And, and I know that I'm going to catch holy hell for this, Airbus should stay in Europe, Boeing in America, Embraer in Brazil, etc.
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Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15872 posts, RR: 66 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3870 times:
Quoting Ntspelich (Reply 1): And, and I know that I'm going to catch holy hell for this, Airbus should stay in Europe, Boeing in America, Embraer in Brazil, etc.
Yes you are going to catch hell for it
While I can sort of understand the sentiment, inhabitants of Europe AND the USA will, on the whole, be better off with free movement of capital and labor. This sort of competition is healthy. Trade barriers are not.
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DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3505 times:
Quoting Ntspelich (Reply 1): And, and I know that I'm going to catch holy hell for this, Airbus should stay in Europe, Boeing in America, Embraer in Brazil, etc
If it means that Lockheed, Northrup or some other American company gets in on the airframe construction and it creates high paying/high tech jobs in America, then fine. It would be like the Boeing-BAE tanker bid that they did in the UK last year that recently failed.
If Boeing has lost it, it is their own stupid fault.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10471 posts, RR: 20 Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3452 times:
I don't think the tanker deal will happen at all.
Before 9/11, USAF was saying there was no need to replace the tankers till 2040.
After 9/11, with the funky leasing deal, USAF found they could get the tankers without paying for them up front, and were all for that. And of course the ones in Congress driving the deal were from Washington state, home of Boeing. Win-win for everyone but the taxpayers.
Now that Boeing has gotten caught with its hand in the cookie jar, and there's almost no chance of a leasing deal getting through Congress, I think we'll see the USAF say that they don't need tankers for quite a while yet, at least till they have both F-22 and F-35 programs fully funded.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3200 times:
Allegheny County is already working on trying to woo WN on the maintenance base. That along with every other aviation maintenance company on the planet with more than one wrench in their toolbox. I doubt that EADS will ever get much of the tanker deal when something gets put together but they may well get some portion. In any case, Im all for anything that benefits the region. Im also for anything that breaks down all the xenophobia that seems to be sprouting up everywhere these days. Large multinationals are good for helping to break down both trade barriers and and to a lesser degree some of the rampant nationalism we see.
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
The F22 and F35 will never be fully funded. One of them will get cut, and it will likely be the F22.
The most taxed airframes in the inventory right now are the tanker force, perhaps the rotary wing fleets are a close second. I would look for the tanker deal to happen, far in advance of any major funding for full rate production of the F35.
No, not at all. In fact, if you knew me you'd know that I'm probably the farthest thing from a xenophobe. And I'm by no means swept up in the river of nationalism that seems to be going across America.
I've never gotten into the whole A v B thing, and I'm not trying to get into here. I just think that market segmentation is a good thing. Maybe I fear that if they're all producing within the same borders that there will be no variation in a/c anymore. I mean, it's not like when McD and Boeing were working side by side, one making 3-holers and then other 4. That was differentiating your product. Other than the 744/380 dispute over what airlines want, I dont' see too much different between them, and am afraid that soon it'll be hard to tell the difference.
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EMBRAER ERJ 145 PLATFORM SELECTED AS PART OF WINNING BID ON U.S. ARMY AERIAL COMMON SENSOR PROGRAM
Embraer, part of the Lockheed Martin team, will provide its ERJ 145 platform for the U.S. Army’s next-generation battlefield surveillance system called Aerial Common Sensor (ACS) under a Systems Development and Demonstration (SDD) contract awarded yesterday.
Under the US$879 million SDD contract, the team will deliver five certified, mission ready airborne ISR systems, with initial testing planned for 2006. The balance of the effort would be performed under a follow-on low rate initial production contract anticipated in 2007, followed by a full rate production contract in 2009. The full contract has a potential value for the Lockheed Martin team of more than US$7 billion over the life of the expected 20-year program.
“The U.S. Army has chosen a system, and an airframe, that will provide unmatched capability, economics, performance and growth – all of which will directly enhance the performance of U.S. Army ground forces in any part of the world they may deploy,” said Embraer President and CEO Maurício Botelho.“With more than 800 units in operation and 5.5 million of in-flight hours, the well matured ERJ 145 platform has accumulated impressive reliability, dispatch, and safety records, which, combined with its low acquisition and operating costs, make it especially attractive for special applications like the ACS Program. Embraer is very excited to be a part of this team, and also to be moving forward with our plans for opening a new assembly facility in Jacksonville.”
Embraer today broke ground on a new aircraft assembly facility at Cecil Commerce Center, with Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and Jacksonville Mayor John Peyton among other distinguished guests manning ceremonial shovels with Embraer President and CEO Maurício Botelho. The facility, scheduled for completion in 2005, will be dedicated to supporting U.S. defense and homeland security programs.
“In 2004, Embraer celebrates its 35th anniversary and the first 25 years of continuous presence in the United States,” said Maurício Botelho. “It is of great relevance that also in 2004, we start to build our Jacksonville facility, which will bring new, high-technology jobs to the local community, and clearly attest to our long-term commitment to satisfying the needs of U.S. defense and homeland security programs with highly efficient, reliable and low cost products. With this new investment, Embraer is proud to strengthen its presence in the great state of Florida.”
“Embraer has been a strong corporate citizen for over 25 years in Florida, and today's groundbreaking at Cecil Commerce Center solidifies their commitment to our state well into the future,” said Governor Bush. “In selecting Florida, Embraer clearly understands the benefits offered by our pro-business climate and highly skilled workforce - assets it will need to successfully manufacture its next generation airborne surveillance systems. I applaud the entire Florida team on its win of the Aerial Common Sensor contract, and thank Embraer, the U.S. Army, and the Department of Defense for their commitment to assist in the reuse of Cecil Field.”
“We are delighted to have Embraer in Jacksonville, and look forward to a long-term relationship as the company continues to grow and expand,” said Jacksonville Mayor John Peyton.
The Embraer facility, with some 71,000 square feet of shop and office space, will be used to assemble aircraft based on the company’s well matured and reliable ERJ 145 regional jet platform. The first project slated for the new building is the U.S. Army’s Aerial Common Sensor program, a next-generation battlefield surveillance system.
Embraer is part of the Lockheed Martin team recently chosen by the Army to develop the ACS system. Lockheed Martin and its partners, including L-3 Communications, Harris Corp., Argon Engineering, General Dynamics, BAE Systems, and Raytheon, were awarded the initial $879 million System Development and Demonstration contract on August 2. Harris Corp. also has its corporate headquarters in Florida.
With follow-on production contracts, the program should reach 38 aircraft for the Army and be worth more than $7 billion to the team. The U.S. Navy has also indicated its commitment to the ACS system as an EP-3 replacement, which would add 19 aircraft to the program.
Reynolds, Smith and Hills architects of Jacksonville are designing the new facility, located on a 40-acre site at Cecil Commerce Center. The Jacksonville Airport Authority will choose a general contractor after an open bidding process. The facility will be ready to open late next year.
Partners for the Embraer project include the State of Florida, the Jacksonville Airport Authority, the Jacksonville Economic Development Commission, and the City of Jacksonville.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
Well considering the several days old strike at the Lockheed-Martin plant @ KMGE, there has been rumors of the production line of the F/A-22 being moved to another L-M plant, and in light of the rumors of the DoD cutting the number of C-130s and F/A-22s, the lease L-M has with the USAF on the plant could be cancelled, leaving a sizable workforce and a huge factory empty. If this comes to pass, the plant could be a good location for EADS to take over to build the tanker version of the A-330.
252MKR From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2942 times:
I say we give the tanker program to the Airbus group. The PIT geography needs jobs. Also, the U.S. needs to be kooler to Europe, if we want better relations and "pull-though" for strategic endeavors.
Between this deal, the presidential helos, and Condie Rice's speech at Sciences Po' in Paris--we are making a good start. I would not be surprised to see France start helping us out where we need it (maybe not publicly though).
With all of the Boeing orders this year relative to Airbus--B should not be hurting.
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OzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2598 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2881 times:
Airbus, and for that matter Boeing, have already got 'plants' of sorts on each other's turf: a huge proportion of the A380 for example is assembled from parts made in the US and likewise Boeings from European parts. The plants are just those of subcontractors rather than the manufacturer itself.
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
Georgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 544 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2848 times:
A friend of mine reported the Manchester Union Leader( New Hampshires largest paper)reported that the former United States Airforce Base at Newmarket(Known as Pease AFB)management authority was talking with airbus about using the facility as their North American base.Although the authority managing the facilty has hyped various other aviation hopes nothing has ever materialized
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
He's my two cents.
Lets have the US Congress ok the bill to spend your money and mine with another foreign company. We are doing it now at a record pace so why not with US Military airplanes? The USA has a serious problem with outsourcing work overseas. We are no longer a manufacturing leader. Those days are gone and will not return. Steel is imported, 57 percent of our motor vehicles not counting motorcycles are imported. Clothing is as we Americans know is from everyplace but the USA. I saw on TV tonight China imported 18 million T-Shirts to the USA in January alone. Last year was less then one million for the same month. Send a letter or E mail to your congressman and urge him/her to give the tanker contract to Airbus.....
How friggin stupid can we Americans be?
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