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Possible CX 773ER & 747ADV Order  
User currently offlineMetsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 141 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11618 times:

In this mornings ATW Online it mentioned that Cathay was looking to expand its fleet due to record growth. It says that they are looking to purchase new long haul aircraft and is favoring the 773ER & 747ADV with an order for both types expected soon.

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11527 times:

"CX to order 747ADV soon".....

Any info/pics of this 747 yet???

Micke/SE  zzz 



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User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

I'd be suprised. I thought i heard they've extended their Trent 500 maintenance contracts with RR.

[Edited 2005-03-10 14:25:57]

User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11433 times:
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That was the same Journalist who claimed QF ordered 777s and they then went and ordered A380s & A330s. His other claim to fame is QR ordering the 773ER "in bulk" only one he got right was SQ.

When CX & Boeing confirm I'll believe it, until then we continue to wait!

Regards



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8039 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11416 times:

I think it's likely that CX may order the A340-600HGW and return their early-production A340-600's back to the lessor. CX still expresses concerns about the performance of the A380-800 and will probably wait until 2007-2008 time frame to order that plane.

User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11328 times:

Rj111, The maintenance contract was for 5 years for the current three A340-600s. This isn't an indication of things to come, just that any ordered aircraft will not arrive in time to take over the HKG-JFK route anyway.

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11311 times:

CX Flyboi, is 'CXboi' on Airwise you?

http://forum.airwise.com/forum/showt...55be91e930953221c2f1&threadid=6115

[Edited 2005-03-10 14:51:19]

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11289 times:

That is exciting news. I certainly hope the 747Adv does get off the ground...I don't want to see Boeing's monopoly of the jumbo market change to an Airbus monopoly. I would rather see two companies competing to build the biggest jumbo, or rather, see the 747 and A380 coexisting together  spin 


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

I agree with Thrust, I'd like to see the B-747-ADV get off the ground too. The next B-747 can coexist with the A-380.

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11226 times:

The 747 Adv needs a nice order before the board will approve it at Boeing, so lets hope this report is correct. Otherwise, someone in Japan will have to order it to get it going. I have not heard or read of any interest in Europe, and the North American airlines are in no condition to order anything more expensive than styrofoam cups.


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11155 times:

tought that CX didn't want to fly 2 engines on long haul?..... (see, 777-300ER)

User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11018 times:

Would the 773ER be the first GE powered aircraft operated by Cathay Pacific other than during a short term lease? The only exceptions might be the old 990s and 707s from long ago. It would be interesting to see CX go from a sole RR operator to operating all three within a few years. I realize that using different engines is not necessarily a bad or extremely expensive undertaking when considering aircraft performance or acquisition costs, I just thought that it would be interesting. As with most big decisions these days that are anticipated to go towards one company or the other...I'll wait until they make the order to get excited.

User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 979 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10996 times:



Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 11):
The only exceptions might be the old 990s

I believe Cathay operated the 880, not the 990.

It would be nice to see them order the 773ER and 747ADV, but like to see the order confirmed by CX and Boeing before getting excited, as others have said.

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10968 times:

I wont believe until I see it. Just as PANAM_DC10 said, that particular journalist doesn't always get it right.

I can believe that CX might order the B747ADV but the B777-300ER, nah that aint happening.

Our Hongkong friends as well as our CX pilot can tell us how CX is reluctant to use twins on Long over water operations. Has this thinking changed?

We will have to wait and see folks.

Drew



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10933 times:



Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 12):
I believe Cathay operated the 880, not the 990.

You are correct, MD80Nut.

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 11):
Would the 773ER be the first GE powered aircraft operated by Cathay Pacific other than during a short term lease? The only exceptions might be the old 990s and 707s from long ago.

Don't forget the L1011s, although they weren't directly ordered from Lockheed.



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User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

Iowa744Fan: -

707 never used GE engine, in CX's case, they are JT3D engines. Soon CX would run 747 using all three engine makers anyway, 3 -200F uses GE already (HMD-F), whilst ex-SQ 400 uses PW.

Kev

[Edited 2005-03-10 17:27:15]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7004 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10877 times:



Quoting DIA (Reply 14):
Don't forget the L1011s, although they weren't directly ordered from Lockheed.

Which were also RR-powered (of course) and not GE...  Yeah sure


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10826 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Any info/pics of this 747 yet???

Here ya go......

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00004509


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10751 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Which were also RR-powered (of course) and not GE...

Thanks for the correction PMflamed 

I misread what I responded to, my fault.



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User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10700 times:

MD80nut,

Yep, you are correct, 880s not the 990s. As soon as I read that, I thought back to the book "Beyond Lion Rock" and remembered that it is the 880. Thanks for the correction.

B-HOP,

Thanks for the info about the 707s. I was not aware that Cathay operates some GE powered 742Fs. I looked in the photos and found two of them: V-HME and V-HMF. Who did they get these from? Have they had them in their fleet for a while? I am not trying to think if Cathay is (will be) the only airline to operate or ever operate the 747 with all three engine brands...either simultaneously or spread out.


As for the 880s, I found this on Wikipedia:
powered by General Electric CJ-805-3 turbojets (a civilian version of the famous J79 turbojet). After production the FAA mandated additional instrumentation, which they added by placing a "raceway" on the top of the fuselage, rather than ripping apart the interiors over the wing area.

The first production version, the Model 22, first flew on January 27, 1959 – there was no prototype testing. The design entered service with Delta Airlines just over a year later, in May 1960, slightly modified as the 880-22m with newer version 805-3B engines. They were flown by Alaska, Cathay Pacific, Delta, Japan, KLM, Northeast, Swissair, TWA and VIASA. Elvis Presley's private jet was an 880. The last aircraft was withdrawn from commercial service in 1974.


So, the 880s also used GE engines.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10632 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
"CX to order 747ADV soon".....

Any info/pics of this 747 yet???

Micke/SE

Yah, they're in the database along with the pics of the Airbus A305 and A350.

(not an Airbus bash, just teasing Solnabo for his "consistancy" Big grin)

-Dave



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10584 times:

PlanesNTrains: Just a guess here. Working for Oregon Pacific & Eastern Railway?


Also, remember that Cathay Pacific also operated Lockheed Electra L-188s.
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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10563 times:

I never stated my point. . .

So, referencing the Electra (above), those were Allison 501-D13 engines. So, they have had other manufacturers' engines. . .just an FYI.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2979 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9439 times:

The 742F that are GE-powered are Air Hong Kong aircraft. They are a subsidiary of CX.

As for the topic on hand, neither order seems justifiable. But crazier things have happened. As people have mentioned, lets hear it officially from CX or Boeing.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 21):
PlanesNTrains: Just a guess here. Working for Oregon Pacific & Eastern Railway?

No, a little further north. But still south of where the 747/777 are built.

-Dave



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25 Travellin'man : Actually, when the 773ER was doing flight tests, I remember seeing an interview with one of the CX honchos who said they were very interested in the p
26 PVD757 : I cannot see how they would order both the 773ER and 744 ADV. IMO, I believe they serve the same market. Could they be interested in a newer 747? Who
27 Scanorama : CX is always have interest on these 2 particular aircrafts and these rumors have been around for quite sometimes now, and we will find out whether it
28 CX flyboy : Carpethead, The GE aircraft are no longer operated by AHK, but fly for CX, under CX routes in cx colours. Rj111, No, it isn't me!
29 A40-TY : The L-1011's were all RR RB211-22B powered (the CX 747-267B's and -367's were powered by a derivative of this). In-fact CX did receive new L-1011's f
30 PM : And here, of course, is where this all started. Cathay originally wanted DC10s (with, I assume, CF6s) but the UK government of the day prevailed upon
31 Post contains images CXCPA : It will be the first time that CX consider Extended Range product. But it is better to wait SQ to sold the B773ER to them because SQ will replace thei
32 Iowa744Fan : The GE aircraft are no longer operated by AHK, but fly for CX, under CX routes in cx colours CX Flyboy, When did they repaint the old Air Hong Kong bi
33 Bartond : Does CX plan to open up new routes or just beef up existing routes with these new planes? Where might they expand when they get these planes?
34 Post contains images Ohlbu : It´s coming, it´s coming. JAL has sacked thousands of workers so they can order the 747Adv. As AF is a guaranteed Airbus customer the Japanese airl
35 Carpethead : CX flyboy, Thanks for the update. I did see the ex-AHK 742F in full CX color scheme recently. So AHK only operates A300-600Fs now?
36 CX flyboy : That is correct, AHK now only operate A300Fs. Not sure exactly when the 742Fs were repainted into CX colours, but it was last year sometime. You can s
37 PM : Iowa744fan, we read the same books! I don't know if you have any French people in Iowa but if you do I'd advise a certain caution before you call the
38 United Airline : Not really. AF has the B 777-300ER on order. And they are interested in the B 747 Advanced. Also they operate the B 777-200ER as well as B 747-400. S
39 N1120A : AF is one airline I really don't see going that way, as they already are getting A380s
40 SNATH : LH are getting A380s but are also interested in the B747Adv, if you believe the rumours. Tony
41 N1120A : That is because LH is has a rather large 747 fleet (more than twice AF) and love them. They also want them for LH cargo
42 Kaitak : I suppose CAL might be interested as well, being a 747-400F operator; probably even KE as well (although it's already ordered A380s). What surprises m
43 Post contains images SNATH : Not possible! They do not have sidesticks! How can LH love a plane with a yoke? Tony
44 PM : I'd be surprised. They used (and wasted) the -500 and -600 identities some years back. What about the -700 or -800? Or just the 747-400ADV?
45 Post contains images QFA001 : AF/KL may well be interested in the 747Adv. However, neither AF nor KL is one of the 12 airlines that Boeing has approached on the 747Adv. So, if the
46 Trex8 : >However, neither AF nor KL is one of the 12 airlines that Boeing has approached on the 747Adv so who are the "12"?
47 QFA001 : I don't have all 12. I have 9 but will only mention CX and CV. However, 11 of the 12 airlines are Asia-based. However, I might not be telling you muc
48 United Airline : What does CV stand for? BA, UA, QF, SQ, MH etc????? Well I am sure they can still order them even if they are not being approached
49 Cx251 : CV = Cargolux from Luxembourg Probably JAL is on the list as well. Other possible candidates could be TG, KE, CI, ANA? and any airline with a reasonab
50 United Airline : I suppose most if not all B 747-400 operators are potential B 747 Advanced operators. Hope they will replace their B 747-400s with B 747 Advanced on a
51 Post contains images Iowa744fan : I don't know if you have any French people in Iowa but if you do I'd advise a certain caution before you call the CFM56 a GE engine! PM, LOL. You are
52 Zone1 : It would be nice but if they operate the A380, they probably won't need as many 747s as before. The 747Adv might fly to the cities that the A380 just
53 Gigneil : You could call it the CFMI CFM56. N
54 United Airline : Well they can use the B 747 Advanced for expansion.
55 AA777 : I think the 747 ADV would actually be better, as many have said, it will be able to go to more places since it is not going to be sickeningly large li
56 Post contains images Aerobalance : I hope WN replaces there 733 with the 747 Adv.................
57 United Airline : well operating a few B 747 Advanced won't be economical so they better place large orders WN operating B 747 Advanced? THAT WOULD BE COOL!
58 QFA001 : Thanks for being patient everyone. I still don't have all 12 airlines, but I can tell you that CI and TG are on the list of airlines approached. So,
59 SNATH : Hey QFA001, I personally totally understand about your reluctance of revealing your sources, so don't worry about it. I have a couple of related quest
60 Post contains images QFA001 : Thank you, sir. I do realise that source revelation is a bone of contention at this forum so your support is well received. You did. Both the passeng
61 N1120A : The main problem the A380 will have in the second hand market is that most second hand large freighter operators (747s mainly) are looking for weight
62 SNATH : QFA001 and N1120A, Thanks for your replies! Very interesting. AHA! It all makes sense now. Yeah, it's no surprise that both FedEx and UPS rushed to or
63 Atmx2000 : UPS didn't exactly rush to order the A380F, probably because it doesn't fit their needs as much as it does FedEx's. But by ordering the A380F they got
64 CX747 : It is good to see that my name stake has a good chance of living on past the current 747-400 fleet! Hearing that CX has ordered the 747Adv and 777-300
65 BuckFifty : Until Boeing finally puts pen to paper on a new 747Adv, that ''journalist'' is blowing hot air, along with the 773ER order. On the other hand, unoffic
66 N1120A : UPS has been mentioned at the forefront of 777LRF customers as well because, even though they have tried to crack FedEx's package market dominance, t
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